Marijuana Nation - Documentary

[Fumado]

Originally Posted by obiwannatokie

I saw half of it and the lack of objectivity started to make my blood boil so I don't know if I will be finishing it...

Obiwan,

I'm in my 50's so maybe my perspective is different than yours, but I think that their portrayal of the consumers as regular people overshadows the negatives you mention. I think you should finish watching it.

Of course this is from memory, and maybe I remembered only the good/interesting stuff...

[obiwannatokie]

Originally Posted by Fumado

Obiwan,

I'm in my 50's so maybe my perspective is different than yours, but I think that their portrayal of the consumers as regular people overshadows the negatives you mention. I think you should finish watching it.

Of course this is from memory, and maybe I remembered only the good/interesting stuff...

That makes me 30 years younger than you, in my experience people in your generation have been even more pessimistic and cynical than me on this subject. I have been told by them that they expected cannabis to be decriminalized/legal by the end of the 1970s and now they believe they will not live to see the day when it does happen. When I replied that I was pretty sure that I would see that day in my lifetime I was called an optimist.

I did end up watching a lot more but I still stand by my earlier comments, though I have to admit it was good to hear some of our side in a mainstream documentary but I doubt this doc. is going to change anyone's opinions on to our side.

[HappyKitty]

I've been smoking longer than you've been born, and I think "them" have just lived a few decades longer, and have seen and experienced more.

So maybe being cynical comes with age. In the 70's we thought legalization was just around the corner, and here we sit. Keep in mind that is usually "them" that have the guts to speak out at all. Why is that?
And that's exactly why 420 is here, to spread cannabis awareness throughout the world. We will see it legalized, but how far away are we from that right now?

Many of us have lived our lives under the scrutiny of our government and others around us. So maybe just being longer in the tooth makes us see things more clearly. Please don't group an entire generation into pessimists. I'm an optimist, but I'm a realist too.

So if you want to show "them" just what you can do...then please do. "We" can use all the help we can get.
Now where's my cane...
Peace and clarity

[Fumado]

Originally Posted by obiwannatokie

That makes me 30 years younger than you, in my experience people in your generation have been even more pessimistic and cynical than me on this subject.

Obiwan, like HappyKitty, I too am an optimist. Everything takes time, especially when it comes to changing laws and minds. The US is a puritanical backward country when it comes to moving forward on anything, especially something controversial. Canada has gay marriage and they've decriminalized marijuana posession (someone correct me if I'm wrong). In California they HAD gay marriage, but the Mormons spent millions of dollars and scared people to have it voted down.

In Washington DC, the citizens voted for medical marijuana several years ago, but the Republican majority in congress wouldn't even allow the city to count the votes. Imagine that, citizens of this country gathering signatures to get something on the ballot, holding an election, only to have the evil overloards nullifying the democratic process. I'll bet a good number of those in congress who voted with the majority smoke weed all the time.

But, I'm still optimistic, because we have a new President, and attitudes are changing. It will never be fast enough for you or me, but we have to all keep working on it...especially by voting out all the hypocrites and the religious zealots who's only goal is to stop progress at every turn.

[soapbox /off]

[obiwannatokie]

I did everything in my power to defeat prop. 8 but when the opposing side has millions of dollars invested in a statewide propaganda campaign there is little that you can do. A 55% majority opposition to Prop. 8 became a 48% minority opposition after months of televised propaganda. I lost some faith in the human race after that election.

Prop. 5 a expansion of an already successful drug reform legislation got shot down as well that day after the prison guards union invested two and a half million into their propaganda campaign. Waking up that day to the results of prop. 5 & 8 made me die a little inside.

[Dr. 215]

Originally Posted by JohnDoeHoe22

First off marijuana was going to be decriminalized in the 70's by Jimmy Carter. Then at that time there was a huge increase on drug flow into America, the real hard drugs though like H and C, people were dying. So there was no way President Carter could do this at that point and instead increased penalties on marijuana and all illegal drugs.

I think you are mistaken. Carter was killed before he could decriminalize and or legalize. He never got the chance... He didn't just change his mind.

[obiwannatokie]

Originally Posted by Dr. 215

I think you are mistaken. Carter was killed before he could decriminalize and or legalize. He never got the chance... He didn't just change his mind.

Dude, Carter is still alive today, there is a picture of him with Obama. Or do you mean killed, figuratively?