Back in the game finally.

[greenisland]

You know you really probably dont need to be misting them if your humidity is that high. I meen misting them with high humidity is just asking for trouble. Do you have any oscillating fans? The fans would be a very good investment if you dont. Also I would probably take off some of the lower branches since they arent going to really produce much usable product anyways, and they will give a boost to the flowers on the top of the plant that really needs them. Fresh air is a MUST though. And if you arent feeding them foliarly I would stop the misting routine. Misting is good for clones and baby plants when they have small or non-existant root systems and they cant absorb the water any other way. Misting plants at this period of growth is really never done unless your giving them flower boosters or something like that. But even if your doing that, I wouldnt be doing it with humidity that high, and especially if theres no fan. Oh and get that PH down to like 5.8-6.2 or so, 7+ PH is way to high. Im curious how often do you flood the reservoir? And how often do you change the nutes in the reservoir? Stick with me and well get these plants finished and finished right, and hopefully resolve this "burning" issue fast so as not to stunt their growth any more. You got most the necessities beside air movement and fresh air, the rest is there to produce some nice buds, so lets work on getting you some good smoke. Oh and the temp, whats the temp? And born to run was quoting PH values for a soil grow, not hydro, so you will want to be just a little lower than he stated on PH values. I mean they will grow in this PH range but its optimal to get it where I said earlier. And as long as the nutes are in the reservoir you really dont need the foliar feeding right now, but if you really want to foliar feed and your dead set on it, make sure you use purified water(if possible) and make sure the nutes are at 10% strength so as not to burn the leaves any more. And do it in the morning so the water has time to evap off, at night the water could sit in the buds for hours, and cause rot and/or mold, not good. Best of luck man!

[PitViper]

Stop foliar feeding them. Ive never foliar fed my plants and never will, I have a hard enuf time keeping my RH down anyway. start at 5.5 PH and let it cycle thu its range up to 6.2 or so. you shouldnt need to adjust ph much if your system is tight.

[tronix]

lol, as I've stated in previous responses, my humidity isn't as high as it appears in the pictures, I took the photo immediately after foliar feeding them, my girls are never damp from moisture, nor are the walls or anything else...I'm dropping some new updated pics, that I took before, misting them..


an up close shot of one of the many top buds

Slightly farther back, and as you can see, there is no condensation build up from humidity

An over all pic, showing the growth of the last week.

this is a close up on the left plants top buds, I suspect this one is sativa dominated, and the flowering period, will be atleast a month longer than the right, more Indica dominated plant


I do have fans, in fact you can almost see one of them in the third picture on the floor facing up, and my P.H. sits right at 6.8 to 7.0 which has worked well for me in the past.
I have a touch of nute burn, because I started experimenting with my PPM, I tried to jump it up to around 1100, when I had been going at 950 with good results, now I know better and have dropped it back down to 950ppm..lesson learned, minimal damage

No offense Greenisland, because I really value any and all input, but this isn't my first grow, I'll get these babies through, but being that this is bag seed, and more of an experimental grow, before diving off into the choice strains, I'm more looking to try various things, I wouldn't do when I have a $25 seed, I'm trying not to kill. lol I appreciate your advice, but humidity and PH so far hasn't been an issue, come harvesting time, I am putting a dehumidifier in the room to combat the natural summer time humidity of this state..

I run my irrigation every 3 hours, 20 minutes at a time.
I should get rid of the lower branches, but I was thinking when it comes time to take a sample bud, I'll use those instead of clipping one of the better buds, before it's ready..if I must take one premature to test it out, it may as well be one that isn't going to amount to much anyway.

I'd say about 25-20% of the pistils have changed, I don't have a magnifying glass to look at the trychs, to double check it, but I believe I have about 2.5 maybe 3 weeks left for the right plant, god only knows when the left will catch up..on that subject anyone got any opinions as to why the left plant is flowering so much slower? I think it's a Sativa dominated plant..but I could be wrong.

[tronix]

Originally Posted by PitViper

Stop foliar feeding them. Ive never foliar fed my plants and never will, I have a hard enuf time keeping my RH down anyway. start at 5.5 PH and let it cycle thu its range up to 6.2 or so. you shouldnt need to adjust ph much if your system is tight.

I didn't do it with my NYC Diesel grow, but I wanted to try it for this grow because it was just bag seed and wasn't costing me anything if I screw up, I've heard good results with it, so long as you don't go overboard late in the flowering stage, and I've already backed off to just one Foliar feeding every other day or so.. My PH is right within range, and even if it fluctuates for some reason, I got PH up and PH down to take care of that.

[tronix]

someone earlier had a question about my set up. here's some pics I took, a couple of years ago, when I first built it, I took pics without plants..





(I also added, a couple of pics from my first grow (NYC diesel) :)

they ended up being males. :(
look how bushy and dense they are, my god these beasts would have produced a sick amount of bud, had they been females.

[obxgardener]

Nice set up Tronix - I'm battling humidity issues too - but I think you'll be fine with the fans.

Interesting with the PH levels - seems kinda high for hydro, but can't argue with results.

+rep - I'll stick around to see how this one turn out!

[tronix]

thanks obx, I'll try to lower the PH some next grow and see what happens, I'm all for experimentation. :D

[smokinthe719]

damn looks good man thought id check out your grow

[tronix]

Originally Posted by smokinthe719

damn looks good man thought id check out your grow

I appreciate ya..thanks!

[greenisland]

So I know that you "can" grow plants in 7.0PH but the plants definitely would rather a lower PH value of 6. They will thank you for it I promise. When the PH gets too high you will have issues with nute burn type looking problems from nutrient lockout. Dont get me wrong they will survive, but they would rather be in a lower PH for sure, and when its as easy as adding some PH down why not give it to them... yeah? Atleast thats just my opinion, but if this is like you said an experimental grow and you just want to see how high the PH can go before they start "hurting" then I understand that. Actually I used to grow around ph7 until I "figured it out" and brought them down...They like it a whole lot more, let me tell ya, and Ive havent had my PH that high for abt 9 yrs now because of that. I will add that since it seems like your determined to keep foliar feeding you should be ok with those plants just because they are thin enough that I think they will dry out before it does any real damage like creating mold/rot etc. But i would keep a close eye on it. And Im sorry if I sounded like I was talking to someone whos only got one grow under them. I was pretty certain it wasnt your first grow because most peoples first grows arent quite as elaborate as yours. And if you didnt have an idea of what you were doing they would probably already be dead, lol. Overall they look good for some bagseed. And yes the chances are very likely that the one on left is a Sativa hybrid and the other is more Indica dominant variety so thats why their growing at different rates. Of course without actually knowing the genetics or seeing them in person its all speculation. I did read what you said about the misting and it looking more humid than it is, I was basing my idea of the RH in the room on what you wrote earlier about Florida having 90-100% humidity and was guessing it was somewhere around 80+ which is still extremely high but doable for some strains, like Hawaiian etc. Just out of curiousity where did you pick up that reflector and ballast? Ive never seen such a set...interesting, It looks like its electronic but its the size of a magnetic core ballast, very intersting... do you know the brand name? I know its just a test crop and all but just an idea for next time is that maybe you could also trim the tops to a more flat overall position, that way you can get the light as close as possible (without burning) and reach as many budding sights as possible. It should result in a very much increased yield for you on your next non-experimental grow if you like. Anyhow they look healthy enough to me to produce some decent smoke... heres to hoping you enjoy it! Ill be watching your journal man, keep up the good work. And sorry if I come across so critical, I really just want to help, sorry if I offended you in any way, it was not my intention at all.

[smokinthe719]

my ph with water is at 7.3 and ph with food water mix is 6.3 is that ok?

[WeedRyder]

good information greenisland

[tronix]

Originally Posted by greenisland

So I know that you "can" grow plants in 7.0PH but the plants definitely would rather a lower PH value of 6. They will thank you for it I promise. When the PH gets too high you will have issues with nute burn type looking problems from nutrient lockout. Dont get me wrong they will survive, but they would rather be in a lower PH for sure, and when its as easy as adding some PH down why not give it to them... yeah? Atleast thats just my opinion, but if this is like you said an experimental grow and you just want to see how high the PH can go before they start "hurting" then I understand that. Actually I used to grow around ph7 until I "figured it out" and brought them down...They like it a whole lot more, let me tell ya, and Ive havent had my PH that high for abt 9 yrs now because of that. I will add that since it seems like your determined to keep foliar feeding you should be ok with those plants just because they are thin enough that I think they will dry out before it does any real damage like crating mold/rot etc. but i would keep a close eye on it. And Im sorry if I sounded like I was talking to someone whos only got one grow under them. I was pretty certain it wasnt your first grow because most peoples first grows are quite as elaborate as yours. And if you didnt have an idea of what you were doing they would probably already be dead, lol. Overall they look good for some bagseed. And yes the chances are very likely that the one on left is a Sativa hybrid and the other is more Indica dominant variety so thats why their growing at different rates. Of course without actually knowing the genetics or seeing them in person its all speculation. I did read what you said about the misting and it looking more humid than it is, I was basing my idea of the RH in the room on what you wrote earlier about Florida having 90-100% humidity and was guessing it was somewhere around 80+ which is still extremely high but doable for some strains, like Hawaiian etc. Just out of curiousity where did you pick up that reflector and ballast? Ive never seen such a set...interesting, It looks like its electronic but its the size of a magnetic core ballast, very intersting... do you know the brand name? I know its just a test crop and all but just an idea for next time is that maybe you could also trim the tops to a more flat overall position, that way you can get the light as close as possible (without burning) and reach as many budding sights as possible. It should result in a very much increased yield for you on your next non-experimental grow if you like. Anyhow they look healthy enough to me to produce some decent smoke... heres to hoping you enjoy it! Ill be watching your journal man, keep up the good work. And sorry if I come across so critical, I really just want to help, sorry if I offended you in any way, it was not my intention at all.

no sir, no offense taken at all

I understand, you never know on this site, who has what experience, and I'm no pro, and I've certainly never turned out pretty ladies, like you have, I have educated myself, thoroughly, I try not to go into anything half cocked, as they say. I just wanted you to know, I am keeping an eye on my Ph, I wasn't trying to push the limits, on it to be honest, I've read various suggestions, which ranged from 6.0 to 7.5 In my Diesel grow, I kept it right at 6.5 religiously, but in this grow, I've been lax about it, and it didn't seem to be effecting the plants much, so I haven't been real diligent about it. but rest assured, the next grow, I will be much tighter, because whatever I grow, will be worthy of constant attention..I'll certainly lower the Ph, tho and give it try, I learn something new everyday, this is just one of a few every time, I come here.
I'm working on getting a dehumidifier, but they aren't cheap, I should have another 2.5 maybe 3 weeks before, the right plant will be ready for harvest, and at that, I'm only expecting maybe 2..3 oz. at the most, so I can more than likely hide them in my garage somewhere to dry, and it's much drier in there, if I must. The left plant will take alittle longer, so maybe I'll have the dehumidifier by then.

I'm sorry if I sounded, stuck up and unappreciative, I'm not, and want every bit of knowledge you can give me, my end goal is to have what you and a few others have around here, growing is becoming a passion of mine, it suits me.

[greenisland]

It suits me too Tronix. I love growing, whether its MJ or Basil or tomatoes, I like growing it all. MJ is quickly becoming a favorite of mine to grow though, and a big reason for that is this site! everyone is so helpfull and happy it makes it that much sweeter to grow and discuss growing with everyone here. And just a word on dehumidifiers if I may. Dehumidifiers ARE expensive and take a LOT of electricity. In fact Dehumidifiers cost about as much as an AC unit does, and uses approximetally the same amount of power too. In my experiences it has always been a better option to get the AC instead of a dehumidifier. I actually have a very nice dehumidifier (a delonghi, energystar rated and all) cost me about $350 and now I dont even use it because of a number of reasons. One is electric cost, it sucks more electricity than a 1000watt HID (for a medium to large sized unit) in most cases. Second IT CREATES HEAT...I did not know this when I originally purchased the dehumidifier. Whith the increased heat comes increased transpiration and humidity. Now it DOES lower the humidity but its fighting itself in a lot of ways because it creates so much heat (same heat that gets blown out of the back of an AC, since the technologies are closely related to one another). What I use now is an AC unit and it works a lot better. It takes abt the same amount of electricity but for that elctricity drawn you get a lot more. For example you get cool air which should be very good for your plants in hot and humid Florida, and second it lowers the humidity almost as good as the dehumidifier does. You should be able to get your humidity down to around 30-50% with a decent window air conditioner. And if your worried about the smell you can buy a stand alone unit that runs 5" duct out of the house and hook a filter up to it. (odorsok should be fine since it shouldnt smell too bad). Humidifiers do work but in my experiences Air Conditioners do the same job, and cool down the room for the same price. People may argue with me on this one but Ive tried using the dehumidifier in a number of room and it always turns out that the better option is to just run an AC. And Ive tried using it everywhere cause I dont want to feel like I wasted my money on something I'll never use, but its still sitting in the garage now a yr and a half later after its been tried to have been used in 3 gardens, none with any real good success...well not compared next to an AC unit. Hope that is a little informative for you, and maybe it gives you some more things to think about before you drop a lot of dough on a dehumidifier like I did. nice journal though, Ill be keeping my eye on it!

[dez97candycl]

i wish my lady was probing the wind for powder like this beauty...


mine looks more like the sativa dom.on the left...

either way they both look great... +rep