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    Can you clone from Auto Flowering plants?

    i am gearing up for my first grow and picked up some Easy Rider AKA Lowryder #2 x AK47 from attitude and was wondering if these would be difficult to clone?
    i have been researching the topic and was getting conflicting reports. some people were having poor results while others were getting favorable results from attempting to clone from auto plants. i have 5 seeds germinating as we speak. can some one point me towards the right information?
    i will be starting my grow journal as soon as the process is under way. i am just finishing the build on my cabinet...

    thanks for the help.

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    Re: can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    Heres what I did...Bought 20 AK47 seeds.germinated 10 .Kept 10 in reserve.once started at 10 days I cloned the tops.plants went into mild shock.5 days later took another cutting of each plant..5days later took final cutting of each plant..Mild stress..of my 10 original plants and 30 clones 2 died..I didnt use clonex powder or gell..I used pure Manuka honey to dip cuttings..The ones that died were clones...had good returns and will repeat the process...As a matter of fact will be doing the same this weekend..

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    Re: can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    true autoflower strains dont clone. they're seed only, as thats how they get their veg time. auto flowers under veg lighting dont revert to veg.

    thats why seedbanks love 'em.
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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    Have you ever had a young female plant just coming into bud,that youve taken clones from?...Well the same thing goes with autoflowering plants jist the times are different..You start taking cuttings from the little mother when its only 10 days old..Only bad thing is a little stress,and the chance one`or two may die..

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    yes i have.

    if the AF you clone is 10 day into veg,the clone will also be 10 days into veg.(plus the time it takes to root.) so now you have a tiny rooted AF thats ~20 days old and starts to bud at the same time as the plant the cutting came from. to me thats not a viable cloning program.
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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    Snowbender yer right.Yer never going to get the results from an auto flower that your gonna get from say a F1 seed...Only thing Im saying is that its possible to do and if you only grow for your own needs its not a big issue either..Also its nice and handy for limited space growing..Auto's are little plants and little return by comparison to a F1 plant...Peace.

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    The other reason seed banks love them is that the auto-flowering trait is recessive, so F2 seeds won't auto reliably.

    It's takes a few generations of selection and/or back-crossing to stabilize.

    But, it's all good, the more choices, the better.

    autos are fun. You can grow them in lots of places, especially since light leaks aren't a problem.

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    yes you can clone from autoflowering seeds... I am on my third generation of auto-bubblicious from Nirvana seeds. they are going great!
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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    Logically, if they are true autos (flower without a change in lighting) then a perpetual cloning wouldn't be possible.

    You clone, say after it is 10 days old. The clone is 10 days old. By the time it gets roots and starts growing, it is 20 days old, just like it's mother, but the mother is much larger. If you want for the clone to be clonable, and take a clone, that clone is like what 30 days old? So wouldn't it be ready to harvest in another 30 days? 10 of those days are used to get roots enough to start growing. If you tried to clone for it ...

    It seems like it shouldn't work.

    Unless autos don't flower by genetic age, but by how long they are exposed to light, or size or something. If that is the case, then the fact the first generation clones are 20 days old once they have a good root system, wouldn't matter. They wouldn't start flowering until they reached the proper size, or were under light for the proper amount of time, and thus wouldn't be harvestable when the mother was, but 10-20 days later, and thus the second generation of clones, though 30 days old genetically, wouldn't be harvestable until 10-20 days after the first generation of clones, and etc.

    The only way to find out is to expirment with it, which is what I plan to do with my autos. If it turns out that you cannot have a perpetual clone, then I will most likely keep buying seeds, or find a regular strain that goes from clone to harvest in about 60-70 days.

    My goal is to harvest every two weeks.

    Two plants planted, cloned when they are two weeks old, then those clones cloned when they are two weeks old, and then those clones cloned when they are two week old, etc. So that every two weeks, two plants are harvested.

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    Yeah I am popping some AKR beans right now I am going to be trying it out, from what I have read specifically on afghan kush ryder everyone has had success cloning it so I am pretty psyched about that I have heard some interesting theories about how autos flower not really sure what to believe now :p

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    Quote Originally Posted by LEDRF View Post
    Logically, if they are true autos (flower without a change in lighting) then a perpetual cloning wouldn't be possible.

    You clone, say after it is 10 days old. The clone is 10 days old. By the time it gets roots and starts growing, it is 20 days old, just like it's mother, but the mother is much larger. If you want for the clone to be clonable, and take a clone, that clone is like what 30 days old? So wouldn't it be ready to harvest in another 30 days? 10 of those days are used to get roots enough to start growing. If you tried to clone for it ...

    It seems like it shouldn't work.

    Unless autos don't flower by genetic age, but by how long they are exposed to light, or size or something. If that is the case, then the fact the first generation clones are 20 days old once they have a good root system, wouldn't matter. They wouldn't start flowering until they reached the proper size, or were under light for the proper amount of time, and thus wouldn't be harvestable when the mother was, but 10-20 days later, and thus the second generation of clones, though 30 days old genetically, wouldn't be harvestable until 10-20 days after the first generation of clones, and etc.

    The only way to find out is to expirment with it, which is what I plan to do with my autos. If it turns out that you cannot have a perpetual clone, then I will most likely keep buying seeds, or find a regular strain that goes from clone to harvest in about 60-70 days.

    My goal is to harvest every two weeks.

    Two plants planted, cloned when they are two weeks old, then those clones cloned when they are two weeks old, and then those clones cloned when they are two week old, etc. So that every two weeks, two plants are harvested.
    Try growing autos with your regular plants, say 2 regs and 4 autos, when you harvest the regular girls you just change the lights to 12/12 or you could do it earlier before you harvest but thats not really necessary


    this allows the regular gals to get huge in flowering so you would yield a large amount of bud

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    I have cloned Auto's. It can be done. But. What I ended up with ( and it could just be me ) Was a bunch of mini bud plants that had trichs showing harvest time though not much density or size to the buds. When I leave the plant alone I get a 26" tall plant with Huge dense colas on every branch. In the end, Cloning can be done but my tests have shown that you can have a bunch of tiny plants with small buds when the trichs are ready or you can have 10x as much by leaving the plant alone. *Just my findings* Many on here will have different results. Good luck in any grow that works for You !

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    Re: Can you clone from Auto Flowering plants?

    back in the 60/70's We found out one could clone.Like Mom and eveyones mother did.Ferns Wandering Jews,,,ect.But cloning didn't work!!!!You clone ahealthy branch/bud only to get little buds(good,potent exactly like the donor plant but small.Too small to make it worth it.
    Then we found out about the veg stage and 20 hour light versus 12 hour light which led to mother plants and clones (big big clones with big big buds)and even as little as 15 min light will cause a 12 hour photo-period flowering plant to revert back to the veg.state.I have seen a thread of a lowryder(1) (whose main cola has another single branch) which was turmed male,which pollinated the cola and the grower got seed.
    If one could clone a single branch AND make it an male.Then however small the male flower would be as long as it's pollen was fertile then cloning autoflowers (as males )would isolate the male and show you female traits.Each generation provides 1/4 of the traits.


    Perfect female + male + 3/4 female + 1/4 male
    Seeds from that + (same male pollen) = 1/2 female = 1/2 male

    again & again until you have breed four generations of female with the same male to get a true strain.
    so cross a wiliams wonder with a C.ruderalis and get a Lowryder.Cross something else and get a Lowryder 2 Cross a Lowryder ! and Lowryder @ "accidently" with a mazar (or something else I don't remember off hand) and get betty boop

    As far as quality amd quantity cloning,autoflowers are not economical.Yet may have benefits as far as crossing/breeding and insuring a stable male.Which if produced from a feale should produce "feminized" seeds.

    Of course like"all of us"this is only what I've gleened and researched.Feel free to correct,dispute,disregard or otherwise add or improve any info.which I have wrote,to provde us with more up to date research & hopefully facts.
    We are all here to help each other to learn,improve and to grow.

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    Re: Can you clone from Auto Flowering plants?

    OPPS It was suppose to say:

    Perfect female + perfect male = (equals) 3/4 female & 1/4 male

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    Re: Can you clone from auto flowering plants?

    I call shenanigans.

    Impossible to clone a female plant have the clone turn male.

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    I hate to be a dick, but don't spread misinformation.

    Also, the bit about an AF reverting to veg is false. It doesn't happen. YOU CANNOT REVERT AN AF TO VEG.

    You also cannot clone an AF and revert the AF to beginning veg. It doesn't work. At best, the clone will take an extra two or three weeks to get half the size of the mother. Then, the mother spends a week repairing the cut sight.

    Also, if you switch an AF from 20/4 or 24/0 schedule to 15 minutes a day to shock revert to veg stage... all that's going to happen is your clone will lighten up, stretch out and fall the fuck over.

    Honestly, I don't mean to get angry but if you don't have hands on experience don't go telling people to clone their AF's (Or do something similarly detrimental). You're messing with people's harvests and that's not cool.
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