CFL closet

[eBUD]

Sry about the balls, thats no fun. Practice cloning with it if your going to kill him. No reason for wasting a plant. :D Or maby you could bud tehm and keep the pollon n cross bredd your own plants for some fem seeds. later

[rastaherbman]

Burp....... A small update to my grow so far........ I pulled 9 males, so far that leaves me with 8 females 1 hermie suspect and a mother to get things going for the future grows.
Kinda wasn't expecting this many ladies to emerge TBH








The glowing closet





And last but not least my future cloning to the left and mother cab to the right

[squint2focus]

That's quite a harem you've got there :D More closeup shots, pretty please? Lookin good!

[sportsman9987]

Dam that sure is alot of CFLS. Any chance uv calculated how many watts/lumens ur using and what that will cost u per month?

[Racefan]

Originally Posted by rastaherbman

I kept them 1-2 inches away during the preflower stage. I had them like like 2-3 inches during seedling also for the first 2 weeks, which may have stunted them a bit.

Nope Ebud the one I'm talking about was in a book and pretty sure it was the MJ grow bible or a HT article. Me being stoned awwwing over my babies and reading that. I lost track of thought and now I can find it to save my life. Maybe I was dreaming though

PS I havent seen the FF nute table yet. I don't use alot of FF nutes yet but I found a place near home that carries and will order on call all year long

Drop the lights back down. the closer the better. the stretchy growth your lookng for isn't good growth. it spaces the internodes further apart making for smaller buds due to them being so far apart. for the bigger single buds tight internodes are required. Especially with floros.

[rastaherbman]

Originally Posted by sportsman9987

Dam that sure is alot of CFLS. Any chance uv calculated how many watts/lumens ur using and what that will cost u per month?

Nope I pretty much converted my house light usage to cfl's and keep a close eye on unnecessary light usage. I'm using 22 23w, 2 43w and 1 30w a total of 622w I think im in the clear for that room. Plus its winter and more energy is consumed during this time.

Hell yeah Squint...

Thanks racefan for the info... I keep them pretty close now no less then a inch until I see signs of burning which I check for twice a day.
Damn do they look that stretchy though? How else do I get that one big Donkey D style bud lol

[Cherma]

8 maids a milking, is better than nine males trying to. do you find that when starting from seeds that usually it is approximately a 50/50 ratio? Glad to see the clone chamber being set up.

[rastaherbman]

Ok dudes I caught 3 hermies in the group now. What shall I do?

This leaves room for the others to flourish. But.........
I was going to destroy them; thought about how purty they look atm and was debating on keeping them in a separate room to mature..... Or is it a waste of time.......

[sportsman9987]

I was just curios, how do u determine what hermies look like? U can see both male and female internodes or whatever its called?

[neno83]

wow your good if you can determine that without seeing both sexes...what strain is it?

[Dr. 215]

Originally Posted by rastaherbman

Ok dudes I caught 3 hermies in the group now. What shall I do?

This leaves room for the others to flourish. But.........
I was going to destroy them; thought about how purty they look atm and was debating on keeping them in a separate room to mature..... Or is it a waste of time.......

Well i know my house could use some more house plants just hangin around. Why not just put some hermies around the house and make sure you pull sacs. I think Cannabis makes great house plants.

[in_pot_we_trust]

rasta, lovely looking plants man, hope u get some grade a smoke off it. Just wanted to say a couple of things.First, to the ppl that try to get cfl users to go h.i.d, shame on you all. cfls are a cheap and inexpensive way to grow some great buds, sure you'll need more watts to get the same yeild, however you would also need a bigger fan to cool off that h.i.d bulb even if it is remote ballast, so all in all its about the same wattage. Secondly, nice amount of cfls your using, but if placed too closely they'll block out each other, leaving them not as effective.Also try to get them bulbs as close to the plant as possible, within an inch preferably since cfls dont have as much penetration as an h.i.d, and put a fan near the tops of the plants to disperse the heat.As for the organic part, organics are free and all around you if you look hard enough. Making your own ferts maybe more time consuming than buying a bottle of this or that, but you can customize how much n-p-k they recieve at a given time, and its basically free. The only problem with making your own organic solution is that it gets messy, but over time you'll see it is better than any store bought fert. i've seen organic growers pull 2-3 grams dried/cured by making their own soils and solutions.Anyways sorry for the rant but I'll leave you with a bit of info on organic values and simple mixes.

here's a list of material for composting etc / with NPK values.
Material Nitrogen Phosphoric acid Potash
Alfalfa hay 2.45 0.5 2.1
Apple fruit 0.05 0.02 0.1
Apple leaves 1 0.15 0.35
Apple pomace 0.2 0.02 0.15
Apple skin (ash) - 3.08 11.74
Banana skin (ash) - 3.25 41.76
Banana stalk (ash) - 2.34 49.4
Barley (grain) 1.75 0.75 0.5
Bat guano 6 9 -
Bean and pod 0.25 0.08 0.3
Beet waste 0.4 0.4 3
Beet waste (root) 0.25 0.1 0.5
Blood meal 15 1.3 0.7
Bone meal 4 21 0.2
Bone (ground and burned) - 34.7 -
Brewer's grains (wet) 0.9 0.5 0.05
Brigham tea (ash) - - 5.94
Cantaloupe rind (ash) - 9.77 12.21
Castor bean pomace 5.5 2.25 1.13
Cattail reed & water lilly 2.02 0.81 3.43
Cattail seed 0.98 0.39 1.71
Chicken manure 1.63 1.54 0.85
Coal ash (anthracite) - 0.125 0.125
Coal ash (bituminous) - 0.45 0.45
Cocoa shell dust 1.04 1.49 2.71
Coffee grounds 2.08 0.32 0.28
Coffee grounds (dried) 1.99 0.36 0.67
Corn (grain) 1.65 0.65 0.4
Corn (green forage) 0.3 0.13 0.33
Corncob (ground, charred) - - 2.01
Corncob (ash) - - 50
Cotton seed 3.15 1.25 1.15
Cottonseed meal 7 2.5 1.5
Cottonseed-hull (ash) - 8.7 23.93
Cotton waste 1.32 0.45 0.36
Cow manure (fresh) 0.29 0.17 0.1
Cowpea, green forage 0.45 0.12 0.45
Cowpes, seed 3.1 1 1.2
Crab (common) 1.95 3.6 0.2
Crab (king, dried and ground) 10 0.25 0.06
Crab (king, fresh) 2.3 - -
Crabgrass 0.66 0.19 0.71
Cucumber skin (ash) - 11.28 27.2
Dog manure (fresh) 1.97 9.95 0.3
Duck manure (fresh) 1.12 1.44 0.49
Egg 2.25 0.4 0.15
Eggshell (burned) - 0.43 0.29
Eggshell 1.19 0.38 0.14
Feather 15.3 - -
Felt hat factory waste 3.8 - 0.98
Field bean (seed) 4 1.2 1.3
Field bean (shell) 1.7 0.3 1.3
Fish scrap (red snapper) 7.76 13 0.38
Fish scrap (fresh) 6.5 3.75 -
Greasewood (ash) - - 12.61
Gluten feed 4.5 - -
Greensand - 1.5 5
Grape leaves 0.45 0.1 0.35
Grapes (fruit) 0.15 0.07 0.3
Grapefruit skin (ash) - 3.58 30.6
Hair 14 - -
Hare and rabbit waste 7 2.4 0.6
Hoof meal and horn dust 12.5 1.75 -
Horse manure (fresh) 0.44 0.17 0.35
Incinerator ash 0.24 5.15 2.33
Jellyfish (dried) 4.6 - -
Leather (acidulated) 7.5 - -
Leather (ground) 11 - -
Leather (ash) - 2.16 0.35
Lemon cull 0.15 0.06 0.26
Lemon skin - 6.3 31
Lobster (refuse) 4.5 3.5 -
Lobster (shell) 4.6 3.52 -
Milk 0.5 0.3 0.18
Mud (fresh water) 1.37 0.26 0.22
Mud (harbour) 0.99 0.77 0.05
Mussel 0.9 0.12 0.13
Mussel mud (dried) 0.72 0.35 -
Molasses residue (brewing) 0.7 - 5.32
Moss 0.6 0.1 0.55
Oak leaf 0.8 0.35 0.15
Oats grain 2 0.8 0.6
Olive pomace 1.15 0.78 1.26
Olive refuse 1.22 0.18 0.32
Orange cull 0.2 0.13 0.21
Orange skin (ash) - 2.9 27
Oyster shell 0.36 10.38 0.09
Paint processing waste 0.02 39.5 -
Pea pod (ash) - 1.79 9
Peach leaf 0.9 0.15 0.6
Peanut (seed & kernel) 3.6 0.7 4.5
Peanut shell 0.8 0.15 0.5
Peanut shell (ash) - 1.23 6.45
Pigeon manure (fresh) 4.19 2.24 1.41
Pig manue (fresh) 0.6 0.41 0.13
Pigweed (rough) 0.6 0.16 -
Pine needle 0.46 0.12 0.03
Potato (tuber) 0.35 0.15 0.5
Potato (leaf and stalk) 0.6 0.15 0.45
Potato skin (ash) - 5.18 27.5
Poudrette 1.46 3.68 0.48
Powderworks waste 2.5 - 17
Prune refuse 0.18 0.7 0.31
Pumpkin (fresh) 0.16 0.07 0.26
Pumpkin seed 0.87 0.5 0.45
Rabbit brush (ash) - - 13.04
Ragweed 0.76 0.26 -
Redtop hay 1.2 0.35 1
Rhubarb stem 0.1 0.04 0.35
Rockweed 1.9 0.25 3.68
Rose (flower) 0.3 0.1 0.4
Salt-marsh hay 1.1 0.25 0.75
Salt mud 0.4 - -
Sardine scrap 7.97 7.11 -
Seawood 1.68 0.75 4.93
Sheep manure (fresh) 0.55 0.31 0.15
Shoddy and felt 8 - -
Shrimp head (dried) 7.82 4.2 -
Shrimp waste 2.87 9.95 -
Silt waste 9.5 - -
Silk mill waste 8.37 1.14 0.12
Silk worm cocoon 9.42 1.82 1.08
Sludge 2 1.9 0.3
Sludge (activated) 5 3.25 0.6
Sludge from sewer beds 0.74 0.33 0.24
Soot from chimney fllue 5.25 1.05 0.35
Starfish 1.8 0.2 0.25
Sunflower seed 2.25 1.25 0.79
Sugar (raw, residue) 1.14 8.33 -
Sweet potato skins (ash) - 3.29 13.89
Sweet potato 0.25 0.1 0.5
Tanbark (ash) - 0.34 3.8
Tanbark ash (spent) - 1.75 2
Tankage 6 5 -
Tea grounds 4.15 0.62 0.4
Tea leaves (ash) - 1.6 0.44
Timothy hay 1.25 0.55 1
Tobacco leaves 4 0.5 6
Tobacco stalk 3.7 0.65 4.5
Tobacco stem 2.5 0.9 7
Tomato fruit 0.2 0.07 0.35
Tomato leaves 0.35 0.1 0.4
Tomato stalk 0.35 0.1 0.5
Wheat, bran 2.65 2.9 1.6
Wheat grain 2 0.85 0.5
Wheat straw 0.5 0.15 0.6
White clover (green) 0.5 0.2 0.3
White sage (ash) - - 13.77
Wood ash (leached) - 1.25 2
Wood ash (unleached) - 1.5 7
Wool waste 5.5 3 2
Manures


source ------------N P K ----------------------comments
Rabbit manure- 2.4 1.4 0.6 Most concentrated of animal manures in fresh form.
Cow manure (dairy)- 0.6 0.2 0.5 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot omposted.
Steer manure- 0.7 0.3 0.4 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot composted if fresh.
Chicken manure- 1.1 0.8 0.5 Fast acting, breaks down quickest of all manures.
Use carefully, may burn. Also, stinks like hell - composting definitely recommended.
Horse manure- 0.7 0.3 0.6 Medium breakdown time.
Duck manure- 0.6 1.4 0.5 .
Sheep manure- 0.7 0.3 0.9 .
Worm castings- 0.5 0.5 0.3 50% organic material plus 11 trace minerals. Great for seedlings, will not burn.
Is a form of compost, so doesn't need composting.
Desert Bat Guano- 8 4 1 Also contains trace elements. Fast-acting, mix in soil or as tea (1 C guano to 5 gal. water).
Cave Bat Guano- 3 10 1 .
Fossilized Seabird Guano- 1 10 1 Slow release over 3 to 12 weeks, best used as an addition to potting mix.
Peruvian Seabird Guano- (pelletized) 12 12 2.5 Legendary fertilizer of the Incas. Use in soil as a long lasting fertilizer, or make into tea (1 tsp pellets to 1 gallon water).

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Note: it is recommended to first compost any fresh manure before you use it for 2 reasons:
1) to lessen the chance of harmful pathogens.
2) to break down the manure to make it more usable to the plant (and reduce the smell!)
The rates for pig or human manure are not listed because of the high rate of harmful pathogens they contain.
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Organic meals


source -------------N P K--------------- comments
Blood Meal- 11 0 0 Highest N of all organic sources, very fast acting if made into tea.
Bone Meal- (steamed) 1 11 0 Releases nutrients slowly.
Caution: European farmers should not use because of the risk of spreading Mad Cow Disease; growers elsewhere may face the same issue.
Cottonseed Meal- 6 2.5 1.5 If farming organically, check the source. May be heavily treated with pesticides.
Fish Scrap- 5 3 3 Use in compost or work in soil several months before using. Usually slightly alkaline.
Fish Emulsion -4 1 1 Also adds 5% sulfur. Good N source for seedlings, won't burn.
Kelp Meal- 1 0.5 2.5 Provides 60 trace elements, plus growth-promoting hormones and enzymes.
Soybean Meal- 7 0.5 2.3 .
Coffee Grounds- 2 0.3 0.2 Highly acidic, best for use in alkaline soils.
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Minerals

source------------ N P K --------------comments
Greensand- 0 1.5 7 Mined from old ocean deposits; used as soil conditioner; it holds water and is high in iron, magnesium, and silica - 32 trace minerals in all.
Eggshells- 1.2 0.4 0.1 Contais calcium plus trace minerals. Dry first, then grind to powder.
Limestone- (dolomitic) 0 0 0 Raises pH, 51% calcium and 40% magnesium.
Limestone- (calcitic) 0 0 0 Raises pH, 65-80% calcium, 3-15% magnesium.
Crustacean Shells- 4.6 3.52 0 Contain large amounts of lime. Should be ground as finely as possible for best results.
Wood Ashes- 0 1.5 7 Very fast acting and highly alkaline (usually used to raise pH). Contains many micronutrients.
Crushed Granite- 0 0 5 Contains 67% silicas and 19 trace minerals. Slow release over a long period of time.
Rock Phosphate -0 3 0 Contains 11 trace minerals. Slow release over a long period of time.
Epsom Salts- 0 0 0 Provides Mg and acts as a balancer


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Soil amendments and organic material

source------------- N P K--------------- comments
Cornstalks- 0.75 0.4 0.9 Break down slowly; excellent soil conditioner. Should be shredded.
Oak Leaves- 0.8 0.35 0.15 Break down slowly, shred for best results. Good soil conditioner.
Feathers- 15 0 0 Chop or shred finely for best results.
Hair- 14 0 0 Good soil conditioner, oils break down slowly. Chop or shred finely for best results.

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Organic soil composition involves creating a soil medium that has a balanced amount of nutrients - NPK as well as trace elements and minerals - plus organic material that provides food for not only the plant, but also the countless soil microorganisms, fungi, worms, and bacteria that comprise a healthy soil. This soil life breaks down the raw materials of the fertilizers you add so the plants can absorb them, and also plays a part in as-yet undefined processes that aid plant growth and improve soil health.

Below are various "recipes" for both organic fertilizers and organic soil mixes.



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Mix and match formulas

Pick one source from each category. The results will vary in composition from 1-2-1 to 4-6-3, but any mixture will provide a balanced supply of nutrients that will be steadily available to plants and encourage soil microorganisms.


Nitrogen
2 parts blood meal
3 parts fish meal

Phosporous
3 parts bone meal
6 parts rock phosphate or colloidal phosphate

Potassium
1 part kelp meal
6 parts greensand


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source: Rodale Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening

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More Organic Fertilizer Mixes

2 - 3.5 - 2.5
1 part bone meal
3 parts alfalfa hay
2 parts greensand
2 - 4 - 2
4 parts coffee grounds
1 part bone meal
1 part wood ashes

2 - 4 - 2
1 part leather dust
1 part bone meal
3 parts granite dust

2 - 8 - 2
3 parts greensand
2 parts seaweed
1 part dried blood
2 parts phosphate rock

2 - 13 - 2.5
1 part cottonseed meal
2 parts phosphate rock
2 parts seaweed

3.5 - 5.5 - 3.5
2 parts cottonseed meal
1 part colloidal phosphate
2 parts granite dust

2.5 - 6 - 5
1 part dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
4 parts wood ashes

0 - 5 - 4
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts greensand
2 parts wood ashes

3 - 6 - 3
1 part leather dust
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts seaweed

3 - 7 - 5
1 part dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
3 parts wood ashes

3 - 8 - 5
1 part leather dust
1 part phosphate rock
1 part fish scrap
4 parts wood ashes

2.5 - 2.5 - 4
3 parts granite dust
1 part dried blood
1 part bone meal
5 parts seaweed

4 - 5 - 4
2 parts dried blood
1 part phosphate rock
4 parts wood ashes

6 - 8 - 3
2 parts fish scrap
2 parts dried blood
1 part cottonseed meal
1 part wood ashes
1 part phosphate rock
1 part granite dust

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Herbal Tea Plant Food

1 t Comfrey leaves
1 t Alfalfa leaves
1 t Nettle leaves
1 Qt boiling water


Steep for 10 min. and let cool until luke warm. Drain the leaves out and add the luke warm tea to your plants to keep them healthy and vibrant!

The reason for adding slightly warm tea (or water) to your plants is that they will be able to absorb the needed nutrients more easily by keeping the root pores open verses cold tea (or water) will have a tendency to restrict the pores, meaning a much slower process of absorption.

Comfrey is called knitbone or healing herb. It is high in calcium, potassium and phosphorus, and also rich in vitamins A and C. The nutrients present in comfrey actually assist in the healing process since it contains allantoin.
Alfalfa is one of the most powerful nitrogen - fixers of all the legumes. It is strong in iron and is a good source of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and trace minerals.
Nettles are helpful to stimulate fermentation in compost or manure piles and this helps to break down other organic materials in your planting soil. The plant is said to contail carbonic acid and ammonia which may be the fermentation factor. Nettles are rich in iron and have as much protein as cottonseed meal.
sorry if theres repeats, just a little info i gathered fast as i seem to have lost all mine, but you get the idea. best of luck man

[Bee23]

Cherma:8 maids a milking, is better than nine males trying to.

[neno83]

did anyone actually read all that info?

[Cherma]

Ok dudes I caught 3 hermies in the group now. What shall I do?

YANK 'EM, now, sorry been away for a little bit here on holiday and did not respond. But get the hermies out of your grow area.