Commercial Grower's License

[Dr. Feelgood]

Damn, you guys are ON it! That was my first psot as I am a newbie. Soniq420, thank you for your prompt response. I'm off to the link.

Calm Seas, Sunny Skies, Tight Lines, & A Good Buzz!

[GimmieGreenie]

Originally Posted by BWC BayArea

That sounds like a job to me. Once u get past the novelty of it all, this is real work. I spend a LOT of man hours in my garden 4 out of 7 days a week (easy). I spent up to 8hrs in there (not including harvesting) b4. It is a dream job, but reality sets in after a few cycles. But I love what I do, sounds like U enjoy it too.Haveenough saved to live on for 3-6 months, tie up any loose ends where u r now and go for it. Find out which MMJ state has the most to offer besides MMJ. At least this would be my approach

Thankx for the input and the advice. I dont think i say that right. I wasn't at all trying to say that act of growing isn't work. anybody here that has ever tried to germinate a seed knows isn't not easy to grow. I meant to say that i "would" quit my job and move to a green friendly state now, if i could find a "stable paying job non MMJ related. you know just so i don't end up sleeping on the street and all.
Im a worker, i been working since i was 10 year with my pop. and the idea being unempolyment and not getting a steady check kindof scares me. perhaps more than it should. Thankx again for the advice, that is a good plan u give me so i all about it

[BWC BayArea]

Originally Posted by GimmieGreenie

Thankx again for the advice, that is a good plan u give me so i all about it

That's what we're here for. Good luck and may ur future endeavors be prosperous. and blessings

[whereisjeff]

Originally Posted by BWC BayArea

Not so sure about the 1st part of this quote. Got any evidence to back that up? I agree with the second part completely. I guess the best way I can think of to put it for Cali is this. Large scale grows are illegal for this reason. The limits were supposed to be implemented so that people could cultivate meds for personal reasons and/or caregivers could grow for patients unable to do so for themselves.Certain areas in Cali the are more accepting being that so much revenue is being generated. Authorities are inclined to look the other way. The DEA, another story. What u do is ur biz. Just keep it that way and play it safe. Good luck.

I don't have any evidence on hand. But I talked to a lawyer when I went to the Oaksterdam seminar and he said Prop 215 always overrides SB420, and in Prop 215 it says you can form a cooperative or a collective and when you become a vendor with a dispensary you have to join their "collective" before you can do business with them. Prop 215 also allows you to "donate" part of your crop to the collective and be "reimbursed" for your the cost of your efforts. Denis Peron (who financed the proposition and wrote the bill) did a lecture at O'dam also and talked about how they deliberately put that in the wording so that people could make a reasonable living but not get rich. As far as being a card member, of course you have to do that because you cant be in possession of cannabis without it.

It's best to never put yourself in a situation to test the law in the first place. Don't tell anyone what you're doing, dont get greedy and do unto others...

[whereisjeff]

Also, I happen to know that the guy rents the basement from my neighbor is growing and when she wanted to kick him out because he's a dodgy asshole, she had the sheriff come up there and told him what's going on and there was nothing they could do cause he has his MMJ card and pays the rent every month on time. So he's still living there and growing for money.

[Dr. Feelgood]

because he's a dodgy asshole

Ask the "dodgy asshole" how many Harley's he thinks will fit in his living room. Works for me.

[BWC BayArea]

Originally Posted by whereisjeff

I don't have any evidence on hand. But I talked to a lawyer when I went to the Oaksterdam seminar and he said Prop 215 always overrides SB420, and in Prop 215 it says you can form a cooperative or a collective and when you become a vendor with a dispensary you have to join their "collective" before you can do business with them.

Chris Conrad was very informative, check his bio out. pretty interesting for a lawyer. As for the collective,I didn't consider that aspect. I am aware of collectives that are forming b4 there;s a dispensary. Been noticing a lot od delivery services popping up. And Some form collectives just to have enough plants to produce enough product to present to a dispensary. I've actually personally inquired about this. The couple dispensary reps I spoke with are looking for 1 lb min (oakland/berkely). I wasn't aware that when u become a vendor for a dispensary u had to join their collective (think I'll look into that some more thanks).[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by whereisjeff

Prop 215 also allows you to "donate" part of your crop to the collective and be "reimbursed" for your the cost of your efforts. Denis Peron (who financed the proposition and wrote the bill) did a lecture at O'dam also and talked about how they deliberately put that in the wording so that people could make a reasonable living but not get rich.

I do remember him speaking of this but not sure. 215 was the 1st initiative (1996 CA), voted for it but not to sure of the details. I just know it had something to do with "compassionate use". Good point on the "donate" portion because the "reimbursement" is a donation as well (legally speaking) to recoup fund for light bills, nutes, etc.

Originally Posted by whereisjeff

As far as being a card member, of course you have to do that because you cant be in possession of cannabis without it.

I beg to differ. THIS IS A COMMON MISCONCEPTION. I found the legal aspects of the school hella boring, but I did pick up a few things along the way. I am almost sure of this one. YOUR CARD PROVIDES LITTLE TO ZERO LEGAL PROTECTION FROM A POSSESSION CHARGE (unless u have a state issued card I believe). Than means, Medicann and OCBC cards provide little to no legal protection, they only get u into dispensaries. U should always have a copy of your prescription from ur doc on ur person when U have meds in ur possession (on ur person, in ur house, car, or boat). UR DOCTORS PRESCRIPTION IS ONE OF UR MOST IMPORTANT FORMS OF PROTECTION FROM A POSSESSION CHARGE.

Originally Posted by whereisjeff

It's best to never put yourself in a situation to test the law in the first place. Don't tell anyone what you're doing, dont get greedy and do unto others...

I agree 100%. If I am wrong about any of this please let me know so I don't end up passing on the wrong info. I can accept being wrong and can take constructive criticism. If u do find err, please present evidence so that we all can be confident in the new info we pick up here. Any 1 want the same from me is welcome to PM me, I don't mind the research to validate a claim. Like I was saying, don't know a lot about the legal aspects, but always willing to learn nore (small portions at a time.) thanks and good bless. GOOD info in this thread.

[Dr. Feelgood]

I agree about the thread. I was reading more this morning and have a question regarding the collective/coop dispensary relationship. On your first visit to most clubs, CBS being the only exception to date, they take a photo copy of your paper license and your I.D. When they do this, and you initial and sign the accompanying forms, are you giving them the use of your license to grow? Has anyone ever asked? By last count, there could possibly be 42 plants growing using my prescription.

[BWC BayArea]

Forget y exactly. We know that local laws (city and county) have placed limits on the max (cannabis, edibles, plant material its all counted b4 making it to the evidence room)1 person can posses. When ur a caregiver one can assume the growing and I believe the possession quantities of the person/people in ur care (patients). Ur info (driver's license etc) is taken, compiled, and filed. If there's ever a question about the amount of meds or plants they (dispensary operators) can present the files of all of the dispensaries patients as evidence of adhering to the regulations. So if there is a dispensary and ur employees are considered caregivers then this multiplies the max amount that can be stored/in possession (in a dispensary). At least I think its something along those lines.

[whereisjeff]

BWC BayArea, you're right about the actual doctor recommendation paperwork, have a copy of that with you at all times and put the original on the door of your grow room.

But really, no one should be getting caught unless they're fucking stupid and those people would probably grow shitty dope anyway. Just stay under 100 plants to be on the safe side, if something out of your control does happen, you wouldn't get jail time in most states if you get a decent lawyer, especially California.

[Dr. Feelgood]

Can anyone help with my previous question? Are dispensaries actively using my license to grow? Can I ask them not to if I want to become a vendor? If I get one of their officers to join MY collective, does he bring his grip with him for my use?

Any owners or lawyers, I could sure use some real world answers. Thankx.

[BWC BayArea]

Originally Posted by Dr. Feelgood

Can anyone help with my previous question? Are dispensaries actively using my license to grow? Can I ask them not to if I want to become a vendor? If I get one of their officers to join MY collective, does he bring his grip with him for my use?

Why not ask the people that have ur paperwork? If a license was all that was needed to grow the CA DMV would've been overwhelmed on 1996. U can ask any1 not to do anything, doesn't mean its always gonna go ur way. Don't understand entirely where ur comin from with this. Its evident u'd like to contribute meds to a dispensary. My 2 cents to try and clear things up. Find ur favorite dispensary that u like to get meds from (may be more than) and just shop (ur info is already in their system). Go to other clubs U don't normally do business with and approach them as a vendor in a PROFESSIONAL manner. At least this way U don't have to be concerned with what's being done with ur info and it they want u to fill out more paperwork, ask y and how ur info is used. U know get it from the horses mouth. I don't know about asking them to join ur collective, good luck with that one. How will it benefit ne 1 other than u if they did this? Awaiting ur response.

[BWC BayArea]

Originally Posted by Dr. Feelgood

Can anyone help with my previous question? Are dispensaries actively using my license to grow? Can I ask them not to if I want to become a vendor? If I get one of their officers to join MY collective, does he bring his grip with him for my use?

Why not ask the people that have ur paperwork? If a license was all that was needed to grow the CA DMV would've been overwhelmed on 1996. U can ask any1 not to do anything, doesn't mean its always gonna go ur way. Don't understand entirely where ur comin from with this. Its evident u'd like to contribute meds to a dispensary. My 2 cents to try and clear things up. Find ur favorite dispensary that u like to get meds from (may be more than) and just shop (ur info is already in their system). Go to other clubs U don't normally do business with and approach them as a vendor in a PROFESSIONAL manner. At least this way U don't have to be concerned with what's being done with ur info and it they want u to fill out more paperwork, ask y and how ur info is used. U know get it from the horses mouth. I don't know about asking them to join ur collective, good luck with that one. How will it benefit ne 1 other than u if they did this? That's the best I got 4 u on that 4 now. Awaiting ur response.

[Dr. Feelgood]

I haven't had the chance to visit a dispensary today. I will ask the horse at my first opportunity. Your I.D. is copied to verify you're the person named on the script. Nothing more, but it's why you can't use a paper script and a MediCann card and no I.D. Only a CA DL or I.D. Card is valid. I've seen passports turned away at the door. I don't want to have either an officer or process server knocking on my door to arrest me or serve me w/ a subpoena to appear as a witness before a Grand Jury . That would probably be a buzz kill. Yes, I would like to contribute, and hope to join many as a vendor. I want to know who's going to use my name & script and for what purpose it will be used. I always read anything I sign and have seen no mention of this on any form or release. I think that once they saw my market share locally and business model to expand, it would be a no-brainer.

But you are right and by noon tomorrow I'l have talked to every horse in my stable.

[Dr. Feelgood]

BWC BayArea, I apologize for my lack of manners.

Thank you for taking the time to discuss this w/ me today. I look forward to our next discussion.

Doc

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