Juicing Cannabis

[BABA]

Good luck with juiceing and health

[sweetz]

Thank you so much, and God speed to you and yours if ever you are in need too!

[sweetz]

Hummm...

I'm growing more and more concerned about the risks of ingesting/absorbing raw vegetation, especially weed which has been exposed to potentially dangerous pathogens because it was cultivated outdoors with animals around, etc. Considering the "medecine" would be meant to help persons who already suffer from serious illness i fear there ain't too many ways to sterilize it and avoid decarboxylation at the same time. My guess is perhaps an extract made with heavily concentrated alcohol will get rid of contaminants by killing micro-organisms before the mixture is filtered and concentrated. Evaporation of the solvant at room temperature (or possibly even colder) is the main problem one might have to solve, IMHO. Compatible alternatives are most welcome under these circumstances.

Consuming any other fresh produce from one's own garden would pose the same problem wouldn't it? If that is a worry, why not grow indoors and eliminate that concern? Also, solvents can be worse at concentrated levels which would happen if leaves were soaked...why not just use 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide to wash the leaves prior to juicing since we are supposed to soak/wash them first anyway according to Dr. Courtney. Any pathogens (except possibly some strains of mold) would be instantly killed off in a matter of seconds/minutes, and any possible residules of peroxide is good for us internally.

[420]

Can you only do research in private messages where nobody else can see?

Why not share this research with the world, in this thread?

[sweetz]

Good question. That is why I said we will just have to see where this goes...

[sweetz]

I am wondering why plants kept in vegetation (18+ hours light or even 24/7 light) over 90 days but are NOT allowed to flower or bud out (since we wont be needing those in the juicing context) would lose their levels of cannabadiol (CBD) concentrations?

My husband was also given a recomendation by a compassionate doctor so we can grow a total of 24 "immature" plants (legally) between us at the same time. Here in Calaveras County, the head of the Narcotics Division said that his definition (and his is the one that counts here) of "immature" is where the plants do not display any mature sticky buds...they are nowhere ready for harvesting. If we did let them bud out then we can only have a total of 12 plants between the two of us...or else he said to go back to the doctor and have him specify an exact number of plants needed for juicing written on the recommendation...not to exceed 99.

Twenty four vegetating plants might yield enough for daily juicing if the quantity of juice needed could be reduced by way of an alternate (better) delivery into the blood stream. That is why it is important for those who wish to juice their cannabis and who have no other means of getting additional fresh leaves on a regular basis to figure out the best way for delivery. I have only heard of orally, butt am wondering why the colon has not been a consideration for this as of yet (until it was just mentioned here recently by another poster).

Incidently, for those who use green tea (EGCG) as a treatment for many types of cancer, there are now EGCG suppositories available (expensive since made by a company and because you would need two of these @ 400 mg each a day). When taken orally, 90% of egcg is "lost" enroute to the blood stream because of stomach acids and liver processing, but 90% IS absorbed via colon. These suppositories can easily be made at home instead by using virgin coconut oil and opening and mixing capsules of powdered concentrates...then refrigerating as many as you feel like making. Powerful and easy.

So this led me to think of possibly using enema's for the delivery of (nonpsychoactive) cannabis juice instead, but need to talk to Dr. Courtney to see if there would be any reason that the colon would not be an acceptable place for the greater absorption of cannabis...this would greatly cut down the amount of cannabis juice needed.

Another thing for your consideration, if you are fortunate enough to get extra trim leaves from someone who grows organically, go ahead and juice them while they are fresh...then freeze it in ice cube trays for the times when there are not enough plants to use...just do not use heat to defrost them.

The other thing I am wondering is this...if CBD's are the most important factors for the success of cannabis to effectually produce healing by way of juicing (according to Dr. Courtney), then why does Rick Simpson place such an importance on high levels of THC (he can't be thinking of the nonpsychoactive THC-A since the heat he requires converts that to THC, and he ignores CBD's) when making "his" ingestable oil? Which is it? How can both of these "formulas" heal cancers since they are both so different? Here is a wild thought...could it be the plant chlorophylls that heal?

If 40 grams of leaves produce 9cc's of juice, that is equal to just a third of an ounce...the recommended oral dose according to Dr. Courtney. That is such a small dose, suitable for an "easy to tolerate" enema which would be easier than trying to build up to a gram of Simpson's oil which has all the CBD's destroyed by heating anyway. Some of us need to function and keep our brains sharp during the day at least...which the Simpson oil rules out (contrary to what he says)....because some of us are not tokers and never have been...nor do we have a toleration built up which could take months to do while still trying to function.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[emzalee]

Dear misssy94901 -

I read your post about how you are juicing for your husband's condition. the info you provided is incredibly helpful! i am trying to figure out the best way to approach my mother's illness - she has fibromyalgia and neuropathy - she is being to be debilitated by the pain and fears that she soon will not be able to continue her teaching career. I love the idea of grinding the leaves for capsules. I am thinking of trying to get leaves in order to do this - we don't have the space to grow on our own and so juicing seems a bit too difficult.

thanks again,
emily

[MEpatient]

Hi Emzalee, and juicers,

How did the grinding the leaves for capsules work out for you? Can't this be a little irritating on the digestive tract?

And how are others doing with the juicing program? I would like to hear more about it for the reason that it could benefit my health hopefully..

Thank you.

[BigIrishDoode]

A FEW THOUGHTS i juice leaves but differently, i take my leaves from all stages of the life cycle i trim throughout
throw them in a blender with ice and fruit green tea whatever i have at the time no recipe other than adding leaves i even add dried leaves if thats all i have, i call it the bid green drink lol,
also in regards to mature budded plants wouldn't it benefit to use budded plants as they have a much higher amount of all cannabinoids flavanoids etc? the thc in non psychoactive unless decarbed with heat right? if you grew a high cbd strain like cannatonic it seems that the part thats tested for the 16% level is the mature bud not vegatative leaf, just me thinking here we want the patient to get the highest amount of med possible right? i know i do when im juicing i use the whole plant from first trim to final harvest and i have noticed the buds i have blended in to my drink did not get me "high" (no heat decarbbin) makes sense to me since the highest concentration of all the cbds thcs etc reside at the top of the glandular trichome just inside the bulbous head on the stalk, food for thought heres a list you may find useful in your med creation
CANNABINOID, TURPENOID, AND FLAVOID PROPERTIES

?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

cannabigerol (CBG)
Boiling point: MP52
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant



Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties


ß-myrcene
Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

ß-caryophyllene
Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool
Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone
Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene
Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol
Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol
Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene
Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor



Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties


apigenin
Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin
Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A
Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

ß-sitosterol
Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor

i hope this helps i believe that where ever this plant came from its no accident humans use it and are attracted to it like moths to a flame, everything about it seems as if it was created to attract us to it its look ,smell and effects are second to none, if its god,aliens,nature that put it here i know in my heart of hearts its here for us exclusivly, good luck with your quest for a cure, i believe you found it

[YZGrassy]

Sweetz...apparently I need 50 posts to contact you. Need to talk to you re juicing.

Thanks, grassy

[taymgates]

Sweetz from what I have read it is best to juice mature budding plants to achieve the full amount of CBD and THC in its raw form.. Juicing an immature plant will not have close to the levels of CBD or THC that a mature plant would have and that is what you are looking for.

This to me sounds amazing and just shows how truly wonderful this plant is.. Taken that we are smoking a plant with fire or heat and it is still giving us positive attributes. Think about the possibilities this plant holds raw & in its natural stage.

[YZGrassy]

THC doesn't occur until you apply heat.

I have heard several opinions on when to harvest... most say immature plants but I was also told to harvest in the budding stage just before maturity.

It would be very cost beneficial to growers if we didn't have to go through the budding stage ... there doesn't seem to be any consensus when t harvest..and that is a bit troubling..

Is there another source of Juicing info other than Dr. Courtney ?

Grassy

[taymgates]

THC & CBD are not able to be absorbed in your bloodstream for psychoactive purposes unless it is heated into a vapor or is heated and applied with a fat or oil. We are not talking about psychoactive purposes we are talking about mineral and nutrient qualities

What we are talking about is your stomach lining absorbing minerals and nutrients from the raw cannabis you have ingested. It sounds like from what the video said they are seeking cannabis with high leaves of CBD like the one in Spain called Canatonic.. Canatonic along with all Cannabis plants do not develop THC and CBD until they are flowering and bud is produced.

In the video linked above she is cutting cannabis leaves off budded plants. Just going by what I see and what they are saying

[YZGrassy]

"Canatonic along with all Cannabis plants do not develop THC and CBD until they are flowering and bud is produced."

No. No maturing nor heat is required to release the cbd in the herb. All leaves have cbd.

Previously in this post , 2 members stated that Dr. Courtney recommends using immature plants. I believe they said 70-90 days of life would achieve the optimum CBD. I have read otherwise but none has done the research that I have found...most, if not all, is all anecdotal. Knowing which way is best could save $$$$$s and speed up harvest if you are a small grow.

The only way to find out the cbd of your plant is to have it tested. The 11% is what they got growing in their way at that time. If I grew it today, the numbers may be quite different. Their are other now claiming higher cbd. It still is all about THC but cbd is becoming important.

[YZGrassy]

Wheat grass juicer arrived today. Yoweee !

Grassy