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    Zeitgeist - Movie 2007 - 2012

    ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD 2011


    ZEITGEIST: ADDENDUM 2008


    ZEITGEIST: THE MOVIE 2007


    ZEITGEIST: BEYOND THE PALE 2012 [TBA]
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    Movie 'Zeitgeist' - Illuminati Critique Or Psy-Op?
    By Henry Makow PhD
    Movie 'Zeitgeist' - Illuminati Critique Or Psy-Op? by Henry Makow (Sep. 16, 2007)
    September 16, 2007
    Movie 'Zeitgeist' - Illuminati Critique Or Psy-Op? by Henry Makow (Sep. 16, 2007)
    Throughout history, paganism and true religion have struggled for the soul of mankind. This age-old battle is drawing to a close with a magnificent victory for paganism. For the naïve populace, this collective death march is masked as "secular humanism," and "modernism." It is directed and financed by Illuminati central bankers, who are the leaders of cabalistic secret societies associated with Freemasonry and Communism. (see "Rothschilds Conduct Red Symphony" savethemales.ca - Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony")

    They wish to redefine reality so that the human race will serve them instead of God. This is the essence of the "New World Order."

    In this perspective, it is hard to decipher the movie "Zeitgeist" (Zeitgeist - The Movie) which has received wide exposure on the Internet reaching beyond the conspiracy-conscious.

    The film is divided into three parts.

    Parts II and III are generally excellent exposures of the Illuminati-controlled banking system and the Illuminati-instigated 9-11 attacks. The film shows how the latter provided the excuse for fascism and how the Illuminati intend to enslave us.

    The puzzle is Part I: a vicious, gratuitous attack on Christianity comparing it to the frauds of 9-11 and the Federal Reserve. The film argues that Christ was created in the mold of numerous pagan sun gods that predate him, and the historical Christ never actually existed. Citing Achaya S, Rimpoche and John Lennon, "Zeitgeist" intones a New Age mantra: "Religion divorces man from nature. It is slavery. Religious myths are used to control and manipulate society."

    This is essentially the pagan message. Since they want God's job, the Illuminati's primary purpose has always been to destroy Christianity. Another recent psy-op is Mother Teresa's confession (in letters) that she had grave doubts about her faith for most of her life. This story was front-page news in the Illuminati Zionist press where the Catholic Church is always fair game.

    Is "Zeitgeist" also a psy-op? Why not hide an Illuminati message in an excellent anti-Illuminati documentary? After all, the 9-11 and Fed information is already out there. What better way to turn the young generation against religion?

    I don't think this is deliberate on the part of the filmmakers. The Illuminati generally fund people who already are unwitting agents of their agenda.

    More interesting to me is why so many smart people have such a problem with Christ's teachings. Why does the Gospel of Brotherly Love arouse so much hate?

    Yes the church has been subverted and has discredited Christ. But surely we can separate Christ's teachings from the people who fail to represent them.

    RELIGION

    Christ's teachings give the lie to Zeitgeist's claim that he is another pagan symbol. Unlike Christ, Horus et al did not express the Spirit of God.

    Millions of people experience the Sprit of God directly. They can confirm that Christ indeed is a messenger of God. I am a (non observant) Jew and do not belong to any Christian church but even I can see this. So can Muslims and Hindus who also honor Christ.

    Before I talk about Christ's teachings, I want to speak about religion in general. Try not to zone out as you've been programmed to do.

    True religion differs from paganism in that it is essentially moral in character. It is concerned with what is true and good, what is right and wrong. It worships (serves) God; not nature, not the sun. It is basically a spiritual discipline designed to attune us to the Creator's presence and will. By necessity, it is otherworldly, i.e. it rejects the priorities of this world, mainly power, money and sex.

    Instead it teaches us to aspire to spiritual ideals such as truth, justice, peace, love and beauty as the ultimate reality. Love of God makes us seek these ideals.We know God when they are self-evident to us.

    (The popular image of God -- a Santa Claus who watches over us and answers our prayers -- is the straw man atheists create. How easy to reject such a juvenile concept.)

    Whether we are atheists or not, we cannot escape God. God is NOT nature. God is a moral dimension. Everything we do, everything that happens to us, falls along a spectrum of good to evil. We can't escape that. In fact, we are always striving for some kind of ersatz "good" (usually leading to some very real evil.)

    We were put on earth to do God's will, i.e. discern and implement what is genuinely Good. If we don't, we bear the consequences and have only ourselves to blame.

    We have no trouble recognizing when we are hungry. Our stomach tells us. But when we are despondent, we cannot seem to trace the problem back to our soul because we're not supposed to have a soul.

    The soul is as real as the stomach and the proof is that our hunger for purpose, harmony and meaning is just as great, and much more durable than our hunger for pizza.

    Spiritual hunger is what defines us as "human." Without spiritual ideals, the ability to distinguish right and wrong, we are little more than animals. That is what the Illuminati want, so they can enslave and destroy us.

    When a culture no longer fosters a free discussion of what is true and good; when there is no longer a consensus and desire to achieve these ideals; it is marked for extinction.

    CHRIST'S TEACHING

    "Zeitgeist" says that Horus and numerous other Sun Gods were born on Dec. 25, died on a cross, had 12 disciples, rose after three days etc. etc.

    Did they also teach us to love our neighbor, that God is Love, that all men are brothers, and to treat others as you would have them treat you? Did they teach:

    "No man can serve two masters...Ye cannot serve God and Mammon." (Matt 5:24)

    "Be ye therefore perfect as your Father who art in heaven is perfect."/ (Matt 5: 48)

    "God is a Spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

    "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.." (Matt 5:44)

    Did they teach worldly denial and escape from the prison of the ego?

    "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Matt 16:27)

    CONCLUSION

    "Zeitgeist" seems to disguise an essentially pagan New Age message in a credible attack on the Illuminati. While decrying two Illuminati frauds, it is perpetuating a third one. Along with religion, it also assails nation and race in passing, 3 out of the 4 on the Illuminati hate- list. (No mention of family.)

    Just because we reject the juvenile concept of God, we still have souls that intuit immanent Truth and Purpose. Hopefully viewers of "Zeitgeist" will recognize that faith in God answers a very real spiritual hunger.
    "Seek and ye shall find."
    Henry Makow

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    Here is what G. Edward Griffin had to say about Zietgiest:



    I don’t like to criticize anything that is helping to spread the truth about the Federal Reserve and 9/11 but I must agree with the substance of what you have said about this video. I watched it two nights ago and was deeply disturbed by its message. At first, I thought it would be best to just let it play itself out in expectation that most viewers would cross it off as whacky. However, the production value is high, the effects and sound score are compelling, and there is enough truth embedded in the beginning to capture the attention and possibly the trust of many within the freedom movement. So here are my comments on a few items of concern:

    1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature.

    2. The next jolt came when the program praised Civil War Greenbacks, calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were contrary to the U.S. Constitution and, although they were not fiat money issued by the banks, they were fiat money issued by the government. That was better than paying interest on nothing to bankers, but they still wiped out the purchasing power of American money through massive inflation. They can not correctly be called debt-free, either, because they represented debt on the shoulders of the government, which means, of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers. It never ceases to amaze me how people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what this program supports.

    3. There is a lengthy segment in which the author of I Was an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins, tells the story of how propagandists in the U.S. manipulated public opinion to support military action against several Latin American countries. Then Perkins says that these propagandists scared Americans by telling them that the leaders of these countries were Marxists who were aligned with the Soviets. This, of course, is a half truth that is just as dangerous as a total lie. It is true about the propagandists and their strategy to scare the public into supporting military intervention in those countries, but it is false to portray those dictators as great humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is total bunk. They WERE aligned with the Soviet Union and they WERE part of a Marxist/Leninist strategy to dominate Latin America; a strategy that continues to this day. There was plenty not to like on both sides of that struggle, but objective historians would never depict the Rhodesians (the CFR crowd in the U.S.) as bad guys but depict the Soviet puppets as good guys. In his book, Perkins reveals this same slant. He exposes the foul tactics of international corporations, the IMF, and World Bank, but he never mentions a Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them. Perkins is a collectivist aligned with the Left, and that strongly influences his telling of this story. Yet the producers of the video make no mention of this bias and give him an inordinate amount of time to present his slanted view without challenge.

    4. Perhaps the biggest insult to our intelligence is the main theme of the program. It is that profits are the root of all our problems today. That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis is, but, whatever it is, it will be administered and directed by an elite group, at least in the beginning. I was stunned by the fact that this is pure Marxism. Marx theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khruschev, said that, eventually, the character of man would be purged of greed, and then the state would wither away because it no longer would be needed. Sure! We saw that in the Soviet Union and China, right? Yet this Marxist nonsense is exactly what is offered in this video program. It is Communism without using the name.
    The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world – not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be re-educated. It is a basic part of man’s nature and is the mainspring of human progress, as Henry Grady Weaver described it in his book by that same title. Throughout history, whenever man lived in a system that allows him to be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance. By contrast, where social engineers gained control of the state and restricted people from receiving the fruits of their labor, productivity fell, and scarcity was the norm.
    The profit motive functions differently in different political systems. In a free system where government does not intervene in the market place, the profit motive always will manifest itself as competition, each person or each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower prices. That was how it used to be in the early days of America, and that is what led to the greatest outpouring of productivity and abundance the world has ever seen. However, in a collectivist system where government controls every conceivable aspect of economic and commercial activity (the system that now exists in America), the profit motive always manifests itself as a quest for political influence and laws to favor one group over another. The net effect is to eliminate competition in the market place. Under collectivism, success is achieved, not by creating better products and services for less cost, but by controlling legislators and government agencies. It is a system of legalized plunder, as Frederic Bastiat called it in his famous treatise, The Law. Unfortunately, it is the system that dominates most of the world today.
    Zeitgeist Addendum ignores this reality. At one point the narrator even says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise system." That’s an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only. The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of collectivism. This program creates a mythological boogeyman and then advocates more of the very thing that has brought us to the mess we are in today.
    The enemy of mankind is not profit. It is a political system of big government. Yet, this program is supportive of some of the most notable big-government collectivist on the planet. Marxist/Leninists may be enemies of collectivists in Washington, DC, but they are collectivists in their own right. The Communist model is no better than the Nazi model.
    There is much more that could be said about other program topics such as technology supposedly being our salvation, about the a future world in which no one has to work, and about common ownership of land, oceans, natural resources, etc. but, for the most part, these merely are sub issues to the ones already described, so I will spare my readers the pain of further discourse.
    In summary, this program does NOT offer a cure. It offers a mega dose of the disease itself.
    Ed Griffin, 2008 Oct 9

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    Re: Zeitgeist - movie (full version) please share with everyone

    Quote Originally Posted by Theanswerto1984is1776 View Post
    ......Since they want God's job....
    i hope they do a better job. god seems to have attention deficet disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by Theanswerto1984is1776 View Post
    ......Christ's teachings give the lie to Zeitgeist's claim that he is another pagan symbol. Unlike Christ, Horus et al did not express the Spirit of God........
    jesus must be rolling over in his grave

    Quote Originally Posted by Theanswerto1984is1776 View Post
    ...... Millions of people experience the Sprit of God directly. They can confirm that Christ indeed is a messenger of God......
    thanks for the confirmation
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    Re: Zeitgeist - movie (full version) please share with everyone

    yeah, i saw this movie over a year ago. there is also an addendum to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User View Post
    i hope they do a better job. god seems to have attention deficet disorder
    If you think the Illuminatti, is going to do a better job then God, I am afraid you must be horribly confused.


    Quote Originally Posted by User View Post
    jesus must be rolling over in his grave
    I'm sure he is very dissapointed, in the state of the world.



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    thanks for the confirmation
    No problem, my brother!!

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    If you think the Illuminatti, is going to do a better job then God, I am afraid you must be horribly confused.
    not confused. i just don't believe in the existence of god.

    as for the illuminatti i think much of the stuff about them is laughable. do i believe in global conspiracies, yes but i don't believe its about any cosmic battle between good and evil, light and darkness, god and the devil. its a battle between classes, corporations and people, the greedy and power hungry against the workers/masses. if you choose to believe god has something to do with it and that motivates you to struggle against those powers thats fine with me. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    i'm assuming you recognized the sarcasam in my previous post and i'm assuming a bit of the same in your reply to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by User View Post
    not confused. i just don't believe in the existence of god.

    as for the illuminatti i think much of the stuff about them is laughable. do i believe in global conspiracies, yes but i don't believe its about any cosmic battle between good and evil, light and darkness, god and the devil. its a battle between classes, corporations and people, the greedy and power hungry against the workers/masses. if you choose to believe god has something to do with it and that motivates you to struggle against those powers thats fine with me. the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    i'm assuming you recognized the sarcasam in my previous post and i'm assuming a bit of the same in your reply to it.
    Yeah I caught it! I definitely agree, that it's the mega corporatations and banks against the masses. I appreciate everyones beliefs and don't hold that against them. I also feel the same, no matter religion, race, etc., we should band together to fight these forces! They want us to be divided and use all these things to tear us apart, so I refuse to let that happen. Thanks for the reply!

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    Re: Zeitgeist - Movie 2007 - 2012

    I've seen all 3 of the Z flicks.

    I have my affinities for The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement (especially when dealing with a Resource Based Economy), and the World Socialist Movement.

    I also have my affinities for the numerous other organizations out advocating more symbiotic and sustainable methods of taking care of things, most of which may include: the elimination of the current Monetary-Market System, which is anything but economic, more like anti-economic and anti-ecological...


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    Re: Zeitgeist - Movie 2007 - 2012

    I agree with TheAnswer1776. The 1st part of the film is a bit much. I also think it would gain a much larger audience if that parts came later in the film.

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