California Cannabis Hemp & Health Initiative 2008

[Roland A. Duby]

8 days til we can start collecting signatures

[420]

is there a signature page we can print out?

[Roland A. Duby]

The Atty General has prepared a Title and Summary of the initiative
and Buddy it is a Doozy

you can read it here

California Secretary of State - Elections & Voter Information - Initiative Update

and we will be distributing the PETITIONS beginning in the next day or so.

we will also have petitions in PDF format for downloading and printing on your
own 8 1/2 by 14 inch LEGAL SIZE PAPER

[420]

please post the petition when it is ready.

thanks.

[Roland A. Duby]

here is a petition and an instructional flyer

the petition MUST BE PRINTEDON 8 1/2 by 14 inch

LEGAL SIZE PAPER
You should use a good laser printer and remember
this is a 2 sided document and must be printed as a 2 sided document!!

If not the signatures will be no good..

Do not use FIT TO PAGE when printing...
If the fonts are the wrong size ...
the signatures will be no good..

http://www.marijuanaman.com/petitionflyer.pdf

http://www.marijuanaman.com/petition.pdf

[ulukine]

Excellent idea, but questionable execution. Given my long term history of employment with the California DHS and involvement in writting regulations, there are several problems with your draft.

Paragraph 5c seems in contravention of existing regulation requirements (which are based on prior law), and would likely be exculpated

Paragraph 6 can't include federal standards, laws or enforcement, as this is a state initiative.

Paragraph 9 would deny the federal gov. the right to the use of local and state law enforcment officers which would most likely violate federal regs or laws

Paragraph II-1 would "grandfather" existing convictions etc. This is prohibited.

Now that's just the first read. Think like they do to beat them.

You may want to involve more legal consults and get this written in a way that will not result in legal battles in US courts.

[Roland A. Duby]

God what a naysayer, Are you sure you want to legalize POT?


everyone needs to download the petition PDF file and collect signatures if they want to legalize pot.

If you don't (like this guy) then ignore it and forget about it

but honestly don't wait until after all the hard work has been done and then criticize the job.

This initiative has been on Jacks website for years and has been edited , re-edited, checked by lawyers, then re-edited , over and over and over again.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR EVERYONE IN CALIFORNIA WHO WANTS TO LEGALIZE POT TO GATHER TOGETHER AND DO IT!!!!

The PETITION HAS CHANGED SO PLEASE DOWNLOAD IT AGAIN
the link is the same but the file has changed slightly

remember to print both sides of the PDF and to use
8 1/2 by 14 24 pound LEGAL SIZE PAPER

PEACE

www.marijuanaman.com/petition.pdf

Originally Posted by ulukine

Excellent idea, but questionable execution. Given my long term history of employment with the California DHS and involvement in writting regulations, there are several problems with your draft.

Paragraph 5c seems in contravention of existing regulation requirements (which are based on prior law), and would likely be exculpated

Paragraph 6 can't include federal standards, laws or enforcement, as this is a state initiative.

Paragraph 9 would deny the federal gov. the right to the use of local and state law enforcment officers which would most likely violate federal regs or laws

Paragraph II-1 would "grandfather" existing convictions etc. This is prohibited.

Now that's just the first read. Think like they do to beat them.

You may want to involve more legal consults and get this written in a way that will not result in legal battles in US courts.

[Boss]

I thought it sounded like he wanted to help :-)

[Roland A. Duby]

I really hope he does,

I didn't mean to sound so abrasive in the message,

It was supposed to sound sarcastic but humourous

but it didn't translate well in text,

[ulukine]

Of course I want to help. Unfortunately, it seems it's easier to criticize the messenger than the message. Would you like to rebut my points? Critical discussion in an open forum is never a bad idea to my way of thinking.
And it may benefit you and your group in inspiring you to view the issues thru different lenses to gain a broader perspective. I also accept your appology for your rude and ill advised response.

[420]

instead of hashing it out here between the two of you, why don't you pass on these comments to jack, to pass on to his attorney, for consideration... then roland can reply with his feedback here... that would be the best way to handle this situation, in my opinion...

[Roland A. Duby]

Unfortunately this type of criticism is coming too late to be useful.
The Initiative is FILED
We are actively collecting SIGNATURES...

anyone interested in helping to change the law
can download the petition and print it as a double sided document 8 1/2 by 14 inches and go collect signatures for this to get on the ballot.

I am not interested in debateing this and Jack says to tell everyone that this has been checked by the best attorneys in the movement.
It has Bruce Margolins support and approval.

If dude wanted to debate the initiative and suggest changes he had the last 2 years to do that

now is the time to collect signatures, If you don't want to do that then you don't want to change the law.

The way the law is now, PATIENTS are still going to jail, we don't believe anyone should go to jail for cannabis.

If you can't collect signatures for whatever reason then go to jacks website and visit the HEMPORIUM. Jack has an entire line of products called the "Jack Herer Signature Collection"
and all the money made from the sale of these products goes to pay for the "signature collection"
you can also donate from jacks website without buying anything

Welcome to Jack Herer's Home on the Web

[420]

understood roland.

everyone print these out and spread the word!

we will send out a newsletter about it soon brother.

[420]

how many signatures do you need?

can you accept electronic (online) signatures?

[Roland A. Duby]

We need 434,000 VALID VOTER SIGNATURES

We want to collect 750,000
so we can be sure we have enough valid ones..

The most electronic we can be is the downloadable
Petition form at
http://www.marijuanaman.com/petition.pdf
but it must be printed on
8 1/2 by 14 inch legal size 24 pound paper

it is a 2 sided document which means
page 1 goes on one side and page 2 goes on the other.

there is an address on the bottom of the petition to send the completed
petitions and to order petitions if you don't have a printer.

we have a video to teach you to gather signatures
available at

initiative

and a flyer that hits the important points
http://www.marijuanaman.com/petitionflyer.pdf

Thanks Potheads

Let's show the straight people that we can actually do something!!!

Originally Posted by 420

how many signatures do you need?

can you accept electronic (online) signatures?