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Yeah, I'm going to be doing a bit of staking. It has indeed turned into a jungle. I need to clean that up, but it's doing alright for now and I don't have time yet. Maybe Saturday.
The space issue isn't too bad, and I have a plan to improve it going forward. Just not right now. I'm going to wait until most of these are harvested, because I need to move lights and that will be easier when the room is nearly empty. I intend to put the next wave through at the same start time. The staggered start is efficient and all, but it's a lot more work because they are less alike and need more varied treatment. --- I'm thinking I may be done trying the PBP Bloom formula by the end of this round. The one that's been getting it (OC1) still looks much like the control (OC3). The color is a bit different and so is the growth pattern. But it's close enough as to be inconsequential. It will be up to yield and taste, and I will only use the PBP if it is noticeably better, which I do not expect. --- The CO2 went empty last night, so I got a refill today at lunch. It's back in place and the ppms are back up to 1800. I also picked up a 1/4 hp submersible utility pump today. It's a Flotec FPSC1725X from Home Depot if anyone cares. It seems to do a great job. It comes with a hose adapter. I hooked a hose up, dropped in into my sump (had about 30 gal in it), drug the end out into the back yard, an plugged it in. It wasn't regular hose pressure, but it puts out a hose-size stream and if you spray with your thumb, you can throw a 12' spray or stream. It's supposed to pump 21 GPM with no head, and 19 GPM at a 5 foot head height (how high it has to pump the water upward). It emptied the sump in a couple minutes. I could put a basic sprinkler on the end and my yard would love it. On the other hand, it might atomize enough to gag the neighbors with the smell. ![]() Finally, I picked up a small hand truck and straps to lug the CO2 tank around with. That thing is hernia-heavy. I could swear I felt my intestines trying to pop through last time I dead-lifted it past 4 stairs. Never again. I'm too old for that crap. --- I decided to work up a list of the nutrients I use and provide a little detail, all in one spot. That way I can link to it in my signature, and anyone can then quickly jump there for reference. I'm going to be doing this with a few things going forward, including how-I-do-it posts. Give me a few minutes and I should have it done. Code:
Water for the cutlings.
--> MTO1:
1. Pre-flush: 1/2 gal.
Per gal:
1 T liquid bone meal
pH 6.21 @ 23.9 C
2. Feed: 1 gal.
Per gal:
2 t Soil Nute
2 t PGE
1 T Notrazyme
1 oz yucca
2 t Biggest Bloom
2 t liquid bone meal
2 t Feather Tea
1 oz Amino Blast
1/2 t Carbon sweet
1 t Cal-Mag
1 T Calcium Syrup
1 t Companion
Raise to 1230 ppm with Bioactive
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.24 @ 23.8 C
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I use these nutrients:
Harvest Moon Organics:
Other brands:
Also on hand:
--- You may notice that I'm pretty organic in my approach, and that I use as many different sources of the basic nutrients as I can. Lots of the guanos add to smell and taste, and don't change ppm much. I actually overlap on a lot of stuff. While I think I could simplify some, the more forms of the same nutrients I give the plants, the better I am told they will do. And I would say that sounds plausible. Plus this regimen yielded a crap-load of really good pot last time and I don't want to screw it up now. ![]() Anyway, this approach lets me really load the plants with minimal burn. In return I'm getting great growth. My mentor regularly pulls 12 oz per plant in his rooms, so it's kinda hard to argue, especially when the bud is as good as it is. I'm not too proud to take obviously good nutritional advice and just run with it. --- Maybe in the next one of these, I'll try to explain my feeding schedule.
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Well organized as usual and nicely put. Good to see u can still work in that jungle without messing things up. I have to be careful where I step, how I turn and everything. Lights above, pots and saucers below. I've step on a saucer rim and almost launched a pot.
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Code:
--> MTO2, Cutlings (*VEG*): 1. Feed: Water to saturation Per gal: 1 T Pure Blend Pro Grow .5 t Companion Add PBP to 800 ppm Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.25 @ 22.8 C Code:
--> OC5, MTN1, OC3, MTN2:
1. Pre-flush: 1/2 gal.
Per gal:
1 T liquid bone meal
pH 6.20 @ 23.4 C
2. Feed: 1 gal. ea.
Per gal:
2 T Budswel (0.01-0.10-0.01)
2 t PGE
1 T Notrazyme
1 oz yucca
2 t Biggest Bloom
2 t liquid bone meal
2 t Feather Tea
1 oz Amino Blast
1/2 t Carbon sweet
1 t Cal-Mag
1 T Calcium Syrup
1 t Companion
Raise to 1300 ppm with Bioactive
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.25 @ 22.7 C
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--> OC1:
1. Feed: 1.5 gal.
Total for 1.5 gal:
3 T Pure Blend Pro Bloom (1-4-5, soil and coco formula)
1.5 oz yucca
1.5 oz Amino Blast
1 t Carbon sweet
1.5 T Calcium Syrup
1.5 t Companion
Dilute to 1300 ppm
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.26 @ 22.5 C
--- I redid my aging res today. I keep water in a trash can with bubblers to age the water before I give it to my plants. Today I made some upgrades and solved a problem: Here is the base. It holds it off the floor for convenience: I bought a 44 gallon Rubbermaid Brute garbage can. It's a good size. I drilled a hole in the side and inserted a 3/4" (i.d.) bulkhead fitting that has threads on the female (outside of the res) side. I used a 1-1/8" hole saw for this. Just had to clean up the burrs after with a utility knife. Then I added a ball valve and a bend to make this: At the top I added some wide headed zinc plated screws to act as risers around the top rim. This prevents the lid from snapping in place and maintains a gap. This allows the res to breathe and the air lines can also snake through now without being pinched: I have two air bars in the bottom to aerate the water. They are the longer ones like this: The thing is, they are always turning upside down. It drives me nuts. Maybe the bubbling is fine that way, but I want them turned right side up anyway: I needed to find something inert that would keep them upright. No metal or wood. And then I had an inspiration - I could fix this with two of the same hangers I use for drying: Cut each of them right here: Cut on both 'shoulders' of both hangers, leaving you with two of these (toss the tops or whatever): Wedge one of the hanger pieces into the bottom at one end of a bar, like this: Here's another angle for clarity: Do this to both ends of both bars so that it makes a semi-rigid square, like this: Now it can drop into the bottom of the res and it won't flip over: See, it looks much better now: And here is the result. Later I will add a permanent filtered water feed with a ball valve and a float valve, so that it can fill itself. Right now it gives me fresh clean tap water with no chlorine, and it's easy to use: --- The Bloom room is at 79 F now. I'm beat but I want to see it working correctly.
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Thanks for the DIY porn!
That coat hanger solution for your air stones is excellent, thanks for sharing that. Our garage is so cluttered right now that I can hardly get near my grow corner. Maybe I'll make some headway this weekend. thanks for the inspiration bro!
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--- Just water for the cutlings tonight. --- The AC unit seems fine now. I was up past 2 o'clock in the morning, but I eventually cleared the ice and got it working well again. Just in case, however, the girls spent the last 5 hours of their 7pm-7am 'day' huddled under the one center 600W lamp. I turned the others off. I wanted to be sure it wouldn't all go to hell-in-a-handbasket again on me while I got 4-1/2 hours sleep before work. Gah. That was messed up by the way. In any case, all seemed well this morning, so right before I left for work I plugged in the other three lights so that they would all turn back on at 7pm. This evening when I got home I checked, and again at 7:30, and finally just now. The moisture is gone, everything is in working order and the AC is taking the full load with confidence. So the lesson is apparently that an AC running full blast indefinitely can lead to disaster. In the grow-control software I am writing, I need to make sure that no matter what, the AC is never allowed to run indefinitely. I would rather the temps climb a bit and everything stay working than have that thing ice over and the temps go through the roof like that again. Maybe it would be good to have a secondary AC that can be switched on while the primary thaws. I mean, now that I know not to leave the thermostats in programming mode (and I would be moving away from the things anyway), it's unlikely the AC would do that again. But it would be nice to be sure. I would also need to figure out a way for the system to sense the frost-up. I'll have to think it through. I do tend to take everything farther than necessary. It gets me in trouble sometimes. I should have known that a 25,000 btu AC was rank overkill for a sealed 730 cubic foot space. Now I know that (too much cold) + (too much wet) can take down even this AC unit. ![]() In any case, the AC is great again. Whew! Live and learn, I guess. The girls seem to be OK. They had good CO2 saturation to offset the heat a little.
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Everybody gets fed tonight. The cutlings are scheduled to be transplanted to larger digs tomorrow night.
Code:
--> MTO2, Cutlings (*VEG*): 1. Feed: Water to saturation Per gal: 1 T Pure Blend Pro Grow .5 t Companion Add PBP to 800 ppm Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.23 @ 22.7 C Code:
--> OC5, MTN1, OC3, MTN2, MTO1:
1. Pre-flush: 1/2 gal.
Per gal:
1 T liquid bone meal
6.20 @ 22.9 C
2. Feed: 1 gal. ea.
Per gal:
2 t Soil Nute
2 t PGE
1 T Notrazyme
1 oz yucca
2 t Biggest Bloom
2 t liquid bone meal
2 t Feather Tea
1 oz Amino Blast
1/2 t Carbon sweet
1 t Cal-Mag
1 T Calcium Syrup
1 t Companion
1350 ppm
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.20 @ 22.7 C
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--> OC1:
1. Feed: 1.5 gal.
Total for 1.5 gal:
3 T Pure Blend Pro Bloom (1-4-5, soil and coco formula)
1.5 oz yucca
1.5 oz Amino Blast
1 t Carbon sweet
1.5 T Calcium Syrup
1.5 t Companion
Dilute to 1350 ppm
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.21 @ 22.4 C
Well, due to recent efforts, it now looks like this: Those little blue bins on the right are being sorted, except the top one, which contains a good bit of my stash. ![]() The laptop that was in such bad shape was replaced with a widescreen LCD and a decent keyboard. Also I'm using a nice wireless mouse. I like it better now, except if you are too tall you can't see the monitor. It's only semi temporary anyway. It'll be just fine. The picture is stitched together from about 10 originals, so it has a few sloppy blurred ares. Good enough for my purposes though.
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:D what a lab!:D
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So tonight I transplanted the cutlings from 3.5'x3.5" pots to 4 gallon grow bags. I watered them in with myco, Bt-i and Bigfoot (1% kelp extract and 0.5% humic acid).
I bought one of those rubber keyboards you can roll up, etc. It's completely waterproof, which is good because I often type with dripping hands here in the grow space. It's a bit different to use than a normal keyboard, but I don't touch type, so I've gotten pretty used to it just typing this post. The only issue so far is that it doesn't always register my space bar usage. I'll give it some time and see how I like it. It was less than $13, so it's no great loss if I end up disliking it.
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Well, I took pictures, so I might as well post them.
Just so you get the idea, I've had these darlin's in these itty-bitty pots. There are five of these cutlings. They are all about 18" tall and healthy, like this one. But they need bigger pots, stat: To prepare, I made up 4 gal of pH 6.20 water with 9 tsp gnatrol granules, 4 Tbl Wonder Dust (myco), and 4 tsp Big Foot: I also have a spray bottle of balanced water: And the myco dust and a spoon: I add soil to the bottom, being sure to fill the corners and make a flat bottom. If I don't, the contents will shift with watering, sometimes in ways I don't want. I don't pack it too tight though: I then set the transplantee in on top. I want to see if the soil line on the old pot is about where I want it in the new one. I like to just cover the original soil: I gently squeeze the old pot a bit to loosen the soil a small amount. That way the old pot slips off easy. I then pour the loose perlite on the top into the trash. Finally, holding the base of the stalk between my middle and ring finger with my palm to the soil, I invert the plant and gently remove the pot. I took a blurry pic, but this one is root-bound. The roots are OK considering what they eat and how stressed they likely are: I spritz the roots with the water bottle, partly to keep the roots moist, and partly to help the myco dust stick. I dust all sides and the bottom with myco. I also dust the soil in the new pot where the root ball will sit. Here's a blurry pic of the dusted roots: I then set the plant into the new pot on the myco dust and hold the root ball in place with one hand while I backfill gently around the sides with the other. I try to just cover the original soil, as mentioned. I don't touch the roots and try not to disturb them. I also will bury it slightly tipped if it will leave it centered in the pot with a vertical stem. I then water in with 3/4 gal of the premixed water. I always re-stir well before watering, as the Bt-i granules will settle out pretty quickly: Afterward, I re-level the surface soil. Here's the 5 new ladies now: Their new designators are OC6, OC7, MTN3, MTN4, and MTO3. They will be in veg until the next round goes in all at once. OC = Orange Crush MTN = Matanuskan Thunderfuck (new pheno) MTO = Matanuskan Thunderfuck (old pheno) It's looking to be nothing but OC and Matty around here for the foreseeable future. I gotta do something about that.
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The roots look awesome (size and color). Using that myco dust promotes root growth or helps with shock? How big of a difference does that silencer make?
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Nice, shiftred names :D strain+number...
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Love the DIY airstone bit. Everything looks great here.
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The myco is good all around. It's all beneficial fungi, bacteria and microorganisms, and they like to live right around the roots. The plant benefits from the way they 'pre-digest' nutrients. The plant can use the nutrients the way they come, but after the myco eats them and then craps them out (etc), they nutrients are even more suitable. So they will help with growth both above and below the surface. On top of that, if you establish good myco colonies, they will out-compete the bad organisms and prevent rot and other bad stuff. The silencer does a good job. I plan to eventually have one one each side of the fan, with the fan itself packed in a box full of fiberglass insulation. Additionally, I'm going to change to the Sunleaves fan for this job - the plastic housing is plenty durable,and much quieter that the metal housing, hands-down. I have another setup like that, and the Sunleaves plastic housing is so quiet, I have to put my ear within an inch of the housing before I can hear the fan over the rushing air it's pumping out the end of the duct 4 feet over my head. With the metal casing, I can hear the fan itself over the sound of the air from several feet away. I try to use mostly what works, you know? I also plan to insulate it and duct it diagonally across the ceiling, flaring that to 8" or larger on the way to the exhaust end. Together, I would expect that would reduce the noise to just the sound of the air leaving the exhaust side. As it is, just having that one silencer on the exhaust side of the fan has reduced the decibel level by 40-50% IMO. I refer to them as identifiers. Each is unique to a plant. I will have more reason to track them individually as time goes on. I even have a 'register' where I track what IDs have been used. On the other hand, one of my own human offspring (who assists me enough that I throw $100 at them every few weeks) has come in and given them names, but they are too cumbersome to type. It's easier to use IDs, and also more informative. Currently, they have names as follows: MTN1 - Lydia MTN2 - Pavarti MTO1 - Lakshmi OC1 - Veena OC3 - Julia OC5 - Monster They don't get 'name' names like that until they hit bloom. ![]() Quote:
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--> MTO2 (*VEG*): 1. Feed: Water to saturation Per gal: 1 T Pure Blend Pro Grow .5 t Companion Add PBP to 800 ppm Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.20 @ 22.7 C Code:
--> OC5, MTN1, OC3, MTN2, MTO1:
1. Pre-flush: 1/2 gal.
Per gal:
1 T liquid bone meal
6.24 @ 22.7 C
2. Feed: 1 gal. ea.
Per gal:
2 T Budswel (0.01-0.10-0.01)
2 t PGE
1 T Notrazyme
1 oz yucca
2 t Biggest Bloom
2 t liquid bone meal
2 t Feather Tea
1 oz Amino Blast
1/2 t Carbon sweet
1 t Cal-Mag
1 T Calcium Syrup
1 t Companion
1300 ppm
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.24 @ 22.3 C
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--> OC1:
1. Feed: 1.5 gal.
Total for 1.5 gal:
3 T Pure Blend Pro Bloom (1-4-5, soil and coco formula)
1.5 oz yucca
1.5 oz Amino Blast
1 t Carbon sweet
1.5 T Calcium Syrup
1.5 t Companion
Dilute to 1300 ppm
Bring up with liquid lime to pH 6.24 @ 21.8 C
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So monster should be best xD
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