For all who want a card but..

[ilikebike]

how about people who lie to the doctors daily, to get op**tes? those people are addicted to the drug who dont use them for pain in any way and more to just abuse and/or sell them. its horrible that it happens but its just the cold hard truth

[tintala]

Originally Posted by ilikebike

how about people who lie to the doctors daily, to get o**ates? those people are addicted to the drug who dont use them for pain in any way and more to just abuse and/or sell them. its horrible that it happens but its just the cold hard truth

this thread wasn't about obtaining o**ates by lying to get a script.

[ilikebike]

Originally Posted by tintala

this thread wasn't about obtaining o**ates by lying to get a script.

no really?

i was making a comparison

[Hightide805]

Originally Posted by tintala

should just keep getting it from your dealer

so that you have to be around shady crooked people with guns and hard drugs? ...and have to associate yourself with them just to get a medicine

i called up the doctor and got an appointment in 4 days... looked at my papers and problems and did a medical diagnosis


but still... who's to say to who how it will help... if it helps in ANY way, whats the problem?

[ForbiddenAct]

Originally Posted by gared111

I was thinking about what you & others have said & you're right (mostly). I talked to a friend last night as well who informed me how easy it is to grow my own & for fairly inexpensive. I think that is my best route to go until more conditions are covered under "medical marijuana". Thanks for your input. I'll head over to the grow threads now :)

You are so right. And doctors also know it. There are enough seriously ill people in California and other states that really need this assistants from these doctors. You see cancer clinics being built every day. Behind those clinics doors, doctors are doing everything possible to treat and comfort these seriously ill patients. I can assure you many doctors would love to have more information/case studies on medical marijuana, and decide how to use it in their treatment plan.

When you approach Marijuana as a cure all for everything, your viewing it in a different context. Medical Marijuana laws are not intended for for the average ache, pain, or stress. When you refer to the average ache, pain or stress, your refering to the plant, in a way alcohol, tabacco, gambling, and prostitution (legal in some states) are used to relieve a persons symptoms. They are legal in some states/countries, and in others, they have yet to be viewed as a normal means for an individual to relieve the daily pressures of life.

A person who goes to a MMJ doctor, should be open to all types of treatment. Marijuana is not the cure all drug, and may not be the best choice for all patient. With a lot more case studies, it will be much easier for a doctor to understand how better to treat a patient.

The person who smokes every hour of the day for only the enjoyment of getting high, is the equivalent of the alcoholic, or the 2 pack a day cigarette smoker. Nothing good is to become of this person over the long term. At some point they will need to stop, or die.

If your one of those who enjoy smoking a couple hits a few times after work, please don't bother getting a MMJ Card. It is so much easier to just build a small grow room (I like the 2x2x 6 room), and grow your own.

If your worried about the law enforcement, join one of the many groups across the country, and help place politicians in positions that will legalize and decriminalizes marijuana for personal use. It takes people and money to get your canidate on the ballot. Its going to happen soon with everybodies help. I've heard of 18 year olds running for city mayor, and winning. Nothing is impossible if you work hard enough to get it done.

Breaking down the DEA's ability to schedule drugs is the next step needed in healthcare. This will happen by removing some of our elected officials from office, and replacing them with more qualified officials.

Who the hell runs the DEA anyway...a doctor or an FBI agent

[FreakNature]

Originally Posted by ForbiddenAct

A person who goes to a MMJ doctor, should be open to all types of treatment. Marijuana is not the cure all drug, and may not be the best choice for all patient. With a lot more case studies, it will be much easier for a doctor to understand how better to treat a patient.

I think a person who goes to a doctor willing to recommend Cannabis as medicine should only be open to those drugs he or she is comfortable with. Why should someone be open to narcotics for pain relief when he knows from experience that Cannabis is a safe and effective alternative? Many doctors hand out prescription medication samples given to them by large pharmaceutical companies (salesmen) to see if the drugs will mitigate the affects of physical or mental ailments. This is done without explaining the risks or side effects. Once a patient has started using these drugs he may find that the results and subsequent withdrawal symptoms can be more dangerous and troublesome than the original complaint. Cannabis does not have death as a potential side effect. Your comment about marijuana not being a cure-all drug is accurate, but scientific and anecdotal evidence suggest that it may be the closest thing we have.

The person who smokes every hour of the day for only the enjoyment of getting high, is the equivalent of the alcoholic, or the 2 pack a day cigarette smoker. Nothing good is to become of this person over the long term. At some point they will need to stop, or die.

Is this a moral judgment or an extrapolation of some previously undisclosed facts? What does this say, in your opinion, about a medical Cannabis user who will need relief all day every day for the rest of his life? Stop or die? What's the difference for a chronic recreational user? What evidence can you offer that using Cannabis all day every day will cause a person to fail ("no good is to become of this person"? I'm pretty sure that based on statistics there are millions of successful healthy people who get high on Cannabis all day every day.

[Medical75]

I have MS . I do understand chronic pain. I don't have a CARD but I wish I did. I guess if they don't change the laws out here I may move to a different state!!! As far as people trying to get the card that don't need it. Shame on you.

[Hightide805]

i'm just wondering why everyeone started smoking in the first place?

i mean if your still smoking after a while, its got to be doing SOMETHING to HELP you (depresion.. insomnia.. and ankle pain is what cannabis helps me with) or you would stop using it....

[oldman420]

good thread folks i am pleased at all of the valid open minded comments here.
i have smoked pot all day every day for the last 20 years and i am just fine thank you,
i am functiional and pay my bills as well as helping others with life threatening conditions feel a lil better, if this is "coming to no good" than i guess thats ok.
now regarding all of the stoners trying to get licences i can understand that they want the same protections and availability of strains as any body else. it like a dream come true for the average stoner like a 7-11 for pot.
does this make it right that the fraudulently get cards no
i think its the general gold rush attitude that is prevelant in the med industry thats the real problem, people who try to get rich off the backs of sick people are way worse than the iligitamate licenced users.
you despensary owners who charge 100- or more a quarter are the real problem. its rediculace to see some of the local co providers charging up to 600 an oz for meds.
the govt and local citizens see these folks for who they are, capitolist pigs that just want to make a buck and really dont care about the patient.
besides as someone pointed out in many states its a petty offence to posses pot but a felony to lie to the state to get a licence.
we need to get the medical mj movement out of the headlights of the feds ans these despensories are the biggist neon sign on the road.

bottom line is its about medicine for sick people
thats why i do it.
jerome

[Racefan]

Originally Posted by oldman420

good thread folks i am pleased at all of the valid open minded comments here.
i have smoked pot all day every day for the last 20 years and i am just fine thank you,
i am functiional and pay my bills as well as helping others with life threatening conditions feel a lil better, if this is "coming to no good" than i guess thats ok.
now regarding all of the stoners trying to get licences i can understand that they want the same protections and availability of strains as any body else. it like a dream come true for the average stoner like a 7-11 for pot.
does this make it right that the fraudulently get cards no
i think its the general gold rush attitude that is prevelant in the med industry thats the real problem, people who try to get rich off the backs of sick people are way worse than the iligitamate licenced users.
you despensary owners who charge 100- or more a quarter are the real problem. its rediculace to see some of the local co providers charging up to 600 an oz for meds.
the govt and local citizens see these folks for who they are, capitolist pigs that just want to make a buck and really dont care about the patient.
besides as someone pointed out in many states its a petty offence to posses pot but a felony to lie to the state to get a licence.
we need to get the medical mj movement out of the headlights of the feds ans these despensories are the biggist neon sign on the road.

bottom line is its about medicine for sick people
thats why i do it.
jerome

Well the mentch decision was suppose to stop the dispensaries ability to operate in the same fashion but from what I see, they are all operating in the same as before. Prop 215 was never suppose to be about making money off pot and your right that $600.00 a ounce is highway robbery when I can grow a ounce for $25.00. I can understand the clubs have expenses and overhead but do they need to cover a full days worth with each ounce sold? I stopped going to clubs. Two that I belonged to have been raided and I know my personal info was found in their records twice now. That's two times more than I like so I stopped taking that chance. So thankfully I'm spared that charge because I grow my own. I feel sorry for those who are forced to pay those charges or do without though.

[free2live]

You said it perfectly. This legalization thing is extremely precarious and needs to be handled with care and nothing but legitimacy. I moved to Alaska in 1988 when it was legal and then the good people of the state saw fit to put it on the ballot to make it illegal and no one came out to vote to keep it legal. Let's not treat this lightly ppl.

[i.play.4.keep]

Originally Posted by gared111

I use weed for pms & cramps (I'm allergic to the only other drug which is effective for me) which from what I understand is not a valid reason to obtain a card in the eyes of the law. This is bullshit so if I have to fake some other condition in order to get it then I will damn well do it. Just because you may have a so called "legitimate" need for it doesn't mean you are any more entitled to a card than I am or anyone else who wants one. Marijuana should be legal & if this is currently the only legal way to obtain it then more power to the people that go out & get one....regardless of their reason. Skirting this law is no different than skirting any other law which most everyone does.

Just my two cents.

Well put! If anything I would think the rapidly increasing number of patients would show the government that medical marijuana/ marijuana in general is a benefit to society.

[Malislamusrex]

I would love to pull out a card on the fuzz and say.

"move along officer this is my weed smoking card"

[BayAreaStoner]

Originally Posted by kittykiwi

Yeah...I think the "seriously ill" patient is a fine line. For example...I'm a diabetic with high cholesterol, endometreosis, PCOS, anemia, Insulin resistance, and have anxiety. I am on so many medications for being 24...it makes me nuts sometimes just to keep up with them. I take fortamet, vytorin, byetta (a shot twice a day), I-Car-C, wellbutrin, and sesonale on a daily basis. Some meds are twice a day and some are once. These meds help me alot, but they also can give me major nausea at any time. It's not specific it just happens out of the blue sometimes. Because I do not have a critical illness I would not be considered for a med card. The only thing they might consider is my anxiety. Marijuana is also linked to lowering metabolism, which would help many diabetic patients and also other patients with acute illnesses that go through similar symptoms could benefit from marijuana use as well. But the question is "who gets to decide what is and isn't considered for a med card?" The doctor or the government?

My dad is 3 times your age and you take the same as he does... for almost all the same things and he is also insulin resistant (allergic) so he has to take more meds to counter-act that, its hard. I have gotten my dad to eat a few ediables but nothing more cause he says he doesn't want to have the smoke in his lungs. So I started educating him about other ways to intake the THC (what he really needs) instead of ALL the pills. One or 2 is good but not as many as you and him take a day. And that Byetta shot too man. Im sorry to hear you are going through all this at such a young age, it's hard to see my dad go through it. Good Luck, and I am sure somewhere u should be able to get a MMJ card! Again I wish you good health!

[litteringand]

its pretty much a free for all in some Dr offices in Colorado. No records, basic story, you got a card. Seriously! and you know what, I'm on for the ride while I can. if the state is going to let it run wild for a while than fine. I do believe some regs in place to keep a lower profile is a good idea before it gets out of control but at this point thats up to the dispensaries and dr offices since there is very little law surrounding how they operate. lots of law about the card and whats legal but how the rest operates is still a big grey area in CO. this thread turned into a major bitch fest but that seems to be what half the shit on this website is about. cheers...