For all who want a card but..

[Flurple]

just throwin my 2 cents in this hot debate.

this is all grey area. i think everyone can come up with a legitimate reason to smoke. some of us get nervous in public or when we have to give a speech. others have chronic pain. millions of people have some form of depression. doctors still cant diagnose my back problem after 3 years and $10k+ in hospital bills.

yes if you are abusing the system it is bad for business. but if you have a problem that qualifies you for medical mj, no person other than a doctor and yourself can decide how sick you are and if you should use it

[merickson]

Originally Posted by Flurple

just throwin my 2 cents in this hot debate.

this is all grey area. i think everyone can come up with a legitimate reason to smoke. some of us get nervous in public or when we have to give a speech. others have chronic pain. millions of people have some form of depression. doctors still cant diagnose my back problem after 3 years and $10k+ in hospital bills.
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(Emphasis added)

If everyone has a legitimate reason to use medical cannabis, the implication is that everyone is sick.

I'm glad that you're getting medicine for your back.
My wife has a similar situation.

[Propa Gator]

I have a tupence, a jolly jolly tupence.

Marijuana is helpfull in so very many ways, and harmful in none.
Should be used as general tonic by all. Everyone, though some may be more needy than others.

They want to play silly A games with doling it out like it's some kind of scary stuff, don't buy into their bull ring.
Their rules lack honor, so disregarding them when possible costs none.

My two pennys.

[littlelil]

I have a chronic illness and they want documentation for the last 4 years and a recommendation from my doctor. I wanted one to be legal but here in NV if you get a licence you can't by legally. For me not so easy.
Maybe laws in other states make it easier for people but not here.

[ezzmoney]

Hope this isn't off topic. I just found out I have prostate cancer and its gonna have to come out. I assume there is going to be some major pain and the anxiety issues have allready come into play. Problem is my uroligist and primamry care doctors don't believe in medicinal MJ so I am going to have to find a doctor who does. Does anyone know of an medicinal MJ friendly doctor in the Modesto/Stockton/Sacramento area of California? I had an appt. with Medi Cann yesterday but after reading a few old posts on here I was concerned about their reputability. Does anyone know the current status of Medi Cann and their doctors. Its a $150 fee to get a card from them and I don't want to watste the money if law enforcement isn't going to recognize it as legitimate. Not to mention the legal repurcusions. I have been an MJ user on and off all my life but testing at work limits my use drastically to medicinal use so not many high times anymore :-( Thanks for any help anyone may be

[Masterkush]

Originally Posted by merickson

Sick people know who they are. So do stoners. I'm not going to gripe at folks who use MJ for "minor" medical uses having a card.

But those who fake symptoms, those who ask "what should I tell the doc", they know that they are faking it. Those people are making it harder for the real medicine seekers to get their medicine.

EXACTLY Well said... Makes it harder for us who really need the meds for inflamation, cancer, Diabetics such......

[Cateros]

Originally Posted by gared111

I use weed for pms & cramps (I'm allergic to the only other drug which is effective for me) which from what I understand is not a valid reason to obtain a card in the eyes of the law. This is bullshit so if I have to fake some other condition in order to get it then I will damn well do it. Just because you may have a so called "legitimate" need for it doesn't mean you are any more entitled to a card than I am or anyone else who wants one. Marijuana should be legal & if this is currently the only legal way to obtain it then more power to the people that go out & get one....regardless of their reason. Skirting this law is no different than skirting any other law which most everyone does.

Just my two cents.

So your saying that your pms and cramps are a valid reason to fake a condition to get your card while I who have been trying to get my MMJ card for 4 years now after being in a hit and run while walking from my car to the store to get milk which left me with my L3-L4 vertebrae and disk mis-shappen and compressed my L4-L5 shows Micro fractures and another compressed disc and finally my L5-S1 show a degenerative moderate size calicified disk protrusion with the L5 root cluster showing in the CT scan as exiting the spinal colum above the protrusion leaving a cluster of nerves pinched between the calcified protrusion and degenerating disc for the past 10 years my Dr has had me on 160mg of oxycontin/day Toradol for muscle spasms, Cessamet (one of thoes synthetic marijuana pills also known as nabilone) for nausea that is caused by the pain. And the past 2 years due to my feelings of complete uselessness as I can barely keep my home clean do laundry and cook my meals and then have to lie down and bear thru the rest of the day with a pain level of 3-5 out of 10 even with 160mg of oxycontin in me for pain relief. I now have developed a depression problem due to my limitations and am now having to take 40mg of paxil and also the fact that I am fairly limited in what I can do as I never know when the pain will become intolerable I have developed what I would consider cabin fever basically high anxiety due to not being able to get out and just do anything like take my kids to a theme park so this anxiety has the Dr put me on 4 .5mg clonazepam per day . But when I told him about a year ago the results that Marijuana have given me for pain relief as well as helping with depression and anxiety instead of just saying he doesnt believe in its medicinal properties and saying he wont prescribe it he decided that I was just wanting to get high so he decided to stop prescribing me oxycontin and refered me to a methadone clinic as he said that methadone is a long lasting and powerful pain reliever without any narcotic side effects. Well with all this having happend to me with a legitimate problem all I can say is if you feel your pms and cramps are so bad you need to fake a condition to get marijuana! I personally think you should just be given a hysterectomy and then you wont have to worry about cramps and pms but to think that its okay to fake a condition and add to the percentage of card holders who obtained there exemption thru fraud you are only helping the govt prove that Medicinal Marijuana is a program to open to abuse . But when a person Like myself and many others who live with pain so severe that the thought of a bullet to the brain to end the pain has become actually appealing have to read how for a condition that lasts for what 5-7 days of every month until you reach menopause makes you think you have a good enough reason to use MMJ compared to those of us who live with severe pain 24/7 365days a year and more then likely will last till the day we die and in most cases just become worse over time, I say for them and myself you make me sick.

[Cateros]

Originally Posted by gared111

Perhaps cramps falls under "chronic pain"...I'll have to look into that. Men don't suffer from those so you have no idea what they are like. Fucking painful! I'd do just about anything to rid myself of those.

Well if you will do anything almost talk to your gynecologist about a Tubal Ligation basically they put you out and insert a ballon like object into your uterus which has a heating element wich heats up and coterizes the lining of your uterus wich will thin out the build up of debris between periods as well as Lowering pain from cramps by 10-20x as well as making your period last 1-3 days in most cases. I only know about this as my wife suffered from severe cramping from her cycle and after her first tubal ligation which has to be done about every 5 years to remain effective but in my wife's case the one treatment was enough as she is now in her mid 40;s and approaching menopause so cramps wont be a problem for her in the near future.

But the point is there is another treatment available and unless you have exhausted all treatments or your Dr feels that any other possible treatments would not be effective or appropriate then MMJ would be a reasonable option but with all cases you have to try everything else before they will allow you to use the most cutting edge and controversial treatments. As for me I have a spinal cord injury which after 9 years of treatment my pain specialist reccomendation was my injury would not benefit from aggressive treatment (surgery)he reccomended Physiotherapy which I went through for 6 months and his oppinion was if the physio did not improve my condition then I would need to be referred to a Pain management Clininc for long term pharmaceutical treatment.

But after 9 years of doing everything the DR's suggested wich was a prescription for 160mg of oxycontin /day and 90 oxycocet per month for breakthru pain, 50mg Toradol (muscle relaxants) also Naproxen,Arthrotec and celebrex when I brought up that marijuana actually has worked better for me for pain and muscle spasms when I eat it I was suddenly taken off the opiates that were no problem for 3 years and suddenly reccomended for methadone maintenance for pain treatment as the Dr explained it is longer lasting and was originally created to be a more powerful pain killer then morphine without the narcotic effects but is a far more addictive and Dangerous drug then oxycontin as it is possible to go cold turkey from oxycontin but going cold turkey from methadone can be life threatening.

So bascially I feel if a person has a problem that MMJ relieves then it should be prescribed only all other treatments have been either tried or discussed and found to be innapropriate. So IMO once you have tried everything else if mmj is the only thing that works then go for it. The best part of thinking this way is given enough time DR's will figure out it is the best medicine for over 200 conditions and will probably become the most widely used medicine in the world again like it was before the creation of the big pharmaceutical companies who have no intrest in seeing a plant that anyone can grow replacing all there expensive drugs. Well unless they get smart and figure out that they can make money by creating a lab where they can cross breed and genetically examine every strain to figure out how to make a super plant that they could sell over the counter as a seed for there customers to grow.

I would look at it this way its like medicine that not every pill will work as not all seeds are viable by nature and if they make it an autoflowering strain and feminised then they have a market where nobody can just buy once clone there product and only need to buy more if there is a catastrophe in the grow room.

Maybe once pharmaceutical companies realize they could sell 30 seeds for 100$ and the cost of creating them once the initial plants breeding has been completed manufacturing would require a large clean room to grow plants for seed. When you consider the cost of growing say 200 plants for bud in a home grow the costs of growing for seeds would be far easier and cheap enough when you consider the enormous amount of seeds you would get if you got 200 female plants fully seeded I imagine the yield would be at least 2 thousand seeds per plant and at $100 for 30 seeds the profit turn over would be huge. I only bring all this up as I truly believe that if a pharmecutical company could be brought on board with this Idea and they could see that by just tending a large warehouse of plants for seed could make massive profits then the end of the road to legalization would be insight as if the big companys could see the massive profits they could make from a plant they would suddenly start producing the info they more then likely already have on how safe ,effective and non harmful of a medication it truly is . Lets face it in this day and age penicilian wouldnt never have been licenced when you consider the research that went into its creation I believe it was 6 trial patients and it was licenced.

[BWC BayArea]

U ever consider moving stateside? It may change ur life and quality of life. Just as Americans have married Cannucks for health care benefits or Somalian refugees migrated to Germany and were granted refuge and socialized health services, u can do something other than stick with ur doc whose pushin all those pills on u. Dunno bout Canada, but in the US some doctors get kickbacks for prescribing meds from big pharmaceutical corporations. U can't put that much trust in em, almost every one's out for a buck. Honestly why are u so concerned with the law if ur suffering so much, do for self. Whatever u deem necessary...DO IT. Although I feel for u and ur situation, the hysterectomy comment was very harsh. I can understand ur frustration but that was unnecessary. Its documented throughout history that women of various ethnicities have used cannabis for symptoms of menstruation from royalty to tribal women across the globe.
Also, if u choose to make the move stateside, that could very well be the 1st step in re-taking control of ur life. My point of all of this is U have to do what U have to do. Its called self preservation. I know I come 1st over all others in my life (I don't have kids). If she had to fake an illness for the benfit of another condition that's her business. If it comes down to it she'll have to deal with the consequences. Us Californians along with 13 other states break federal law daily, its called civil disobedience. Cannabis is still federally illegal here. Point being gared111 did what she had to do and I feel u should as well. People take advantage of government programs and defraud varies agencies daily. This stops nothing here in the states (as far as I can tell). What have u got to loose Cateros? Take control of ur life so U can enjoy raising ur children once again. and blessings.

[Cateros]

Well main thing is in Canada its actually a federal program so its actually completely legal once u can get a DR's Signature on the forms but it has taken me 4 years to finally track one down who is willing to prescribe mmj for chronic pain as in canada spinal cord injury is a categorie 1 condition so only requires a GP to sign off that the patient meets the requirements such as tried other treatments and they arent appropriate and has a condition wich meet criteria they lay out at health canada both of wich I meet with ease. The problem has been finding a DR as I said when I first brought up mmj as a treatment instead of oxycontin percocets toradol and arthrotec instead of just saying he doesnt believe it has any medicinal use he says he thinks the length of time I have been on the opiates now has made me dependant and I am just looking for a high now so he put me on methadone and as my levl of pain is unberable I had no choice but to take this inferior and much more dangerous and addictive synthetic opiate as there was no way I could function at all with no pain management well there was always tylenol 1 with codeing over the counter but my liver would have exploded in 6 months if I had been reduced to them. But luckily on Feb 4 2010 I finally have an appt with a pain specialist who does prescribe medicinal marijuana his office manager when she set up the appt asked what my condition was and I explained chronic back pain due to an injury to the spine and she told me he could help me with opiates or medicinal marijuana to which I said of course I am wanting to go to medicinal marijuana and get rid of the methadone and other meds I have been put on to help me with pain and do nothing for me. Also just because I tell everyone this Methadone also rots your teeth before I started taking it because of my DR I had a total of 5 fillings 2 years later I have had to have all my teeth removed it seemed the enamal coating of my teeth had been stripped away and my teeth were like hollow shells so if you know anyone who is considering it as a pain treatment warn them of this side effect as the Dr;s wont as there is evidence that heavy opioid users who chew there meds also will have the same problem but thing is almost everyone who is on methadone for pain relief has also been on oxycontin and other opioids as well so its kind of hard to set a baseline as not many people will volunteer to take a highly addictive and dangerous med for a year or so so scientists can examine there teeth. You know it really makes you wonder when you have a govt which would prefer you were put on highly addictive opiate pain relievers which have killed a lot of people due to overdose. Or have you take a synthetic pain killer that is even more addictive then the other opiates but has no narcotic high this is preferable to a substance that actually relieve the pain allows the person to be much more mobile and active also getting them off of opiate meds which have far more intoxicating effects then marijuana or having them take methadone which although doesnt have narcotic side effects it does cause sudden drowsiness or the nods where you can fall asleep at anytime wich makes driving dnagerous. Amd even with all this knowledge of how addictive and dangerous opiate meds are they know that cannabis is just as effective may have a narcotic high but it isnt an overwhelming experience that has its patients nodding off in mid sentance. Instead once you know your dose its easy to take just enough to relieve the pain and remain in complete control of your mental and physical faclties. It just makes you wonder why they think this is preferable to those of use who suffer from chronic pain and muscle spasms that our choices are almost always get hooked on oxycontins and become a junkie or get hooked on methadone which just barely makes my pain liveable and also has a few side effects that arent usually mentioned like how it makes you nod off like oxycontin and other opiates is more addictive then all the other opiates put together. Instead they are worried that we want to use an herb that is in no way physically addicting but it is habitualizing which for a chronic pain sufferer who will be using it for a long time would just look like taking your meds when its time. At least the govmt has caught up and will allow it but DR;s should be forced to take a seminar on the use of this herb as most of the Dr;s i have ever met only prescribe what pharmecutical companies prescribe there should be some sort of mandatory update in the training informing them that if a patient is facing a choice of having to take a medication with strong dependancy developing side effects when they are having to take it for a indeterminate length of time . Or the choice of using a drug wich has been determined to be the most theraputically active pharmecutical in existence by the us D.E.A's own judge you would think its time to let patients decide wether they want to take the chance of becoming opium junkies or not which is pretty much guaranteed if you are going to have to take them for more then 6 months.

[BWC BayArea]

Damn. For it to be federally legal they sure send u thru the wringer. I have legit health and mental complications. Some have been with me so long that they feel normal. I didn't even get an exam or bring in my medication or medical records and got my recommendation. If u have to go thru all of that my friend, I still would like u to at least consider the thought of the benefits (as well as what U'd be giving up) moving stateside. As far as the teeth thing goes, i've seen similar symptoms in methamphetamine addicts, hence the term "meth mouth". I just don't understand how ur government legalizes something and makes it difficult to obtain, I mean what's the point? Good luck to u Cateros, whatever u decide.

[MeanBean]

Originally Posted by tintala

I hate reading here about ppl who want this card and don't really need it. SHAME ON YOU and I hope you never get a card!

UM excuse me Medical MJ users but I think you need to just chll out. If it wasnt for us recreational smokers fightning for mj you wouldnt even know of the potential.

We are finnaly getting somwhere. Now that your sick and want to smoke mj you want the rest of the world to stop and make it easier for you?

Shame on you for taking over our natural herb and treating it like a perscribed drug...

Shame on you for claiming ownership of our plant and growing techs that we have worked on and handed down over the genarations.

We have shared this great plant to medical users, this is how they react.

[BWC BayArea]

Originally Posted by MeanBean

UM excuse me Medical MJ users but I think you need to just chll out. If it wasnt for us recreational smokers fightning for mj you wouldnt even know of the potential.

Well MeanBean all I can say is this.Take a look at the title of the forum ur posting in and try again. While I can respect ur right to have and express ur opinion. I'd like to ask if u can't add to the value/substance of this conversation/thead, just kick back and read. U might learn something new. I do it everyday.

[Cateros]

All I am saying is that those people who fake a medical condition to get there MMJ exemption are just going to set back the legitimate use of medicinal marijuana as well as give the govt fuel to throw on there fire against legalization. Think of it this way they give out cards and act as if thought they beleive you are as sick as you claim then they do what workers compensation does and send investigators to just check up on you take pictures etc the exact same thing they do to prove someone is scamming workers comp. So they do this till they have a big enough pile of fake cases and then they use it as ammunition to just say marijuana is obviously illegal look at the numbers of people faking illness to get a prescription wich is what happens with drugs like oxycontin so they get all this proof that people will lie cheat steal to get there exemption so it must be addictive and a problem so these fakers set back the legitimate medicinal users as well as the entire legalization movement because it just makes it look like pot users will do do just about anything to get it . So if you dont have a legitimate medical reason for it then you should make do with having to continue to use it illegally untill it is legalized wich will happen sooner or later In my opinion I think it will be legal within the next 5-10 years. In fact here in canada I believe it will become legal before most other countries in the world in fact I believe we were very close a few years back as i remember some american politician coming to canada because there was a motion towards legalizaton and this us politician came here to tell us that if we did legalize then they would have to institute more severe border waits for cartage companies shipping goods to the us. Basically they tld our govt that if we legalized cannabis we were in essence making it legal to ship poison into the us, which is rather funny when you consider that probably 75% of all cigarettes in canada originate in the us and if you tell the us you dont want there tobacco in your country they will in essence go to war with your country economically with trade embargos etc etc. Personally I think the legalization of cannabis should be legal to grow for personal use and legal to posses for personal but you cant take it out of your residence and if your caught transporting it major fine. The other part of legalization I think should be a yearly licence of say 75-100$ a year to be able to grow your own supply

[littlelil]