Feminized Seeds?

[SpeesCees]

So my advice would be...don't believe in Herma's and/or " Feminized " seed .
Feminized seed did come forwards by using different methodes to stress the plants, but it's all coming to the same >> The Factor herma will stay <<

[SpeesCees]

By the way....sorry about my poor english.

[Urdedpal]

I brought Racefan into grow support because he is one of the most knowledgeable growers on this site. We are all novice growers here compared to you bro. Creating a female seed and understanding how to do this is not very common info but kinda a grey area laced with a lot of myths. Your a breeder, a different type of person and you have a extensive background. Most of us here grow 1 to 12 plants at a time and learn from people like you but the fem seed stories that are out there are very misleading. Feminized seeds are what most seed dealers put out on the market and they really like to up the hype on them (make them sound better than what they are). They even sell them at higher prices making the beginner think its better.
I personally think hermies are bad and would always remove them. I grow bud not seeds and most (99%) seeds from a hermie will produce more hermies.

[Urdedpal]

Ed is a business man. Business men make money off other peoples labors.
Ed has promoted alot of awareness for the mj cause and has made alot of money doiing it I guess. I prefer Mel Franks books and Greg Green's. I own a number of mj grow books and even bought one of Ed's. Its my least favorate.
Most of the books give the same info but there are enough differences that I do try to read between the lines.

[MadameCrash]

Hi SpeesCees... I was told that using a collodial silver spray will reverse plants and create feminized seeds.. now would those seeds be 100% female or will they carry the hermi trait?

Peace
MC

Note.. I really don't like messing with feminized seeds. I prefer to do things the natural way... using regular seeds and sorting out the males from the females... but I do have one plant that I want to make more seeds of but cannot get a male of the same strain to breed it with... any suggestions?

[Urdedpal]

Cross it with a similar strain and back cross it back to the original plant?
Heard this can take a while like a few plant generations.
(You are asking the right person because I have little to no breeding skills. Just what I know from what I read.

[Racefan]

Originally Posted by Urdedpal

I brought Racefan into grow support because he is one of the most knowledgeable growers on this site. We are all novice growers here compared to you bro. Creating a female seed and understanding how to do this is not very common info but kinda a grey area laced with a lot of myths. Your a breeder, a different type of person and you have a extensive background. Most of us here grow 1 to 12 plants at a time and learn from people like you but the fem seed stories that are out there are very misleading. Feminized seeds are what most seed dealers put out on the market and they really like to up the hype on them (make them sound better than what they are). They even sell them at higher prices making the beginner think its better.
I personally think hermies are bad and would always remove them. I grow bud not seeds and most (99%) seeds from a hermie will produce more hermies.

Thanks for the props urdedpal but maybe grow support is too advanced for me. Something I need to think about. I will definately be changing the way I answer questions now. That's for sure.

I myself only want to grow enough quality bud to keep myself and my girlfriend in meds. I have no problems doing this with random seeds and cloning the plants I like. My goal these last fews years has been to help others do exactly the same thing. Nothing more. If anyone wants to grow commercially or have huge gardens then they need to contact a expert. I've said all along that I am still learning about cannabis and that my knowledge is limited compared to all the knowledge available out there. I don't claim to be a expert, only fools do that.

I'm sorry for believing what was written by a well respected breeder. I was under the impression that Soma and high times would research their facts and not print misleading or unfactual information. Now I find out that their article is supposedly all crap and all wrong. How was I suppose to know this? When searching out information on topics I am unfamiliar with I have no choice but to read about and it. What to read and believe is now the question. Wading through all the information in the cannabis world is like wading through the pacific ocean. It gets deep real fast and it's real easy to get in over your head.

[Urdedpal]

Amen brother, I am right there with you. I always strive to get better and learn more and this includes life as well as cannabis.
(Try to also remember that his english is limited and that causes translations to sometimes come out rudely.)
You will be the next grow mod soon too. After all, you do know a little more than me as of right now LOL.

[SpeesCees]

Note.. I really don't like messing with feminized seeds. I prefer to do things the natural way... using regular seeds and sorting out the males from the females... but I do have one plant that I want to make more seeds of but cannot get a male of the same strain to breed it with... any suggestions?

The best you can do is making a few clones out of her M.C., to start !
Take just one good clone if she's already producing flowering hormone.
Put it directly back on 20 hours light and let her come back in a veg state.
Ones she's that far that she did start to make grow hormones again, you are able to take a few clones again. THAT will give you time to find seed of the same strain. Sure...it's easy to take seed from her....just put her back for 5 days under 20 hours light after she was already start flowering and you may become almost quarantied a few male flowers. In fact ANY real stress will let her produce some male flowers to protect herself for not being able to have birth of seed. That's in Cannabis her nature, a pure natural effect.
But be aware....seed out of herma's wil take the herma factor stronger with her as regular seed. So.....what left is....find seed of the same strain and make sure you have some clones during that time.
Or that is all wearth it...that's the question M.C.

As far I know....you shouldn't worry and take your lost for one time. I've heart that the Christmisman is bringing you something nice.
Or was that a dream ?

Sorry for my poor english guys.

Stay cool, high and take time to fly !

[mr.mike]

Hey, MC....

Try the silver nitrate solution tech, NOT colloidal, as it's no where near the same.

Keep it to about 100ppm, or a little less.

It will make 100% FEMALE, not "feminized" seeds, and because of the genetics of potency, the THC level will remain the same.

And you can spray the solution on just a couple of branches to get seeds only there...

Peruse the scientific paper, and maybe even some of the references in it, you'll learn alot.

[SpeesCees]

Re: Feminized Seed
Hey, MC....
Try the silver nitrate solution tech, NOT colloidal, as it's no where near the same.
Keep it to about 100ppm, or a little less.
It will make 100% FEMALE, not "feminized" seeds, and because of the genetics of potency, the THC level will remain the same.
And you can spray the solution on just a couple of branches to get seeds only there...
Peruse the scientific paper, and maybe even some of the references in it, you'll learn alot.

Do You even have ANY idea what you're talking about Mike ?
Did you check out "the silver nitrate solution tech", or did you also just read it ?
IF that would work....we were already for Years working with only female seed instead of clones and feminized seed !
If you advise people, you should have tested it out in a clean way, and at least you should know where "silver nitrate" is standing for !
Two things are for sure :
A/ Silver nitrate isn't to find in the plant by nature. ( like gibberrellic acid)
B/ It will give you Feminized seed instead of female seed.

A lot of seed banks are advertizing with female seed and then they make a note like : Just 1 or 2% may turn out as male !?!?
What they sell is FEMINIZED instead of FEMALE seed.

In a few days a contest will start here on this forum. ( they are busy to give it the right form) Going with this contest you will become on nthis forum all questions answered about the difference between female and feminized seed.
Stay tuned on this 420forum because you may win 1 of the 10 packs with each 100 top seeds.

Stay cool, high and take time to fly.

[mr.mike]

And now a word from our "sponsor" ...."Please, buy my crap....erm, I mean fertilizer..."

Back to our program...

Yup, know ALL about the AgNO3 tech, tried a few times, sure, made the plants a little black, when I used too much, but they quickly recovered, NONE died.

And another thing, it DEFINITELY gives only FEMALE seeds. This is for SURE, as in tested, proven.

Some others using the technique by Moham et al.:

Genetics, Vol. 163, 335-346, January 2003, Copyright © 2003

The Inheritance of Chemical Phenotype in Cannabis sativa L.
Etienne P. M. de Meijer, Manuela Bagatta, Andrea Carboni, Paola Crucitti, V. M. Cristiana Moliterni, Paolo Ranalli, and Giuseppe Mandolino

Here's a piece from their paper:
"An individual from each clone was partially sex reversed according to the procedure described by MOHAN RAM and SETT 1982 Down and allowed to self-pollinate in isolation. In many cases it was possible to collect sufficient viable seed to constitute a first-generation inbred line (S1), which was completely female and showing the same chemotype as the parental clone"

(Of course, they could be lying so they could sell their seeds and other products, a practice all too common in Cannabis forums)

Now, who knows better, scientists working with techniques PROVEN and PEER REVIEWED by other scientists, then submitting their own experiments to other PEER REVIEWED and RESPECTED journals....

or you, some guy posting to sell his stuff. I'd have to postulate that asking YOU about feminized seeds is akin to asking the taxi driver if I should take the bus.

[MadameCrash]

Mr. Mike.... Thank you very much for the information.

I also wanted to say that Cees is much respected by growers, breeders, and seed vendors alike around the world for his extensive experience with Cannabis.... Santa Maria is known worldwide - every review you can find on it is positively GLOWING.

Yes he is a business man and yes, he is trying to promote his products...

But Long before SpeesCees was ever a sponsor here at 420times I purchased some of his seeds and fertilizer - and they performed spectacularly - and I was a complete noob at the time. IMHO - and to many other growers worldwide - iit's pretty clear Cees KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.

Now... if Cees will part with that one little secret about the PPM's for the gibberrellic acid spray........Lol..... I have a bottle of gibberrellic acid concentrate sitting on my nute shelf just waiting to be experimented with...

Peace
MC

[highlifeisdalif]

did you get your info? how am i winning seeds?