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    How tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    Iíve asked this question before and i know there is not exact answer so I am hoping for a little speculation from the experts. If just harvested some of my first grow and i notice the bottom of the plant was really useless. I see why the SOG would be so desirable. So I want to try it. what i want to know is how tall should i let my clone get before flowering to get 1 ounce per plant(If thatís possible). I intend to trim the bottom 1/3 of the plant at week 1 and three and i hopefully will harvest on big cola at least an ounce. Any suggestions? Also it will be a 600 watt in soil and white widow. Ok one other question. i recorded the height at flowering of my last grow. If i weigh the cola of a finished plant will that give me an indication of what to expect on the new trimmed plants or will it be bigger or smaller?

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    i suggest at a minimum of 6 - 8 inches.Sea of green helps out due to the fact that the lollypopping technique increases light penetration. my suggestion is that if your planning on getting more clones from your ladies. then pick a few lower branches in your set up to make as clones and let them grow to a nice size.(6-8inches if you can)that way when thier ready you can veg them for a max. of 2 weeks, then flower. This is the idea behind s.o.g. or you can straight flower from clone. this will cut your wait time til harvest.
    AS far as wieghing the plant. I suggest taking notes, that way you have something to reference back to for your next grow. I would use something like this:

    STRAIN : ?
    Age Dried At : ?
    Weight Wet : ?
    Weight Dry : ?
    Time Dried : ?
    Time Cured : ?
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    Final Wieght : ?

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    this is the best information ive had so thanks. so your saying let them grow to 6 inchs then veg for 2 weeks or let them grow till 6 inches and then flower? I am going with floweing them at 6 inches which they have just reached today. also i am pretty sure that cutting from my mothers are shorter then they should be they ar all about 1 1/2 inchs long when i cut them. i just dont have big brancehs. thanks again Butcher!!

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    i suggest to flower no shorter then 6 inches, but thats only if you doin sea of green. thats 4 plant per square foot.But if you want to veg then 2 more weeks then you can.ii like vegin em to 12 inches.so that i can cola them. if you need any more info hit me up anytime. igf you need reference points i got a milliion of em with picts.

    oh yeah dont forget to take into consideration that sativa dominite strains tend to strench up to 3 time thier size. but some strains i've grown dont stretch more then 3 inches so just keep that in mind.

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    ok butcher heres a couple of questions. If i veg to 12 inches what might be the yeald per plant also at 6 inches? also if i veg to 12 inches will i still be able to cram 4 per sq foot with trimed bottom 1/3 of the plants in a SOG? and wiil one gallon pot be sufficant?

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    well depending on the lighting penetration and strainis how thw outcome will be determined. 12 inches can yield half an ounce thats optimal.its really hard to say though. i use kushstrains dur to the fact that they rend to dense up nicely and bulk up the las 2-3 weeks.i always shoot for half ounce plants that way anything after that is a plus. as far as 6 inch plants its just its hard to say. it really comes down to genetics. if your sativa dominite. if you flower at 6 inches then they will more then likely finish at least 10-12 inches easly.

    If you check out my grow on my link you can see i'm using 1 gallon pots for some soil plants.and i'm going with 4 per sq. ft. myself.

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    ok, i am gonna flower some wehn the reach 6 inches and then some when they reach 12. i expect ill have some 1 footers and som 2 footers at teh time of harvest
    i already put in the 6 inchers now i will wait till the others get to 12
    i hope to get at least a half ounce one each plant like u said. 10 wees should tell. chould you look at this post and give me a little advice on this one ? Sativa domanant WW. why wont Buds fill out? pic

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    wel if thier in 10 weeks of flowering and thats them i would definetly wait on them. 1. you waited 10 weeks.2. white widow dows tend to fatten up the last couple weeks.

    yeah you got a sativa dominite pheno of white widow. they look good, so all you can really do is let them do thier thing. you've been very patient up to this point,let it go the full way and she want dissapoint you.oh, one thing with the clones your flowering did you give them a chance to settle into thier nwew home of did you flower them from the go.

    the pict on my avitar is a clone that went into straight flowering, and remember half ounce a plant is what to shoot for.thats always my goal.sometimes i shoot WAY over sometimes UNDER. but all harvest are good harvest cause its free smoke.

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    thanks again buddy

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    Gilly,
    you'll like this.This i did so we can have a documentation of what happens.
    In my journal i measured 2 plants, one in soil and the other hydro. They are both 6 inches in hieght.The girls are established in thier surroundings, but i did this so we can see what a clone can produce when started at 6 inches.Peep it out and Stay tuned.

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    so this harvest came out to around 1/2 ounce per plant on aveage i was hoping for double that. each plant took up one square foot and this time i am going to do 4 times as much in the same area. i would be happy if i could pull and ounce or more in 1 sq foot

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    Quote Originally Posted by The Butcher View Post
    i suggest to flower no shorter then 6 inches, but thats only if you doin sea of green. thats 4 plant per square foot.But if you want to veg then 2 more weeks then you can.ii like vegin em to 12 inches.so that i can cola them. if you need any more info hit me up anytime. igf you need reference points i got a milliion of em with picts.

    oh yeah dont forget to take into consideration that sativa dominite strains tend to strench up to 3 time thier size. but some strains i've grown dont stretch more then 3 inches so just keep that in mind.
    I am getting all my first grow going and am going with clones as well just wondering how long can a mother plant be kept in veg cycle for cloning and about how many mothers will i need at what size to be able to keep a 4 x 4 ebb and flood table table filled with 35-40 plants? My doseage is 8.5 grams per day so by canadian licence regulations I will be able to grow 45 plants at any one time but due to the way they have things set up they include mother plants as part of the 45 max not just the flowering plants .. So basiclly I am planning on growing 5 different strains all which flower in about the same time and grow to equal height .. will 5 mothers be enough to fill the table with 35-40 plants in Sog configuration? If less mothers could be kept I dont mind changing things up every few grows and starting some new strains. As when My licence arrives from Health canada it will come as well with 90 seed from there crop in flin flon manitoba which is a sativa /indica cross with an average thc % between 11-14% so a moderate strength strain which can rarely get to 18%+ for some real pleasent surprises from what i was told 1 in every 15 gets close to the 20% level.

    So I am planning on keeping at least one of these as a mother but am sending away for

    1 10 feminised L.s.D seeds from barneys farm thc 24%+ 1.3% cbd 600g/m2
    2 10 arjans ultra haze feminised 21.6%thc and produces 900g/m2
    3 10 purple haze feminised 22%thc .3% cbd 500g/m2
    4 blueberry feminised 19.5% thc 450-600g/m2
    5 ak feminised 15%+ 350-450g/m2



    So any info on how long I should keep a mother for before growing up a new seedling to motherhood or a clone to motherhood would be great also for my mother room all I have is a 3 foot deep by 30'wide by 7feet tall closet wich can have shelves adjusted to give me 2 spaces for mothers

    2.5' wide x 3' deep x 3.5' height should this be enough room for 4 -6 mothers and will 2 2'x3' flourescent 4 bulb balasts holding 4 55what blue white bulbs be sufficient to get me thicker foliage growth for cloning i.e will I be able to get 35-40 clones from what I am proposing for my mother room
    and will there be any room to bring rooted clones in here while waiting for current grow to finish? any suggestion on how to get best use out of these spaces is greatly welcomed would prefer it if i could keep 3 moms in the bottom and use top to get clones to 4" inches minimum before moving to my table where they will be under a 1000w mh for 2 weeks then switch to 1k hps with consideration of adding a 150w metal halide wich i will move each day from one side of table to other to promote maximum growth using tying once foliage is as dense as possible while still alowing all braches to get equal light ill remove the metal halide.

    For ventilation I was planning on using a 125cfm exhaust fan and 3 muffin fans 2 to bring air into the room 1 for blowing air across the hps light also will have a good room fan to stimulate movement to strengthen the plants up . oh should mention the exhaust I was thinking of is for a rooms floor space is
    L shape dimensions of walls are 7.5 x 7' x 5' x 3' x 2.5' height is 7 feet
    so basically picture a 7.5'l x 7'w x 7'h room with a bathtub on one side that is 5x3 the closet is along same wall. So I plan to put a 5'x 4' sheet of plywood over the tub and place my 4' x 4' ebb and flood on it with the resevoir under the the playwood overhang. originally i considered using a 600w hps bulb balast and reflector with a mh conversion for 2 weeks of veg. But was told that it might be a bit weak and was recommended that for 50$ more i can have a hortilux 1k hps with a 1k mh so its opinion time wich setup will get me the best yield for the space.

    600w mh conversion 2 weeks at 18/6 switch to 600w hps and a 150w mh that i will rotate around table

    or

    the 1k mh for 2 weeks at 18/6 then switch to straight 1k hps?

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    Quote Originally Posted by Cateros View Post
    I am getting all my first grow going and am going with clones as well just wondering how long can a mother plant be kept in veg cycle for cloning and about how many mothers will i need at what size to be able to keep a 4 x 4 ebb and flood table table filled with 35-40 plants? My doseage is 8.5 grams per day so by canadian licence regulations I will be able to grow 45 plants at any one time but due to the way they have things set up they include mother plants as part of the 45 max not just the flowering plants .. So basiclly I am planning on growing 5 different strains all which flower in about the same time and grow to equal height .. will 5 mothers be enough to fill the table with 35-40 plants in Sog configuration? If less mothers could be kept I dont mind changing things up every few grows and starting some new strains. As when My licence arrives from Health canada it will come as well with 90 seed from there crop in flin flon manitoba which is a sativa /indica cross with an average thc % between 11-14% so a moderate strength strain which can rarely get to 18%+ for some real pleasent surprises from what i was told 1 in every 15 gets close to the 20% level.

    So I am planning on keeping at least one of these as a mother but am sending away for

    1 10 feminised L.s.D seeds from barneys farm thc 24%+ 1.3% cbd 600g/m2
    2 10 arjans ultra haze feminised 21.6%thc and produces 900g/m2
    3 10 purple haze feminised 22%thc .3% cbd 500g/m2
    4 blueberry feminised 19.5% thc 450-600g/m2
    5 ak feminised 15%+ 350-450g/m2



    So any info on how long I should keep a mother for before growing up a new seedling to motherhood or a clone to motherhood would be great also for my mother room all I have is a 3 foot deep by 30'wide by 7feet tall closet wich can have shelves adjusted to give me 2 spaces for mothers

    2.5' wide x 3' deep x 3.5' height should this be enough room for 4 -6 mothers and will 2 2'x3' flourescent 4 bulb balasts holding 4 55what blue white bulbs be sufficient to get me thicker foliage growth for cloning i.e will I be able to get 35-40 clones from what I am proposing for my mother room
    and will there be any room to bring rooted clones in here while waiting for current grow to finish? any suggestion on how to get best use out of these spaces is greatly welcomed would prefer it if i could keep 3 moms in the bottom and use top to get clones to 4" inches minimum before moving to my table where they will be under a 1000w mh for 2 weeks then switch to 1k hps with consideration of adding a 150w metal halide wich i will move each day from one side of table to other to promote maximum growth using tying once foliage is as dense as possible while still alowing all braches to get equal light ill remove the metal halide.

    For ventilation I was planning on using a 125cfm exhaust fan and 3 muffin fans 2 to bring air into the room 1 for blowing air across the hps light also will have a good room fan to stimulate movement to strengthen the plants up . oh should mention the exhaust I was thinking of is for a rooms floor space is
    L shape dimensions of walls are 7.5 x 7' x 5' x 3' x 2.5' height is 7 feet
    so basically picture a 7.5'l x 7'w x 7'h room with a bathtub on one side that is 5x3 the closet is along same wall. So I plan to put a 5'x 4' sheet of plywood over the tub and place my 4' x 4' ebb and flood on it with the resevoir under the the playwood overhang. originally i considered using a 600w hps bulb balast and reflector with a mh conversion for 2 weeks of veg. But was told that it might be a bit weak and was recommended that for 50$ more i can have a hortilux 1k hps with a 1k mh so its opinion time wich setup will get me the best yield for the space.

    600w mh conversion 2 weeks at 18/6 switch to 600w hps and a 150w mh that i will rotate around table

    or

    the 1k mh for 2 weeks at 18/6 then switch to straight 1k hps?
    i'm going to be running the numbers you gave me to get a better prospective of what your descibing, but from off the top of my head. I know it is going to be alot of work, but the upside to a 600 w light is you can get closer, and if your running a 150 mh, the benifits are going to be greater for the reason that your getting a mixed spectrum. This benifits your plants greatly. But before i give you a definite answer i'm going to write these dimensions down as well as lumen output. but i just want to get a picture in my head of what the space looks like, then go from there, and if you can provide a pict of the space, thaqt would help out, if not thtats chill.I'll get back at you this evening with some thoughts. on the detail land planning.
    And DAMN i'm jelous of the freebies as well as your order..GREAT BUY!!

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    I did some work fine tuning the area in my grow room where the ebb and flood table will be wich is a 4' x 4' ebb and flood. which will be sitting in an area that will allow approximately 22.5 feet of canopy also found a wicked site called Yield O rama which allows you to enter in your prospective yield
    lumens of light from hps and metal halide either using one or the other or a combination of both. According to the forms I got from Hc my licence should
    allow me to grow 45 plants of these 5 will be mothers. An ill be able to put 40 on my table from other posts I read I was left with the impression that if I go with a SoG I can put in 4 plants per square foot so my table at maximum can hold (4'x4'=16/square feet x 4 plants = 64 plants so first thing I need to know is this correct? and if it is with growing 40 plants in 16 square feet with enough room for 22.5 square feet of canopy how long could I veg my 40 plants for and not overcrowd my table and prevent lower branches from maturing also if the amount of plants my table can hold for SoG is 64 Ill have a lot of extra space from the 24 less plants for veging so this way I can tie up the lower branches to fill gaps and create more big buds or Am I missing something in how SoG works , but If i am on my game with this plan how much veg could i give my clones planting them 5 plants for every 2 square feet. Would 3-4 weeks be to much or would 3 weeks be good using the ties.?

    And here is the link to the Yield O rama site it has calculators for yield calculation for upgrades as well as basic yield calculator for starting out etc there is quite a bit to help you properly balance you set up and grow plans to match your exact Prescription with an added section you can enter to grow a rainy day surplus in case you get some plants that turn out to be underachievers.

    http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/yor/yor.htm

    This link take you to the main homepage from there just go thru the different sections and you will find the yield calculators under the production link

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    Re: how tall should i grow my clones before flowering

    sounds like you got it right. With that many plants i would veg for just a week to 10 days max that would give you enough room for a good stretch without costing you ueild.
    One of the ideas of S.O.G is thawt youcan harvest tops and if you choose to then let the bottom mature another week then harvest those. This isjust an option if your hieght like my grow has gotten bigger then atticipated. I take it this not what you want so thats why i suggest the 7-10 days of veg. On my next S.O.G i will just veg for 7 days from clone, but currently my veg room is filled with plants that are ranging from 10- 18 inches. Sux to have an uneven canopy. Lumen levels get comprimised with an uneven canopy. Remember to take into consideration stretch as well as how big your clones are.
    Have you checked out OMENMANS grow. Great example of sog.

    And thanx for the link..gotta spend more time on it..

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