Okay, started some white russians and a blue widow. They were under some pathetic excuse of leds( not saying leds are bad but i bought some BS on amazon, yeah my bad) Well noticed they werent doing much of aything cept stretching. I cloned them and switched to a 250 watt mh. 4200 k. Well they turned out tall and the stems are thick after about 8 weeks. They are about 3 ft tall after the veg. i decided they were more then big enough to flower. At about week 4 i introduced some autos, forgive me cant remember the actual name of them. What i see from all of them is basically the same thing. a not so dense canopy which i will try to upload photos asap. After the 8 weeks in the the veg tent i moved the photos to the flower tent and went to 250 watt hps. 6 inches above plants. I switched the autos to hps as well but they are under 18/6 like i had the mh. figure they can flower as well. Got some clones in with them. Im assuming my lights are just not juicing them as much as id like but atm cant afford bigger. any advice?