Bill C-45 — Canada's Legalization — The Drama Revs Up

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Ian Bastage

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As the process of legalization of cannabis finally starts to shift into gear, I thought a thread of relevant info might be interesting to some. I will update as time allows. But please help . . .

To read the bill as it stands:

Bill C-45

An Act respecting cannabis and to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Criminal Code and other Acts

Short Title: Cannabis Act

As the public hearings process starts next week, here are snippets from some of the submissions to the HESA - Standing Committee on Health. They will listen to experts etc & then (after 5 days or so) forward any recommendations to the legislature.

Reading through the positions is interesting because each party has their own vested interests. Some will be adopted & some won't make it. At this point, it seems as if JT & the Feds want to quickly pass it & throw it to the provinces. That way they will live up to their promise & the buck will pass so the provinces get blamed for the inevitable delays.

Aurora Cannabis:
  • We would urge the Federal government to consider including the following products singularly or in a wider class on the schedule: Concentrates (Previously classed as resins ie: hashish), Vape Liquids, Topicals & Creams, Edibles, Drinks, & Food products.

Canadian Cancer Society:
  • Minimum age 21.
  • Smoking & vaping should be banned everywhere smoking tobacco is banned.

Aphria:
  • recommends that the Government of Canada introduce a strict product-testing regime, similar to regimes currently operable in the pharmaceutical industry. The costs associated with the new regime should be funded by the industry.
  • recommends that the Government of Canada allow for the continued operation of the current medical cannabis program.
  • recommends that the Government of Canada allow for the distribution of medical and recreational cannabis through pharmacies.

Arthritis Society:
  • Enable pharmacy distribution: Pharmacies should have exclusive authority to retail medical cannabis.
  • Remove sales tax for medical cannabis.
  • Facilitate insurance coverage.

Green Organic Dutchman (New LP with small multiple-strain grows — not retail yet)
  • information such as company name, strain name, price, amounts of THC and CBS and warnings and other labeling requirements, should be the only material included on packaging and labelling.
  • In our view, adopting such a restrictive approach to labeling will not serve Canadians well. We must be mindful that many Canadians are not well-informed about cannabis, and the variety of products which will soon be available to them. (All of the LPs also addressed this same point about packaging & advertising)

C.D. Howe Institute:
  • To ensure that the black market is effectively minimized, the federal tax rate should not exceed the current GST rate (5 percent). Assuming a pre-tax price of $7.50 per gram, a 5 percent sales tax results in about 88 percent of the market shifting to legal consumption and $216 million in federal tax revenues

Drug Free Kids Canada:
  • public consumption to be prohibited, more than for tobacco and alcohol, including significant penalties for public consumption
  • edible product should not be permitted, unless there are strict controls on production (THC levels), plus childproof packaging
  • explicit product liability legislation for marijuana, placing product health impact liability on producers and distributors of marijuana

Tilray:
  • While the federal Taskforce on Cannabis Legalization & Regulation endorsed treating recreational and medical cannabis under the same taxation regime, we strongly oppose such a policy as it unduly burdens medical cannabis patients and could inadvertently incentivize these patients to choose recreational cannabis.
  • should encourage Health Canada to expand the current 30mg/mL THC cap for cannabis oils in certain circumstances. Such a move would allow for an expanded product line — such as vaporizer oils — to better serve medical cannabis patients with a variety of conditions.
  • Mail delivery should remain an option for patients and made available to recreational consumers. Providing the option of mail-order for recreational consumers as a parallel path to brick-and-mortar private retail outlets will ensure consistent supply to consumers across Canada while physical distribution systems are put in place.

A total of 75 submissions will be considered.

Note: There is a parellel bill that will deal with the changes to the Criminal Code: See Bill C-46
 
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This morning the Minister of Health & the Minister of Finance will be presenting Ontario's plan for legalization starting at 11:15am. This is the first official announcement from any province.

This should answer some of the who/how/when questions.
 
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It's official . . . in Ontario . . .

  • Stand alone LCBO-style stores - up to 80 stores by end of 1st year (150 by 2020)
  • LCBO will run an online store that will open when Federal legalization occurs
  • Licensed producers will be the only source
  • Minimum age 19 years of age
  • Existing illegal dispensaries will be shut
 
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Despite yesterday's police appeal to slow down . . .


Third Day of Hearings Headline:

MPs urged to push forward with legal cannabis despite calls to slow down CBC News

and from the same article . . .

"Earlier today, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said the government was sticking to its timetable to legalize cannabis by July 1, 2018."

and . . .

"Christina Grant of the Canadian Paediatric Society . . . said aligning the legal age for cannabis with other legally controlled substances would help ensure youth have access to a regulated product with a known potency. Grant did, however, advocate the government only make lower potency cannabis available to those under 25."
 

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What bothers me is that they are listening to companies that already have the edge in legal marketplace because of the funds & connections they possess. LPs are overcharging for cannabis because they can and they're reinvesting in growing their businesses here and abroad off the dollars of medical patients. I'm staying medical too because at least growing it myself won't expose me to pesticides or chemicals and cost me a whole hell of a lot less. 4 plants for non med is a joke.
 
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Well, the dramatic headlines from the hearings have died down after the first few days.

Today: Davies calls for extension of Cannabis Act hearings (I won't link because it is a competitor site)

"NDP Health Critic and Health Committee Vice Chair Don Davies put forward a motion today during the committee hearing to add two more days of hearings to hear from licensed producers, dispensary owners, edibles manufactures, and youth stakeholders."

"The committee is expected to hear from more speakers next week. Ministers of Health, Justice, Public Safety are scheduled to present Tuesday, September 19th."
 
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Not sure why they would choose Organigram when they are currently under a class action lawsuit. 11 months of dangerous/poisoned cannabis and they still are allowed to operate!
 
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Just one scary bit of news gleaned from a hearing's wrap-up by Jeffrey Lizotte (a lobbyist). Published in a competitor (Lift) so I won't post a link.

"On Friday we heard whispers that Quebec plans to prohibit home cultivation. So this might be another decision the federal government punts to provinces to decide."
 
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Week Ending Sept 22 . . .

Nothing really new this week other than talk & rumours. Still no word from any other provinces about their plans although New Brunswick looks like it is leaning to the same gov't store scenario that Ontario floated.

Ontario has mentioned a proposed price: $10 per gram. This is coming in higher than the average street price of $8.64. See the article The Average Cost Of Marijuana Across Canada in International News posted by Ron. Quebec meanwhile floated $8 - $9 per gram but mentioned that Ontario's price would be a factor. The cabinets from both provinces were meeting today.

And . . . the police raided another dispensary in London Ontario . . .
 
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OK. This is what we have been waiting to hear:

"The committee (Standing Committee of Health) will soon begin its clause-by-clause review of the legislation. During this final portion of the review, all parties, including independent Members of Parliament, can submit amendments to the bill that the standing committee on health will then vote on. If the health committee reports the bill back to the House of Commons, it will go before Parliament for further debate and a third vote. If the House of Commons votes in favour of the legislation then it will be submitted to the Senate for further debate, review and voting." Winnipeg Free Press

"No date is set and report stage is likely to not occur until after the Thanksgiving break. The House is sitting for eight full weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas." Lift
 
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And the big news yesterday from the BC Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General Mike Farnworth about their plans for the province:

"We have not landed on any decision around the distribution model, we have not landed on any decisions on the retail model, because I've made it clear, there's different opinions in different parts of the province."

Blah, blah, blah . . . they have still not decided . . .
 
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The Weekly C-45 Report . . .

Nothing really happened except:

  • BC is making noise about possibly including some private dispensaries in their retail distribution – at the very least they are including them in the conversation
  • Quebec is setting the age to 18. And they will retail using the SAQ/LCBO gov’t model.
    “Quebec plans to create a Crown corporation that will make use of expertise at the Société des alcools to handle sales. As already reported by the Montreal Gazette, employees will act as pot counsellors instead of salespeople, to warn youth of the dangers of weed.” Montreal Gazette
  • It looks like Manitoba will use an non-gov’t vendor to sell legal marijuana
 

TorturedSoul

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"Christina Grant of the Canadian Paediatric Society . . . said aligning the legal age for cannabis with other legally controlled substances would help ensure youth have access to a regulated product with a known potency. Grant did, however, advocate the government only make lower potency cannabis available to those under 25."
Interesting idea, and one I urge folks to consider - just as soon as the government figures out a way to guarantee that any <25-year old service personnel (and LEOs, if you have them that young up there) who enter armed conflicts only get shot with rubber bullets, that their marriages are only weekend get-togethers, and that their malignant tumors and other terminal illnesses be magically reduced to bad sprains and bruises. Oh, yeah, and that the tax rate for the under-25 citizens be reduced to some arbitrary percentage.

In other words... :icon_roll .

That dumb chick is begging to be mugged by a young adult fifteen seconds after she exits a cannabis dispensary with her purchase tucked under her arm. And THAT would be... poetic justice indeed.
 

FeloniousPunk

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Re: Bill C-45 â€" Canada’s Legalization â€" The Drama Revs Up

Hi All,

Great topic, thanks for the new thread oldbastage!

This is just a reminder of the Reefer Madness mentality that still permeates our society:

Roach of the Week: Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu says kids will smoke pot... with toaster ovens? | Georgia Straight Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly


On Monday BC is supposed to outline their plans.

And for those of you who didn't see the testimony at the Health Committee hearings on Bill C-45:

You searched for - CPAC

I've reviewed some of the September 11-15, 2017 hearings and recommend the following:

Kirk Tousaw
Dana Larsen
Jodie and Marc Emery

For those on Facebook, you might want to add Sensible BC. They have some really good stuff there.

Peace. :peace:
 
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Ian Bastage

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Welcome aboard FP. I figured that we could use one thread in Canada as this adventure unfolds.

I watched your suggested clips. Emery really flailed the government in his 5 minutes!
 
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We had some forward movement on C-45 today. The HESA (House Standing Committee on Health) went through the bill point by point adding (Liberal amendments) & denying (anybody else's amendments) & ultimately finished the bill as it will be presented to the house.

Just a few additions:

  1. Edibles & concentrates were added to the bill . . . but with a 12 month delay on their launch. That means the black market will be the only source for edibles, vape pens, shatter, smoking oils & hash etc until sometime in 2019.
  2. The whole bill will be reviewed in 3 years, after the gov't gets some experience under their belts.

Now the health committee reports the bill back to the House of Commons & in the next few weeks it goes for its 3rd Reading & floor debate.