Blaze's Journey Into Fire Organics: LOS Mix, Bag Seed, 2016

[bobrown14]

Epsom salts.... I've used that in the past. Cant remember the last time I used it for anything other than a foot bath!! Which is very good for you btw.....

 

[Blazinjones]

Epsom salts.... I've used that in the past. Cant remember the last time I used it for anything other than a foot bath!! Which is very good for you btw.....

I use it for tht 2 sumtimes but yea gave the girls a splash of coconut water lastnite the girls in flower tht is I wuda gave sum to my veg girls also but ran out lol health store here icome haha so instead I gave the veg girls alil alfalfa tea to help give em a boost so hopefully tht speeds things up alil bit in my veg tent lol

 

[Radogast]

Epsom salts.... I've used that in the past. Cant remember the last time I used it for anything other than a foot bath!! Which is very good for you btw.....

I use epsom salts for a foot bath - but also for when the leaves go 'taco' per Doc Bud instructions.
Droopy leaves seems the opposite of taco leaves - so I wouldn't think epsom was the 'go to' solution.

A quick google of Alfalfa NPK gave 2.5-1-2, 3-1-2, and 3-1-3 - so too much alfalfa tea sure could be the cause of too much N.

 

[Blazinjones]

I use epsom salts for a foot bath - but also for when the leaves go 'taco' per Doc Bud instructions.
Droopy leaves seems the opposite of taco leaves - so I wouldn't think epsom was the 'go to' solution.

A quick google of Alfalfa NPK gave 2.5 - 1 - 2, 3-1-2, and 3-1-3 - so too much alfalfa tea sure could be the cause of too much N.

Yea thts wat im thinkn or since it was the only1 2 ever do this 2 me it cud jus be the broken genetics maybe?? Idk much about the science behind genetics but im guessn if they r all broken up it wud stand 2 reason u wud get sum odd balls out of the bunch lol but yea thanx for the info rad appreciate it much

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[Blazinjones]

k so I lied wen I said a week or 2 n I wud chop early vixen I put her in the chop shop 2nite and washed her down and got her hung up here se was rite b4 the chop I think I'm guna try an enter her in a contest and see if I cant win prolly wont but hey its worth a shot lol ok so I jus relized the pics r still siting on my fone since I forgot to upload them haha so give me a min and I will upload them and be back to do the update

 

[Blazinjones]

k so here is my early vixen that I just harvested and sum nice bud porn always gotta love bud porn ina few min ill have sum pics of her all washed and hung up plus a few individual bud shots I def. will be vegging longer on my current on in veg tht way I will get a bigger yield but I hope close to a zip dry but prolly wont happen it looks kinda small but it cud be deceiving so wish me luck every1 and thank u rad and bb and angrybird and any1 else tht I didn't mention without u guys this wudnt have been possible so again an ill post the other pics ina min gotta go have a cig break now I'm finally done with everything lol

 

[Blazinjones]

k so I smoked last night while doin updates in the recliner all nice and laid back and well I woke up this morning with my laptop in my lap lol so here is the early vixen hit the chop and wash shop then got her hung up in the grow room bathroom and a nice nug shot enjoy

 

[Radogast]

Those look tasty !

 

[Blazinjones]

Those look tasty !

thanx rad appreciate it much I was guna let her grow longer but since the triches were like 30% amber roughly and I have a bunch of early vixen going I figured id see which is better letn her grow longer or sooner plus I really wanted better smoke but yea I think my nex ones I will be veging longer to get a bigger yield cuz this will be roughly a half ounce dry or so so not tht great but maybe its super potent that wud be nice I hope so but so far I'm not to impresed my purple kush tho on the other hand which is still growing is really starting to fill out nicely so maybe I shud have let my early vixen go alil longer but the buds were not tht big its just I heard from bb tht the plant still does sum devolping even after the chop so I figured if the pistals where already 30% amber then I figure they will get alil bit mre during dring and the cure but correct me if I'm wrong idk if what I'm saying is even close to right but jus me trying to make connections with what I'm told by various gud growers most of which are on this great site I love this place is the tits lol




ps.. I shud add tht my early vixen prolly wud have been alil more and I dnt know exact weight yet but it prolly wud have been mre but I kept all the small buds into my hash pile so I figured it wud make sum super tastey dabs every time I made em even with my broken gene girls the dabs turnd out pretty gud but the over all smoke wasn't the best but I'm hoping tht changes now my vixen is done

 

[Blazinjones]

so this was 2 days ago n I put c99 into soil 2/3 roots organic bag soil from aurora n 1/3 ewc n I last night I put strawberry cake n here is her giant tail only it kinda turnd alil brown at the base where it connects to the shell or itcud jus still be the shell idk but I hope she turns out gud I'm pretty sure she will but here she is jus alil tap root rite now but hopefully will become a monster after sum gud organic growing n throw alil training in there ftw

so far this is my biggest tap root ive ever had I believe I cant wait to c these girls in action ive heard really gud things from Cinderella 99 ive never grown strawberry cake or heard nuthn bout it but I shur do love the berrys it seems lol so I figured since strawberry is my favorite fruit y not give it a shot lol so wish me luck every1 and now we got tht out of the way on 2 the main show here is alil bud porn so enjoy up first is my last broken gene girl ill be doing I did the kelp foiler on her and the leaves are still droopy I am noticing the buds are way more dense then my gud genetic seeds but way less potent it seems atleast for my early v I smoked alil last night and it wasn't fully cured but it still had more of a punch then a full bowl of my broken gene strain and the erly v smells like green fruit of sum kind lol tht green smell/taste is going away tho with the cure so all gud there jus shuda waited and let it grow alil longer for alil bit bigger yield but over all not bad I'm happy with all but the weight but I wanted to c how it turned out anyway wen harvested alil bit early so I can learn the best way to grow this strain cuz its lookn like I will be keeping this strain as one of my permenant strains rite now I'm buying as many seeds as I can so I have a nice variety to choose from and I can grow many different strains and find my favorites and what works best for my nausea and back pain also I'm working with my doctor trying to get off opoids the poison is ridiculous I'm tryn to do a complete life change which includes my diet and also a life change which is a big reason y I'm growing my own fruits and veggies or well will be as soon as I get my first harvest once I get my new veg tent in like 2 r 3 weeks ill be doing more fruit trees and sum veggies all of which will be in my los kit so tht means another order from buildasoil love those guys great for organic shit and kit soil is so fukn easy lol once I get sum experience under my belt ill prolly switch to doc buds hb kit ive seen sum amazing results from his setup and I cant deni the results and I wana get sum results like those lol anyway here is what I'm working with for rite now broken gene girl

up next is my pride and joy so far I just wish she wud have turned more purple but here is my purple kush here cola is getting nice and fat depending how u look at it she is round 10 to 12 ana half inches long not to much of frost tho idk if its the strain and she will devlope more as she grows if I let her grow mre which I will cuz she still has clear triches on her once those r gone n she is all cloudy and has sum amber ill then take her to the chop shop but still she is my pride and joy here she is

look at tht nice fat cola man I love it man I cant wait to smoke this baby ill be soon enuf lol

see not a lot of frost on her is tht maybe from my light ive been hearing a lot of people saying the vipraspecter series doesn't do much red light in it but idk what the really is or even does for the plants so if any1 does know or cud point me in the right direction I wud greatly appreciate it thanx anyway hope every1 enjoyed the show lol

 

[bobrown14]

Congrats on your harvest there buddy! :thu

Plants are looking super healthy... I saw the lady bug. They eat mites so if she's hanging around .... well she's got food so look for what she's eating. If she disappears or flies off prolly good sign.

With harvest I look at the pistils not really the trichomes. If they are still pumping out I wait to chop... once they stop growing and start to go amber then I hold my pruning shears .... put em down... wait a few days... .pick em up..... think about it some more.....eventually chop! hahaha...

The difference can be significant weight wise. Plants will put on some weight in the last week or so of flower. When I purchase the seeds one of the things II look for is time in flower. I track closely the amount of time each plant is flowering and compare that to the breeders instruction on flower time... that isn't written in stone either so if the breeder say 55-60 days ... some plants will be 52-55 days and others can go 70-75 days and still show no amber trichs.... Why I look at pistils and size of the calyx.

Actually the size and shape of the calyx is a better indicator of plant maturity. I like to harvest when the calyx are still nice and fat and roundish pear shaped. At some point once the pistils stop being generated the calyx is done her job and they start to shrink. I like to harvest right at that time or a day or so before they start getting smaller. It will become a personal preference over time. The longer the chop the meds will have a different effect. Early harvest = racy buzz generally... and the need for a longer cure. I've had plants that only needed a week or so to cure and the smell and taste were perfect.

Here's what I generally go by... there's a write up on it here on 420mag:

Sometimes the general need to harvest outweighs all else! I'm guilty of that all the time! A proper cure is a good thing. I've actually developed a taste for the freshies! But that is an acquired taste for sure. First time I got snickered pretty good on fresh buds (cured only a few days) ..... woah... had a few heart palpitations!

Good on ya Blaze... and good luck with the little ones and a bountiful next harvest!

 

[Radogast]

so this was 2 days ago n I put c99 into soil 2/3 roots organic bag soil from aurora n 1/3 ewc n I last night I put strawberry cake n here is her giant tail only it kinda turnd alil brown at the base where it connects to the shell or itcud jus still be the shell idk but I hope she turns out gud I'm pretty sure she will but here she is jus alil tap root rite now but hopefully will become a monster after sum gud organic growing n throw alil training in there ftw

so far this is my biggest tap root ive ever had I believe


here is my purple kush
she is my pride and joy here she is

see not a lot of frost on her is tht maybe from my light ive been hearing a lot of people saying the vipraspecter series doesn't do much red light in it but idk what the really is or even does for the plants so if any1 does know or cud point me in the right direction I wud greatly appreciate it thanx anyway hope every1 enjoyed the show lol

I think you let your tap roots go a little too long before planting. The first Strawberry cake is about the maximum I would let them go.I'm not expert, only planted about 20 seeds and grown about 12 plants from seed. (5 of the seeds were one bad batch of seeds.)

The tap root comes out of the seed and then tries to grow down. In a paper towel, it can't grow down into soil yet, so it grows sideways. When planting, the root is too delicate to point it down, so one plants the rooted seed at a flat angle and the root twists to turn down. In my opinion, which is not expert, a long taproot before planting is wasted energy.

The seed I planted yesterday had cracked it's shell, showing a white stripe along one side. The root had not come out yet.

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I wonder if you are right about the Purple Kush and your light. That one cola is strong, close to the light, while the lower buds are much smaller. To get the most out of my lights I try to get many strong branches instead of 1 strong branch before I put them into flower.

Bobrown14 grows some lovely large ladies with one strong leader branch and a few good lower buds. He has stronger lights than I do, and excellent fertilizing and growing technique - but I figure he does it all with magic anyway. I also think he lets his girls get bigger in veg

 

[Blazinjones]

Congrats on your harvest there buddy! :thu

Plants are looking super healthy... I saw the lady bug. They eat mites so if she's hanging around .... well she's got food so look for what she's eating. If she disappears or flies off prolly good sign.

With harvest I look at the pistils not really the trichomes. If they are still pumping out I wait to chop... once they stop growing and start to go amber then I hold my pruning shears .... put em down... wait a few days... .pick em up..... think about it some more.....eventually chop! hahaha...

The difference can be significant weight wise. Plants will put on some weight in the last week or so of flower. When I purchase the seeds one of the things II look for is time in flower. I track closely the amount of time each plant is flowering and compare that to the breeders instruction on flower time... that isn't written in stone either so if the breeder say 55-60 days ... some plants will be 52-55 days and others can go 70-75 days and still show no amber trichs.... Why I look at pistils and size of the calyx.

Actually the size and shape of the calyx is a better indicator of plant maturity. I like to harvest when the calyx are still nice and fat and roundish pear shaped. At some point once the pistils stop being generated the calyx is done her job and they start to shrink. I like to harvest right at that time or a day or so before they start getting smaller. It will become a personal preference over time. The longer the chop the meds will have a different effect. Early harvest = racy buzz generally... and the need for a longer cure. I've had plants that only needed a week or so to cure and the smell and taste were perfect.

Here's what I generally go by... there's a write up on it here on 420mag:

Sometimes the general need to harvest outweighs all else! I'm guilty of that all the time! A proper cure is a good thing. I've actually developed a taste for the freshies! But that is an acquired taste for sure. First time I got snickered pretty good on fresh buds (cured only a few days) ..... woah... had a few heart palpitations!

Good on ya Blaze... and good luck with the little ones and a bountiful next harvest!

ok so ur saying tht I shud go b the pistal growth the reason I harvested this well one reason anyway was tht the triches where amber and what if the pistals are still growing but the triches have a lot of amber already say over 60% wud u still let it go or wud u harvest cuz I thought the more amber u let the triches go the more it turn ur bud to what I call sleepy buds meaning tht it gives u a really tired kind of high which I like cause I have major isues sleeping but thts all ive been grown for months now all my broken genetic seeds make me really tired wen I smoke the buds so I am ready to include another type of high so I dnt sleep all day or jus don't get to smoke which is a no go for me I need smoke available to me at all times due to nausea and also I use to keep an even head wen dealing with life in general I just get super stressed out wen I dnt have smoke so I like to have it on hand all the tyme lol anyway here is another update this is my blueberry auto tht I think I fuked up by topping to late but I'm guna let it go cause I hope it will turn into one of those lil 1 or 2 footers ive seen here on and its jus like all bud lol there is only like 4 or 6 buds but they r huge if I cud pull tht off tht eud be just amazing but I doubt I will get tht due to my environment not set constant but hopefully soon in my near future ill have my shed up and built an ill have tht as a perfectly controlled room so thn I will really be in the busseiness or atleast I hope I will lol

this is my purple kush clone the one leaf tht got burned during its time in the cloner box has been turning yellow buts its still here so I think it will make it where all the rest where doubled ver by now I think so wish me luck I hope it turns out

these 2 are my next early vixen both from seed tht I have been doing my practice on training on and the one I used the funnel with to do my version of a half ass attempt todo an olla setup and also I fluxed her once I get my other veg tent setup ill be able to do a proper olla run cause ill have a bigger pot to grow in cuz a 5gal. home depot bucket don't leave a lot of room to bury an olla 4 watering purposes but soon hopefully cuz the 1 I did the funnel is like twice as big as the one with out and they were both from seed germed. and planted same time here they r

up next is my pineapple skunk which is just booming along now man I cant wait 4 this 1 to go into flower cause it will be my first skunk run and I really miss a good ole skunk plus it has a fruit to it so I'm really interested in seeing how this 1 grows and the how the smell profile turns out man I love growing this herb there is so many choices to choose from and they all have different effects to an extent its jus great havn options haha anyway here she is pineapple skunk

 

[Blazinjones]

k so I been re reading all my joournals I started on paper here at my house andi cud find wen I put these dam girls into the veg tent n it never occurred to me to jus check my online journal lmao so I did and after all fukn morning fukn around the house I finally hop online an after only 20 or 30 min found what I needed lol but yea my last girls the ev I just harvested and the pk I'm about 2 harvest soon where vegged for 46 days and the ones I started after them the 2 evs I have in veg rite now are as of today I believe if my figuring is right and I don't see why I wud lie about wen I put them into soil lol but yea as of 2day they are also 46 days old so every day from here on out they will be tht much older then my first round hahaha so yea baby bring on the buds I'm hoping for a way better yield this time cuz I'm topping and doin sum major training ive never trained a plant this much b4 like yea sure ive tied a stem up here and there or mayb bent and tied sum up to get alil better lighting to the lower branches but never nuthn like this man I cant wait till I order my bigger veg tent so I can really start to hav sum fun lol I really wana get gud enuf so I cant start doing my own breeding but still have em pack a punch and not end up with jus shit all the time lmao anyway yea I jus figured id put this up in the ole journal so I get it all documented and tht way if I ever forget to lable sumthn again I can still find it 2day I fully realized how fukn nice it is 2 have these journals have I mentioned b4 how much I love this site lol anyway enuf of the rant here hahaha and

 

[Blazinjones]

hey every1 this is my newest bean I jus germed and am in the process of just popping it anyway its an auto blueberry by dutch passion and I'm wondering if its ready to go into soil or shud I wait alil bit longer and do it 2morow I jus am new to autos and Idk if I shud waste the day in maken the tap root alil longer or shud I put it into soil like asap?? any and all info wud greatly be appreciated and

 

[Radogast]

hey every1 this is my newest bean I jus germed and am in the process of just popping it anyway its an auto blueberry by dutch passion and I'm wondering if its ready to go into soil or shud I wait alil bit longer and do it 2morow I jus am new to autos and Idk if I shud waste the day in maken the tap root alil longer or shud I put it into soil like asap?? any and all info wud greatly be appreciated and

I take back what I wrote before about waiting too long. I don't think it matters much between today and tomorrow - personally, I don't wait - but I'm a cloner. I haven't sprouted enough seeds to have an informed opinion.

The best time to plant a sprouted seed is probably when you have a steady hand and no distractions.

 

[Blazinjones]

I take back what I wrote before about waiting too long. I don't think it matters much between today and tomorrow - personally, I don't wait - but I'm a cloner. I haven't sprouted enough seeds to have an informed opinion.

The best time to plant a sprouted seed is probably when you have a steady hand and no distractions.

Yea i jus put it into soil now its about double the size now then in the pic but my cinderella 99 and one of my strawberry cakes still havnt popped above the ground so i started digging slowly n i found them under the soil alil the cinderella one i did in like 1/3 ewc n 2/3 roots organic bag soil n wen i found the seed shell the tap root was all brown n fried lookn n the other1 to jus not as bad burnt brown lookn but i put both back under the soil n waterd n hopefully now they alil closer to the top maybe idk

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[Radogast]

Yea i jus put it into soil now its about double the size now then in the pic but my cinderella 99 and one of my strawberry cakes still havnt popped above the ground so i started digging slowly n i found them under the soil alil the cinderella one i did in like 1/3 ewc n 2/3 roots organic bag soil n wen i found the seed shell the tap root was all brown n fried lookn n the other1 to jus not as bad burnt brown lookn but i put both back under the soil n waterd n hopefully now they alil closer to the top maybe idk

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If I think my soil might be 'too hot' I put in small dixie cup size clump of peat moss and plant in that peat moss clump- sort of a homemade peat plug.

 

[bobrown14]

I think you let your tap roots go a little too long before planting. The first Strawberry cake is about the maximum I would let them go.I'm not expert, only planted about 20 seeds and grown about 12 plants from seed. (5 of the seeds were one bad batch of seeds.)

The tap root comes out of the seed and then tries to grow down. In a paper towel, it can't grow down into soil yet, so it grows sideways. When planting, the root is too delicate to point it down, so one plants the rooted seed at a flat angle and the root twists to turn down. In my opinion, which is not expert, a long taproot before planting is wasted energy.

The seed I planted yesterday had cracked it's shell, showing a white stripe along one side. The root had not come out yet.

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I wonder if you are right about the Purple Kush and your light. That one cola is strong, close to the light, while the lower buds are much smaller. To get the most out of my lights I try to get many strong branches instead of 1 strong branch before I put them into flower.

Bobrown14 grows some lovely large ladies with one strong leader branch and a few good lower buds. He has stronger lights than I do, and excellent fertilizing and growing technique - but I figure he does it all with magic anyway. I also think he lets his girls get bigger in veg

Thanks Rad for the kind words... I'm a pretty lucky guy... I like to grow plants natural but thats usually cause I was late in my planning and didn't have very large plants in VEG.

Right now I do have some nice VEG plants and am topping many of them (in VEG only) 3rd or 4th node. At this stage they don't even skip a beat and grow 2 or more main colas so by the time in flower they will be a petty big bush 4' tall or more.... now if they grow another main cola and many sometimes grow 2 main colas, then I've got to do some training.

Blaze that main stem looks impressive! If you have a cfl or 2 I'd side light that plant until finish. Won't really matter but it will help the lower buds get fatter at same time as the rest of the plant.

With plants they use "translocation" and move nutrients from the fan leaves to the lower down buds so they will be pretty similar as the main cola for THC and maturation.

Believe it or not, I use Jiffy Peat Pellets to root seeds. I soak in H2o2 and filtered water (1/2 and 1/2) overnight. Next morning into re-hydrated jiffy peat pellets and under the dome they come with (home depot has em now) for spring veggies. I just did 32 seeds ... 31 seedlings in soil... the 1 missing I think I dropped the seed ... there wasn't a seed in the empty pellet. Oh and then when transplanting I rip off the little mesh and into my seedling mix.


Seedling mix: 1/2 EWC & 1/2 cpsm and some aeration if you have it handy (very light soil, cotyledons have all the nutrients the plant needs to get to the hardened off phase (good topic to discuss how that happens!). Then up pot after hardened off into the regular soil mix.

I don't use paper towels for several reasons. One is the chemicals they use to make the paper towels white.... ever drive past a paper mill? I think when I did that the first time, thats when I changed how I did seedlings. The paper towel method is interesting ... it's been around for a very long time. Predated bottled nutrients as it was how I was taught way back in the early 70s... I never got 100% with that method... peat pellets much better.

Grade your success with seedlings:
90-100% - A
80-90% - B
70-80% - C
>70% - D

"Do or die, there is no fail!" Yoda 1982

If we are not in the "A" range something is off...

Here's my setup for seedlings:

Jiffy dome inside a larger dome with a towel under large dome and a heat mat under the towel:

Edit:
Blaze the cloned plant looks fine... the yellow leaf is due to the plant using energy stored there to grow roots. Completely normal... specially when there's a flower on the top there. What you're doing is Re-veg AKA Monstercropping... Look that up.

That's typically how I grow a mother out.... the plant that comes from this in flower .... meh... they don't usually grow normal for some reason. I've tried and failed. But the cuttings from this plant will grow normal and look pretty close to the original doner. Eventually the monstercrop girl will normalize in VEG but it will take sometimes 6 months... and maybe never normalize.

Best time to take cuttings is before flower right at flip to 12/12 or the tops of VEG plants you topped at 3rd or 4th node. I run REG seeds most of the time so taking clones early is a guess at best and that's why take them at flip. I have a better idea if they are female or not... usually 90% sure... at 3rd node there's no way to tell.

 

[Radogast]

Here's my setup for seedlings:

Jiffy dome inside a larger dome with a towel under large dome and a heat mat under the towel:

Have you checked your temperature inside the dome with and without the heat mat?

Cannafan just did measurements at her low/med/high settings with her temp sensor sitting on top of the mat 70, 75, 78 F.

Since I keep my veg area between 68-75, the room temp works as good as a heat mat (for me.)

Best time to take cuttings is before flower right at flip to 12/12 or the tops of VEG plants you topped at 3rd or 4th node. I run REG seeds most of the time so taking clones early is a guess at best and that's why take them at flip. I have a better idea if they are female or not... usually 90% sure... at 3rd node there's no way to tell.

I like to take 2 cuttings when I groom the girls as they graduate from veg to flower. That way I don't forget to take a clone. One clone grows up, the other sleeps with the worms

When I top at the 3rd or 4th node, I will take a cutting from a regular seed to sex the plant - but so far I've never had the clone beat the parent plant into the flower room. I still try