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Can Republicans stop legalization?

Tennessee Tim

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Brother, I think at this point the genie is no where near out of the bottle enough. 4 states and 1 district legalizing like tobacco and alcohol is no where near enough when there are 46 other states left to go. Plus, Cannabis hasn't been rescheduled below class 1 either, which may be the most important step we need here, it is this very large piece of the puzzle that we need to put in place before it's to the point of no turning back. It's a very delicate situation we have in front of us and we need all hands on deck to get it to all come together.

this is precisely why you always see me stressing so much and with such passion that people have got to start getting active in this fight, we can loose everything in just a matter of a few votes and laws written and then we'll be right back to square one again. I am convinced that we are certainly not out of the woods yet and I implore people to quit counting their chickens before they hatch!
:48:Hello Everyone! I agree this is the time to all pull together for the common cause and not to exclude anyone by partisan or religious exclusion rhetoric. I for one would of voted for Bernie just on his stand for legalization alone and I do not care much for his party or other politics! I am pretty much Independent and can be quite conservative on moral issues and I am a Christian believer, and make no apologies. I also have been using Pot for almost 50 years! I do not much care for the republican party or the democrats, I don't let the major media outlets drive my opinions and I also support the blue collar working class with socialist ideas, within the framework of the constitution! I am not alone! Several millions at the least, share at least some of these ideas in common and legalization needs us all! I personally know of many associates, friends and neighbors who support legalization , especially for MMJ, and total legalization that are republicans (at least tend to vote that way), devoted church goers and morally conservative. I also know many democrats who think pot is dangerous and should be controlled closely, at the least! Just like we should not exclude any race, national origin, or sex in our struggle, we need people of all backgrounds, religions, and yes, even party affiliations! We should strive to be inclusive with our rhetoric and not let our personal prejudices or partisan politics turn away supporters from our goal. When I was young I had strong opinions and fierce support for them, but later I became aware of how that made me more like my enemies, and learned to temper my ideas with reason and openness to others ideas. I wish that now we can vote for change of repressive and punitive prohibitions of the past, exchanging them for those that are more reflective of the ideas of our early forefathers and not that of the later/current control freaks! Let me remind everyone that the progressives of the early part of the twentieth century led the way and were joined by the conservatives in instituting prohibitions on drugs and alcohol and that trend has continued with Cannabis until today, with now only that the lead has become the conservatives, for keeping it in place! No major support for change has come from any political party, in regards to Cannabis, on the national level until very recently and that has been feeble , very much the minority and halfhearted for the most part! Politicians have seemed to be in their profession for the money, power, and prestige before any noble loyalty or zeal for a controversial repeal of drug laws! No president living has done a thing to promote legalization or even to reducing the classification of Cannabis within the DEA. We need to stand united as freedom fighters for our cause ,Legalization of Cannabis and leave the partisan politics, religious remarks and bigotry out of our platform! It is perfectly acceptable, to reasonable people , to state facts about an individual politicians stand on the issue , just don't make it stridently partisan, realizing that many of his own party see's it differently. Same for the religious aspect. Let us join together for our common cause and speak out about our support for ending prohibition, together! Be a team , not a mob! Peace and Love!:peace2:
 

BrokrnEyes

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Well I agree that reasonable people can solve this problem Tim, I'm afraid that's the term reasonable people is highly subjective, and that one person's reasonable person to be another persons zealots.
 

hyperluv

Well-Known Member
The funny thing is they (those in Government), are suppose to serve us. It sure does not feel that way at times. If people keep voting yes for mmj legalization across all states, that would be a good first step. Once the elections roll around again, they will have no choice but to notice the percentage of people who voted 'yes' in each state and start indirectly catering towards those voters. Most mmj legalization amendments require over 60% of the people voting 'yes' for it to even pass for a state. That's a large chunk of voters. :party:
 

Kush Girl

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So far there is 8 states that passed for rec use legal and 28 states 29 with DC for medical. It's coming to a point where the government is going to be forced to see the error of thier ways and make some changes. The people are starting to speak loud and clear.

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BrokrnEyes

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How can I help out
1. Vote
2. Be informed
3. Be s contributing member of society

I1. f you're in a state that has an upcoming vote regarding medicinal recreational use, vote!

2. If your living in a state that already allows it either medicinally or recreationally learn some medical facts that you can riddle off in casual conversation to someone who's on the fence or against it. Things like being able to give solid statements and facts like helps with depression, PTSD, cancer and multiple sclerosis as well as less medically sided but none the less legitimate reasons such as stress management, blood pressure and tax revenue can really help win people over or at the very least makes it more difficult for hardliners to argue without resorting to moral objections, at which point you can point out things like the jail population cost to the taxpayer as well as the fact American has been in a war for 16 years now fighting for the ideals of freedom from oppressive authority, religious or otherwise, from telling us what to do and god to live/act.

3. Finally, avoid being out in public looking like a stoner, by that I mean avoid looking like the stereotype, in fact aim for the opposite, instead of being a stoner who does such and such for s living you do such and such fit s living and happen to use cannabis products.

Finally, accept you can't win over everyone, if after you give them the reasons it's legal and assuming you've been pull out the entire time, if they're still not convinced or still in your face about it, just politely say that's your stance on the matter and excuse yourself to leave and end the conversation. At that point you're probably dealing with a hardliner and the last thing you want to do is light the fuse that they have been dangling for you to light, and even then you will have one because nor that person has to contend with the reality that there are people that don't fit the stereotype thus undermining their views and stance.
 

Hova420

New Member
1. Vote
2. Be informed
3. Be s contributing member of society

I1. f you're in a state that has an upcoming vote regarding medicinal recreational use, vote!

2. If your living in a state that already allows it either medicinally or recreationally learn some medical facts that you can riddle off in casual conversation to someone who's on the fence or against it. Things like being able to give solid statements and facts like helps with depression, PTSD, cancer and multiple sclerosis as well as less medically sided but none the less legitimate reasons such as stress management, blood pressure and tax revenue can really help win people over or at the very least makes it more difficult for hardliners to argue without resorting to moral objections, at which point you can point out things like the jail population cost to the taxpayer as well as the fact American has been in a war for 16 years now fighting for the ideals of freedom from oppressive authority, religious or otherwise, from telling us what to do and god to live/act.

3. Finally, avoid being out in public looking like a stoner, by that I mean avoid looking like the stereotype, in fact aim for the opposite, instead of being a stoner who does such and such for s living you do such and such fit s living and happen to use cannabis products.

Finally, accept you can't win over everyone, if after you give them the reasons it's legal and assuming you've been pull out the entire time, if they're still not convinced or still in your face about it, just politely say that's your stance on the matter and excuse yourself to leave and end the conversation. At that point you're probably dealing with a hardliner and the last thing you want to do is light the fuse that they have been dangling for you to light, and even then you will have one because nor that person has to contend with the reality that there are people that don't fit the stereotype thus undermining their views and stance.
Thank you so much for the knowledge
 

BrokrnEyes

New Member
Yes they can stop it. We need to get more people to vote for legalization.
At first I thought that, but as this farce of an administration (or government reality tv, choose your insult I suppose) has dragged its feet to the grave like the grumpy old men that they are the more I've realize that at best they can have a chilling effect.

1. The DOJ has said Jeff Sessions can't do much of what he wants to do, in part because of his conflicting statements both before and after his appointment but also the lack of manpower and resources to fully reimplement that drug war, which soulful face open hostility at the public and state levels.

2. The pot Industry has grown, well like a weed, in many state economies as well as has already caused migratory shifts (people are moving to these states), which bolsters those states power in the senate that has legalized as well at the same time weakening the states that haven't.

3. If the "President" were to sign an executive order it would be seen as the federal government over reaching its authority in what is rapidly been turned into a states rights issue, something the republicans love to pull out on many issues. If the republicans allowed "The president" to make such an order it would be seen as a betrayal of One of their core values to the American people. Considering the midterm elections will see many political players up for re-election i'm both sides of the aisle, the republicans are fully aware they are already facing devastating losses in 15 months, a draconian move like this would see them lose a lot more, not only removing their stranglehold on the federal government, but likely seen them lose their majority in possibly even becoming something of a distinct minority party (I am not necessarily saying that cannabis is that huge of an issue, but the principle of the act would have devastating consequences for a party devastated on many fronts).

4. Let's say for a second that the above 3 points were thrown out the window and that despite the insanity "The president" signed an executive order reinstating the drug war, the amount of literature, skill and most importantly of all, seeds, in the country right now would see it go back underground but at 10 times it's strength that the task of "deweeding" the nation would be impossible to even try to enforce like it was at the peak of the drug war. What's more the sudden loss of tax money in the states would hurt the economy of those states an in turn it would be blamed once again on the republicans.

In short, I don't see any sort of significance of packs occurring in the next 15 months from the federal level, more likely it's going to be at the state level, so once again vote, be informed and inform and avoid the negative stereotype. Come mid term election, consider stepping it up a bit, we'll be able to "make America sane again".
 
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