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solareclipse

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Hi all...i try a few months to breed some autoflowering seeds .
I use in begin the gorilla glue male photoperiod crossing and back crossing with anesthesia autoflowering.
I get the F2 plants all autoflowering for fitst time.carrying F3 offsprings 100% autos.
My question is to upload some pictures and tell me if someone knows about breeding if the traits-genetics are good till now...
How looks my plants ..leaves , structure e.t.c
Thank u in advance..
Right now i have these fotos..i have more in others thread's if someone want to have a look younger age fotos... :Namaste::Namaste:
 

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Jackalope

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You have to watch how you are breeding with Auto's. I don't grow them but I do dabble in breeding. Every time you cross it you dilute the auto genetics. The stronger genetics your auto has will help. I wouldn't go to far with it though. If you don't lose the Auto flower you will lose potency. Original autoflower genetics have little to no THC.
 

solareclipse

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You have to watch how you are breeding with Auto's. I don't grow them but I do dabble in breeding. Every time you cross it you dilute the auto genetics. The stronger genetics your auto has will help. I wouldn't go to far with it though. If you don't lose the Auto flower you will lose potency. Original autoflower genetics have little to no THC.
I have a plan in my head...i want to start the new seeds 100% autos... meanwhile i try to get some pollen from feminised auto northern light.if i get this pollen i will get some seeds 100%auto feminised cross with the other autoflowering i bought from seedbank..also i will experiment..some pollen from colloidial silver to F3 seeds for fem auto seeds...and i will use it as well for the others beans i bought from seedbank to mix all and see what i will like most.
If i finally find a strain i want to keep it then i will use only colloidial silver to get the same strain.
I hope didn't confused u...
By the way the planta o have right now have a nice potency on buds and on seeds...i use x60x100 magnifier...
Nice smell and budd looks good...i will know at the end of crop..after harvest i will can try some.i have a thread and say what am i doing this long time.
Thank you
 

Jackalope

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F-1 hybrids between 2 auto's will help keep the genetic info some. If you don't need feminized seeds it could work better doing it with regular seeds. A F-2 wouldn't be advised but F-1's should do fine. When you get feminizing down this could change.

Something to think about is going with the older Auto genetics for a hybrid. They have worked with Autoflowering strains for longer than people know. There has been Autoflower seeds available almost since you could first order seeds. The original idea was for it to outdoor thing. Mostly that didn't work because of potency issues.

I am not sure what exactly changed but it has. Still the early breeders are the ones that got it right. Most auto's are bred from them. Starting your own autoflower strain might be best working with one of them. Lowryder and Lowryder 2 Are probably have the most autoflower traits and could hybrid well. If you used a male from them to pollinate one of the newer Auto strains that have higher THC. Another strain that may be worth a look is Iranian Autoflower.
 

solareclipse

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I read all this... It sounds nice info.
Coz my English is not so good I will read it carefully later when I am free of time.
To understand it better...
Thank u..
I will probably have some questions after that.
 

solareclipse

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No problem. I will try to help if I can.
Hi!!!!
Ot seems u have knowledge about breeding..i would like to write down to u to the next post what i ve done till now and what to do after so i can keep the best genes-traits.
I think u must know the whole story .just give me please some time...
I wish i know u from begin ...
I must get my own autoflowering seeds.
Those plants i hqve now i pollinated them a lot and I won't get any weed...only seeds on .
The seeds i bought and some other start now to show pistills.hopefualy i wipl get sone smoke at all.
I will explain u in the next post.
Tjank u very very much i found u...or u found me...lol...
 

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Jackalope

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I kind of understand what you are getting at. Looks like we may have a bit of a language barrier but we will just deal with it. I know the basics of breeding and make some of my own seeds so I should be able to help you out some.

When you make seeds you are not going to get very much weed to smoke. The seeds take up all the room. There are ways around this.

I do have a couple questions.
Why do you Have to make seeds?
Why do they have to be autoflower?

To start it is going to be easier to make regular seeds than it is to make feminized seeds. Starting at the beginning with regular seeds will be a lot easier and has better chance of success. You need more than seeds you need good seeds.
 

solareclipse

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I do have a couple questions.
Why do you Have to make seeds?
Why do they have to be autoflower?
Ok...lets start from this..
I live in town and I cant grow photoperiods coz of the size.
The last 5-6 years I do only outdoor grows. The only reason I get the lights again is go accelerate the process.
I grow outdoor those years autoflowering beans I buy from net.
What I have in my mind is to get free autos seeds to use 50 and not 5 like before.. 50 in small pots. I just want to get 10-15 gr each plant. If there is 50 I will get half k I 8-10 weeks.
I want to make seeds coz I need quite a few every outdoor grow.
And must be autoflowerin to get one main colas from a small pot.
Pot u can keep it in one hand.
I will try to write down what I did till now and how this begin.
U will find the info interesting and I am sure U will give me the final solution to keep the strain I like.
I want quick flowering
Nice smell (terpens)
And keep the quality up as possible I can.
My family use a lot of oil for medication...
My sister have MS and trying to figure out with doctor's assistance to get the correct strains in ratio to start and produce for her as well.
If I know how to breed then I will try to make seeds same as strain my sis need.
For now we work about the ratio so I can k know which strains to order.
I will write down slowly what is going on those months.. Thank u very much for beeing here and helping me.
Appreciate a lot.. :green_heart::Namaste::thanks:
 

solareclipse

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One day a few months ago I order 5 auto ♀fem seeds. The gorilla glue I order became a gorila glue the opposite. Male -photoperiod.
So I decide to cross it with an anesthesia auto feminisied.
I did it and get the f1 offsprings.
I grow the f1 under ligts to accelerate the process, 18/6 for a couple of weeks and 12/12 after this.
So I get the f2 seeds.. The ones I grow this time. I will show u pictures I will capture after sending u this.
The F2 seeds show their sex under 18/6.
Meanwhile I read about the colloidial silver method and I start trying to get some male pollen sacks from the northern lights autoflowering feminised I bought from seedbank with 3 more autos for mothers...
Where am I now?
Now I took all the autos I breed and are full of seeds outdoor and keep indoor the autos I order and some of my seeds that wasn't auto. (To get some weed)
That was a quick review about what I did till now.
Let me get some pictures... :thumb::high-five:
 

solareclipse

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These r 4 of them. Full of seeds. Suppose to carry f3 100%autos. 50/50 males and females
I have new phone and didnt download picture resizer.
If u don't get them I will try resend them lower quality
 

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Jackalope

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Ok. We can work with that. Sounds like you have lots of seeds now. That will cover you for plants till you can breed better ones. You say you need Autoflower seeds. I don't know very much about Autoflower genetics. I do know it is hard to breed consistent autoflower offspring. They will slowly turn photo if you keep breeding into them. The stronger the Autoflower genetics the better they can pass it on. While it may not be the strongest of all the autoflowers. Lowryder has some of the strongest autoflower traits. If you had it as a regular strain you could use a male from it for breeding. You may need to breed again in the future so don't grow out all of your regular seeds at once. When breeding it is best to deal with at least one known strain. You will learn how things react to it.

You want to avoid making F-2 or F-3 seeds if you can. It will give you a huge difference in offspring. The best way to do what you want is to find a really solid regular Auto strain. Then find a strain that you really like. Cross a male from the regular seeds to the hybrid. You only need to pollinate one or 2 plants to get lots of seeds. Let the others flower without pollen. That should give you some smoke and some seeds. You're going to need to keep the male and the females separate till you are ready to pollinate the female you chose. Then separate them to pollinate the female or females. Than kill the male. This will keep the rest of your crop from getting seeded.

It is hard to breed when you don't know what the plants are going to be. Not all females are going to give you what you want. Since you are limited in what males you are going to use it is best to have a great female to cross it with. It is hard to tell early on what the best plants are. That is the hard thing about breeding auto's. You can't regenerate your best plant. You need to use your very best seeds to breed into.

As you mentioned you are still learning just what you are going to want. No need to make lots of seeds you won't use. Breed a few now than perfect it as you go. Once you find a great F-1 hybrid you like then you can try and self them to make feminized seeds. Better chance of positive results going slow.
 

solareclipse

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Well u suggest me to start over again?
It is very hard to me to start over again.
But ,i can keeping hoping in luck to get something good and to start a new breeding cycle.same time.doing both.

Cross a male from the regular seeds to the hybrid
U mean the regular seeds i will have in a couple of weeks?


Once you find a great F-1 hybrid you like then you can try and self them to make feminized seeds.
U tell me to keep f1 seeds?maybe i missunderstoond what f1-2+3 means because i am on third time crossing and only now i get autoflowering.how to have an f1 offspring?
Sorry for so many questions..
I have a photo showing the boxes and the seeds i have with numbers...
The ladies i get those seeds was many and i name them..no name.numbers .so i know from which one i have these seeds.also i will do the same by name this time the ladies and keep separate each plant's offsprings knowing from which laidie i get thise seeds.
In fact the last grow wasnt so smelly and sticky!!! I really surprised with this grow because when i pick JUST ONE bean to see the colour and if is mature,my fingers are sticky.just from one seed.
Also the room smell awesome even now most of them are outdoor to finish his cycle.
Last question:
-do u have any tips about using colloidal silver ?
I already use one bottle 300ml and start the second .almost 450ml till now.no pollen sacks get.one month.not even pistills.auto northern light fem.
Strange.now i choose a branch with pistils on from an Anesthesia Auto i have and trying to get some pollen to get the fem seeds to start an outdoor grow in small pots as i said.
Too many words but i want to learn...
Knowledge is power!!!
Hope didn't confused u...lol....
I do this a lot.
I write English but in my culture way and is disreadfull hahhahha this is my word i just made it up.ahaahhahahah
Thanks again..a lot!!!!

I believe these seeds i will grow next will be a nice strain.i JUST have a feeling.first offsprings wasn't so good quality.this one are much more better on quality from my little knowledge.
 

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solareclipse

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Well the last picture is a big mistake by me...i left there things to track my country.anyway I don't care for more tha a decade now.
Between the pictures from microscope is a picture with a plant.when i zoom i see a black thing on the leaves.if u zoom u will notice.
Is it just dirt? I am not near to check.i will Tomorrow
 
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