Thanks for the confirmation @StoneOtter ! The treated Blueberry's seem to have quit drinking now so I'll try a foliar spray under the canopy only with hopes that I avoid bud rot issues. Other than the deficiency in the leaves, the buds all look great and are "doing their thing."Hi MissyE, I think so too. I'm going from pics in our problem solver.
Picture 1 and 2 shows a Potassium deficiency
Hi @MissyE,Good Evening Cap'n @Maritimer. Not sure where to start, so I'll jump right in. I have a minor in Botany from my undergraduate studies. During that time, I focused on plant propagation (when, why, and how plants propagate and why they prefer non-sexual propagation) and bonsai techniques (root pruning, stem girth, shaping, pruning, training, tricking plants to be). I absolutely love plants and wanted to spend my life studying them but realized I needed a way to make money to get out of poverty. So, I got an accounting degree and became a Tax Attorney instead which is really an hourly wage job data-mining the internet, court cases, and tax code. Now, 30 years later, I've retired from my day job and Husband has built me the most glorious SheShed imaginable and allows me to spend my days playing with my plants. My knowledge is out of date and rusty and I'm slowly dredging it up and having light-bulb moments as I data-mine and explore various concepts/theories. I'm enjoying playing and providing great tasting flower for our family and friends to enjoy. Some girls collect shoes... I find I collect seeds and strains. I have 26 bonsai momma's that I've collected and maintain bc I never know when I or someone close to me may want or need that particular strain. My joy is in constant learning and now, I am enjoying my days constantly learning about these glorious plants. I'm currently setting up a very small micro-size tissue culture lab bc I want to learn how to grow explants and it could allow me to really really really ramp up my strain collection bc of the space efficiency such would provide (*bonus!*). I read someplace that we can breed through tissue culture too. How fun is that!!!
But, the thing that brings me here and to you, is this search for flavor to enhance the smoking experience bc I am a firm believer in whole flower or fresh rosin and also to search for pushing oil production to the outer-limits... to combine maximum flavor with maximum oil to create the best tasting medicine, or just... the best relaxing smoke.
I'm of average intelligence, likely a bit direct and forget my manners (especially when focused), I'm decent at researching, above-average at thinking outside the box, and I excel at my willingness to try. No harm in trying...
You have started me on my research of ABA and I agree it is important but I don't yet understand the various interactions. It seems to play a major role in signaling (which would be the concert director you mention). I need to delve into this and think.
As for my MeJa treated Blueberry girls, they have quit drinking as they seem solely focused on oil production right now. I treated them with MeJa on the 19th, they drank a gallon of nutrient water on the 20th and drank another half gallon on the 21st. Tomorrow will be Day 6 of their self-induced starvation diet and I'm not sure they are going to be ready for a drink yet... maybe... but their leaves are still perky... like wings of an airplane... so I think no water again tomorrow. I did spray the Potassium Sulfate (they seem to have enjoyed that). I'll post pictures in the morning. I'm off to quiet time now.
Here is to you my new friend... (I do hope that emoji sends positive vibes and is not of the offensive variety, I mean to send a "hat's off to you" or a "toast to you" sort of thing)
Good Morning @StoneOtter, so far, my notes would say timing is not so critical when flowers are setting... there is a good long open window of time when flowers are forming/setting, maybe 14-15 day window when the "stretch" growth phase has ended and the plant is now focusing on flower formation and forming those resin gland structures. That appears to be the perfect time to spray .5 mL of MeJa per gallon of water adding a wetting agent of your choice to the water. I have to shake well and keep shaking throughout the spray process to keep the MeJa suspended and separated. Mine seems to like globbing together as it is hydrophobic, shaking eliminates that issue.Oh yes @MissyE ! I'm a lover of the flavors in our plant! After been gifted a jar of meja and waiting for the right time, I believe it's now with an outdoor favorite of mine. Can you show a pic of a plant on spray day so I can see when in development to spray the outdoor one? Timing is something to tweak between indoors and out. Right around today may be start of flower.
@Maritimer. Thank you for that! Your plants are gorgeous, my buds are always quite small. Tasty but small. I'm so amazed at the large colas others put out. I'll need to figure that out. This brass stocks thing is new to me. I LIKE IT!. I will explore and learn. And Avionics! I salute you. I am not mechanically minded at all. So much to learn here. Trying to write my response here and ADD has kicked in as I'm over reading your FECO journalAnyhow I also threw up a picture of my home made brass stocks so Missy might have a look at the toys I am playing with besides our beloved Jazz.
Interesting. The product receipt from Power Grown says I got "Methyl Dihydrojasmonate" I am certainly not a chemist. Quick research and I found this helpful note on Chemicalforums.com "The biological activity of MeJA (methyl jasmonate) is higher than MDJ (methyl dihydrojasmonate); as well as other jasmonates such as JA (jasmonic acid) and dihydrojasmonic acid. The only company (of which I'm aware) that has carried out considerable research into efficacy of MDJ vs. MeJA and JA as biotic and abiotic stress reducer found MDJ to have lower biological activity than the other two forms, with MeJA being the highest out of all jasmonate forms." And the writer references a review in the Journal of Horticultural Science & Biotechnology, 83(3), pp. 283-304 (2008) Rohwer, C.L. & Erwin, J.E.Ahoy @MissyE
I am afraid I may have bad news for you. Your MeJA should not require agitation other than a shake or two. In my experience the MeJA I buy from PG had to be turned into an ester. Quite simple actually, just adding a few ml of pure grain alcohol into a syringe did the trick. This converts the Jasmonate (JA) they sold me into Methyl Ethel jasmonate (MeJA).
Perhaps you were unaware of the required dilution?
I think you do too! And now we are discovering there are several different forms of Jasmonates and we need to pay attention to which chemical formulation we are actually getting.I will add this note about Power Grown. I fully believe I know more about their product than they do. especially how and when to use it.
I would love to have a look at the review.And the writer references a review in the Journal of Horticultural Science & Biotechnology, 83(3), pp. 283-304 (2008) Rohwer, C.L. & Erwin, J.E.
Have you seen this Journal article Maritimer? If not, I can get a copy to you as I've found the full article on-line... printing it to read now. It looks useful.
Looks like I got a slightly inferior product than you did. I'm so thankful you noticed I had an issue. I do not see Jasmonate on the Powergrown current products list... just the MDJ that I got. More the reason to get a Sigma Aldrich account.
Can you access this link?I would love to have a look at the review.
I want it all. LolI guarantee you will be gardening plants that produce more essential oils packed with higher concentrations of both THC and CBD if you follow my simple ways. Then coupled with your proven methods we can surely raise the bar. Imagine regularly producing 15% to 20% and higher rosin/gram concentrations when compared to traditional growing methods. And if you want cola's my friend, we can certainly make that happen.
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Yea,the yea's have it! It's nice to see you here @MissyE ! I've been waiting to grow personal seeds to try this. Not scientific as you two but I can mechanically get it done with your help and am gratefully waiting to start up my grow again in late September after some traveling. The one in the yard now may get a spray if I have enough for it. It's a big outdoor plant.Stone Im thinking we have us a bonafied science officer aboard. We should appoint her commision asap.
Full strength , no dilution, spray in evening before lights out or sunset. We can get more MeJA, so get outside and give that big girl a foliar spray. Don't worry about spraying flowers so much, you are spraying her leaves where her sensitivities (JA pathways) are most prevalent. The flowers are not harmed by the spray but also I do not point at them.Yea,the yea's have it! It's nice to see you here @MissyE ! I've been waiting to grow personal seeds to try this. Not scientific as you two but I can mechanically get it done with your help and am gratefully waiting to start up my grow again in late September after some traveling. The one in the yard now may get a spray if I have enough for it. It's a big outdoor plant.
Maritimer, the jar of Meja you sent me, do I use it full strength or dilute it?
Ooh, I'll have to cover the tomatoes 6 feet away then! I have a concern. Do you think a treatment will change the way she fares the great out of doors?Full strength , no dilution, spray in evening before lights out or sunset. We can get more MeJA, so get outside and give that big girl a foliar spray. Don't worry about spraying flowers so much, you are spraying her leaves where her sensitivities (JA pathways) are most prevalent. The flowers are not harmed by the spray but also I do not point at them.
Overspray is a big concern if other plants are near, and also I protect the root zone with a towel or cloth as we are not too sure how the hormone acts down yonder.
I think she will be one up on any insects and herbivores as this is her natural defense against the critters.Ooh, I'll have to cover the tomatoes 6 feet away then! I have a concern. Do you think a treatment will change the way she fares the great out of doors?