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Chimera
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Nevermind guys. Simple case of nute burn, i'm afraid. 
Chimeras White Widow Garden (First Grow)
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cigo
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looks not important damage for plant... ^^
ultrasonic
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good stuff man good stuff
I'm glad to see your baby survived the storm!
+rep for having some balls
I'm glad to see your baby survived the storm!
+rep for having some balls
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Chimera
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Unfortunately, it seems that the nute damage is getting worse.... and the tips of several leaves are now looking crispy....
Decided to try flushing with PH stabilized water. We will see if they recover... more pics to come tomorrow. Hopefully they will be happy ones.
Decided to try flushing with PH stabilized water. We will see if they recover... more pics to come tomorrow. Hopefully they will be happy ones.
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On second thought maybe one of you guys could help me? What did I do wrong?
Took a GH bucket, added 2 gallons of water, 5ml of micro, then added 5ml of grow, and 5ml of bloom (all GH). Added appx. 4-5ml of ph down in order to get my ph to 5.2, and then added plants and turned on.
Ever since the nute burn as been really bad and the edges of each leaf are starting to deteriorate.
Took a GH bucket, added 2 gallons of water, 5ml of micro, then added 5ml of grow, and 5ml of bloom (all GH). Added appx. 4-5ml of ph down in order to get my ph to 5.2, and then added plants and turned on.
Ever since the nute burn as been really bad and the edges of each leaf are starting to deteriorate.
Take a look at *this chart* and try to identify the problem. I hope it turns out alright.
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Chimera
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THANK YOU MILLY.
Invaluable post. I'll be sure to check this out when I get home today and better diagnose.
Invaluable post. I'll be sure to check this out when I get home today and better diagnose.
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After consulting the guide and making adjustments, I'm finally starting to see sure signs of recovery.
I moved the PH from 5.2 up to 6.0, remixed nutes at 2.5ml of micro, grow, and bloom, and changed buckets to a cycle of 30off/30on.
Hooray.
I moved the PH from 5.2 up to 6.0, remixed nutes at 2.5ml of micro, grow, and bloom, and changed buckets to a cycle of 30off/30on.
Hooray.
ultrasonic
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If you don't already know it, a fellow named Lucas created a formula called the Lucas Formula that uses GH nutes, but only the MICRO and BLOOM. It was found that those two contain everything that mj needs (which is apparently higher mag/cal/metals). The lucas formula for CFLs are micro 5ml bloom 10ml. HIDs are 8M 16B. Some use, for example "Rumpleforeskin" over at Grasscity, under a 400w HID, I believe uses the CFL formula for vegging, and the HID for blooming. No additives. Makes it easier to buy nutrients, and much easier to measure.
Just my 2
peace, and good luck... def. sounded to me like your PPMs were too high at first. Any photo updates?
Just my 2
peace, and good luck... def. sounded to me like your PPMs were too high at first. Any photo updates?
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Was just about to upload as you posted. I'll check out the Lucas Formula for sure, sounds interesting.
Thought I was going to loose these two but thanks to another helpful 420 member and the amazing vitality of the ganja plant, they survived and are coming back to life.
Oh my little one is growing up so fast...
Nute burn victim #1
Nute burn victim #2
Batch 2 will be ready for the ebb & flow table soon, but for now, just a table.
I'll check out the Lucas Formula for sure, sounds interesting.Thought I was going to loose these two but thanks to another helpful 420 member and the amazing vitality of the ganja plant, they survived and are coming back to life.
Oh my little one is growing up so fast...
Nute burn victim #1
Nute burn victim #2
Batch 2 will be ready for the ebb & flow table soon, but for now, just a table.
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Almost another casualty of a grow room fire...HELP!
oh shit.
Went to check on the children during what should have been daytime cycle, but the light was off. Checking the power, I suddenly noticed that my timer had been fused to the cable of my ballast. after ripping them apart and unplugging the ballast cable, the air was filled with a burning smell.
I'm running off of Two different outlets but I never took the time to map the place out, so they could be all on the same circuit..
Here's the layout:
Outlet 1:
2 small GH air pumps
2 440CFM Fans
1 200CFM Fan
1 20" box fan
2 timers (1800w capacity)
Outlet 2:
1000 watt ballast
1 timer (1800w capacity)
My only guess is that I ran the outlet too hard? I need some electrical advice here from someone knowledgeable.
Am I correct in my assumption? and if so how do I map my place out?
PLEASE HELP.
oh shit.
Went to check on the children during what should have been daytime cycle, but the light was off. Checking the power, I suddenly noticed that my timer had been fused to the cable of my ballast. after ripping them apart and unplugging the ballast cable, the air was filled with a burning smell.
I'm running off of Two different outlets but I never took the time to map the place out, so they could be all on the same circuit..
Here's the layout:
Outlet 1:
2 small GH air pumps
2 440CFM Fans
1 200CFM Fan
1 20" box fan
2 timers (1800w capacity)
Outlet 2:
1000 watt ballast
1 timer (1800w capacity)
My only guess is that I ran the outlet too hard? I need some electrical advice here from someone knowledgeable.
Am I correct in my assumption? and if so how do I map my place out?
PLEASE HELP.
ultrasonic
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How many amps is that timer rated for? Watts aren't a good measure, you need amps. It looks like you could have overloaded stuff - it's not a good idea to use outlets for your grow if you don't know what else is on them. I'm glad to hear all is well though. thank goodness.
There is a safe amount of "draw" that your outlets/power box can handle. For example, code requires homes to have a min. of a 100amp main electrical panel. This means that the total load is 100amps. On the rest of the panel, there are breakers rated at 20 amps, 30 amps, etc for your stove, clothes dryer, lights, heat, in all different rooms. These ratings mean that each individual circuit can only use a maximum of said circuit. If you try to draw 21 amps of a 20 amp circuit, it trips.
There is however a safe load, which (please don't quote me) is I think 80% of the breakers limit, as a general safety rule. I think if you've been riding on the fence, alot of heat will be generated, and could have the cause of your meltdown.
1000w ballasts use twice as much amperage at 120v as they do at 240v, which is why people prefer them. You can attach more to a circuit at a time safely. Digital ballasts are a little better as well. (you could run 7 digitals where normally only 6 could be run)
If you've got a 2 rooms, with 2 outlets, they very well could be on the same circuit. Individual outlets won't matter much when it comes to total draw. Me for example, am lucky enough to have a decent breaker setup. 1/2 of my room shares the bathroom circuit (and we don't use hairdryers, bonus, cause they're high amperage), the other 1/2 shares a totally unused 20amp. This is where I will plug in my 1000w (we've got pretty well the same equipment)
When your lights turn on, at your electrical panel, does a particular breaker start to Hum or buzz? This could indicate an old breaker that is failing to trip properly and should be replaced. You also could possibly upgrade the breaker from 20 to 30 amps to handle the extra load.
But please note i'm not electrical expert. I'm just passing on what I know to be true and (where stated) a little guess work.
Keep us updated man, and good luck.
PS - I just noticed the part about mapping out your circuits. What you want to do is turn off all your sensetive eq. like tvs/computers etc. Then, one by one, turn off a breaker to see what it shuts off. Alot of them are labeled by the electrician. (i've never had a house that wasn't). Some will be for lights in multiple rooms, some for plugs. Some will be for baseboard heaters, dryer, stove, water heater (but those will be the honkin' big breakers, the 30amp guys, w/ 2 switches together.) Once you knock off the larger guys, depending on how big your house is, it'll take some effort but its well worth it to know what goes where. Hope this helps!
There is a safe amount of "draw" that your outlets/power box can handle. For example, code requires homes to have a min. of a 100amp main electrical panel. This means that the total load is 100amps. On the rest of the panel, there are breakers rated at 20 amps, 30 amps, etc for your stove, clothes dryer, lights, heat, in all different rooms. These ratings mean that each individual circuit can only use a maximum of said circuit. If you try to draw 21 amps of a 20 amp circuit, it trips.
There is however a safe load, which (please don't quote me) is I think 80% of the breakers limit, as a general safety rule. I think if you've been riding on the fence, alot of heat will be generated, and could have the cause of your meltdown.
1000w ballasts use twice as much amperage at 120v as they do at 240v, which is why people prefer them. You can attach more to a circuit at a time safely. Digital ballasts are a little better as well. (you could run 7 digitals where normally only 6 could be run)
If you've got a 2 rooms, with 2 outlets, they very well could be on the same circuit. Individual outlets won't matter much when it comes to total draw. Me for example, am lucky enough to have a decent breaker setup. 1/2 of my room shares the bathroom circuit (and we don't use hairdryers, bonus, cause they're high amperage), the other 1/2 shares a totally unused 20amp. This is where I will plug in my 1000w (we've got pretty well the same equipment)
When your lights turn on, at your electrical panel, does a particular breaker start to Hum or buzz? This could indicate an old breaker that is failing to trip properly and should be replaced. You also could possibly upgrade the breaker from 20 to 30 amps to handle the extra load.
But please note i'm not electrical expert. I'm just passing on what I know to be true and (where stated) a little guess work.
Keep us updated man, and good luck.
PS - I just noticed the part about mapping out your circuits. What you want to do is turn off all your sensetive eq. like tvs/computers etc. Then, one by one, turn off a breaker to see what it shuts off. Alot of them are labeled by the electrician. (i've never had a house that wasn't). Some will be for lights in multiple rooms, some for plugs. Some will be for baseboard heaters, dryer, stove, water heater (but those will be the honkin' big breakers, the 30amp guys, w/ 2 switches together.) Once you knock off the larger guys, depending on how big your house is, it'll take some effort but its well worth it to know what goes where. Hope this helps!
Ultrasonic that was a pretty dope explanation bro. I hate dealing with that kind of stuff because I don't know what Im doin but that was a good enough explanation that I could follow along. Chim Chimera I hope you get that electrical problem under control. The girls are so beautiful I'd hate for you to lose them. Be sure to post how you solved this dilemma
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Chimera
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Thank you so much Ultrasonic. You've made things really clear! I too have an attached bathroom to my grow space (and don't even own a hairdryer) so hopefully I get lucky! I've got a good meter lent to me so that I can go around and check which breaker goes where.
Thanks again; I'll keep you guys updated on how things go.
+Rep for knowledge & effort.
Thanks again; I'll keep you guys updated on how things go.
+Rep for knowledge & effort.
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Chimera
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Every fluorescent light fixture in my house, from the CFLs that were in my livingroom, to my reading lamp, have been relocated to the grow room.
Surprisingly enough, I've seen a lot of growth within the day since changing the light out. Who would have thought? However, for all that growth, there's also been a lot of stretching...
Apparently $40 gets you a new ballast cable airmailed to you with second day delivery. $5 of which is the cost of the actual product, $35 is the shipping. Kind of ridiculous, but essential. Crossing my fingers that the ballast still works. Only time will tell.
Running electrical tests tomorrow. Wish me luck, my fellow ganja smokers.
Surprisingly enough, I've seen a lot of growth within the day since changing the light out. Who would have thought? However, for all that growth, there's also been a lot of stretching...
Apparently $40 gets you a new ballast cable airmailed to you with second day delivery. $5 of which is the cost of the actual product, $35 is the shipping. Kind of ridiculous, but essential. Crossing my fingers that the ballast still works. Only time will tell.
Running electrical tests tomorrow. Wish me luck, my fellow ganja smokers.
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Chimera
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The garden continues!
Despite my electrical problems, the garden continues!
Finally seeing some progress under these CFLs. New cable for my ballast should be here today, allowing me to turn back on that daylight MH Light. FINALLY.
Despite my electrical problems, the garden continues!
Finally seeing some progress under these CFLs. New cable for my ballast should be here today, allowing me to turn back on that daylight MH Light. FINALLY.
ultrasonic
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They're looking great!
How goes it with the power situation?
How goes it with the power situation?
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Chimera
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My power cable for my ballast was late, though the tracking says it should come in today. I'm going to pick up the biggest, shortest extension cable that I can find after work today, and just use that for now. so at least I'll be able to turn the big light back on! Later this week I'm going to consult my father, who spent a better part of his life as an electrical engineer and have him help me put together a fatty 10 gage extension so that I'm really secure!
Fortunately though all of my plants are now in Hydro, and not a single one in this batch showed any signs of transplant stress! Think I'm getting better at this.
Fortunately though all of my plants are now in Hydro, and not a single one in this batch showed any signs of transplant stress! Think I'm getting better at this.