Cooking with The Chronic

[BobbyZ]

It is quite a mystery to me why it feels so completely different for me to smoke cannabis as opposed to take it by oil because I have spent the last couple days searching the Internet for people who say it is different for them and eating it makes them feel anxious and I haven’t found anybody that says that.

There’s lots of articles about the chemistry and how the body metabolizes the THC when you eat it but none of them talk about how the high feels different and I find none that say that eating it makes them feel anxious so I don’t know why it does me and that’s why I posted in this forum because I know everyone here is cooking and eating with so I really curious if anybody else in this cooking thread finds that too.

Every strain has a different effect for me. Try smaller doses. Cut whatever you’re consuming in half. Report back. It takes time to find the right plant and amount. I’ve been going for two years straight. Just when I think it couldn’t get better, the newest strain blows me away. Sounds like your defiantly looking for an Indica dominant strain. I’ve always had a good chill with anything blueberry.

 

[Cannasavvy]

It is quite a mystery to me why it feels so completely different for me to smoke cannabis as opposed to take it by oil because I have spent the last couple days searching the Internet for people who say it is different for them and eating it makes them feel anxious and I haven’t found anybody that says that.

There’s lots of articles about the chemistry and how the body metabolizes the THC when you eat it but none of them talk about how the high feels different and I find none that say that eating it makes them feel anxious so I don’t know why it does me and that’s why I posted in this forum because I know everyone here is cooking and eating with so I really curious if anybody else in this cooking thread finds that too.

For me eating vs smoking give very different effects. I am intolerant to high cbd either orally or smoked, but i LOVE it in topicals. More "sativa" type strains can be too racy for me. I feel that the differences among strains are more pronounced in smoking than in oral consumption. So im much more picky which strains i smoke and anything less desirable gets made into oil.

I bet those plants would make amazing topical oil. If you decide you cant use them any other way. Topicals are great for arthritis.

 

[Preston9mm]

Trying something new...

I'll be running a 1/2 oz batch with Candida, and a full oz batch with trim & popcorn buds from BB Twist, Cheese, and Moby Dick.
All the herb is in the oven right now. Doing a 2 hour decarb @240° inside Turkey roasting bags.

Stay lifted y'all, I'll update as this unfolds...

-P

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

It is quite a mystery to me why it feels so completely different for me to smoke cannabis as opposed to take it by oil because I have spent the last couple days searching the Internet for people who say it is different for them and eating it makes them feel anxious and I haven’t found anybody that says that.

There’s lots of articles about the chemistry and how the body metabolizes the THC when you eat it but none of them talk about how the high feels different and I find none that say that eating it makes them feel anxious so I don’t know why it does me and that’s why I posted in this forum because I know everyone here is cooking and eating with so I really curious if anybody else in this cooking thread finds that too.

I get a very different feeling from edibles (oils) than from smoking too. I think it’s a lot easier to ingest too much, than it is to smoke too much. As the couple others said before me, I would cut way down on the amount you’re taking and gradually increase, based on how you’re feeling. I think @Cannasavvy made a great suggestion with making a topical oil for the arthritis symptoms. I’d hate to see you waste all your grow efforts! Good luck with finding the right CBD strain, some seed banks say “high cbd” but compared to the amount of CBD in strains like Candida, it’s not even close (seriously, not even close).

 

[BeezLuiz]

I wouldn't worry about the Northern Lights because it is an old standard instead I think the problem is I am making oil out of it and not smoking it.

Here's my 2 cents: I definitely feel the difference between smoking and edibles, where edibles are more inconsistent for me. Sometimes I get too high -- and a bit anxious, other times I just get sleepy. I'm still working on dialing in the oil making process.
How do you make your oil?
Here's something that you can try: Decarb your weed twice as long as you usually do. That will convert a lot of the THC into CBN which is sedative. Then your oil that you make with it will be more of a relaxed, sleepy effect than a mental high.

 

[Homer Simpson]

Every strain has a different effect for me. Try smaller doses. Cut whatever you’re consuming in half. Report back. It takes time to find the right plant and amount. I’ve been going for two years straight. Just when I think it couldn’t get better, the newest strain blows me away. Sounds like your defiantly looking for an Indica dominant strain. I’ve always had a good chill with anything blueberry.

I appreciate the input Bobby and I may try lower doses but my problem is that the overwhelming effect of taking oil is a feeling of physical anxiety to the point where I can hardly even feel being high I just feel anxious so I think cutting down will just have me feeling less anxious and not high at all. But I do take your recommendation of different strains to heart and will definitely consider something blueberry in the future, thanks again.

I really think to figure out if it is this weed that is my problem or it is that making it into oil affects me negatively tonight despite not wanting to I am going to roll up a big fat one and see how I feel from smoking one. One won’t kill my lungs and I really need to figure this out. Will report later.

 

[Homer Simpson]

For me eating vs smoking give very different effects. I am intolerant to high cbd either orally or smoked, but i LOVE it in topicals. More "sativa" type strains can be too racy for me. I feel that the differences among strains are more pronounced in smoking than in oral consumption. So im much more picky which strains i smoke and anything less desirable gets made into oil.

I bet those plants would make amazing topical oil. If you decide you cant use them any other way. Topicals are great for arthritis.

I find just the opposite because I spend at least a decade being a pretty chronic cannabis smoker in my younger days and I never really noticed any big difference in my high depending on what I was smoking so I guess everyone’s results vary, lol.

Several people have suggested topicals but I really don’t look at that as a great solution for me for two reasons. First off having spent 30 years in the construction trades it isn’t just my knees my whole body is pretty beat up when it comes to my joints so I would have to be covered from pretty much head to toe plus I am a hairy old SOB so using oil for me would be kind of like trying to apply it through a shag carpet. Sorry for the disturbing imagery, LOL. Thanks for the input it’s all appreciated.

 

[Homer Simpson]

I get a very different feeling from edibles (oils) than from smoking too. I think it’s a lot easier to ingest too much, than it is to smoke too much. As the couple others said before me, I would cut way down on the amount you’re taking and gradually increase, based on how you’re feeling. I think @Cannasavvy made a great suggestion with making a topical oil for the arthritis symptoms. I’d hate to see you waste all your grow efforts! Good luck with finding the right CBD strain, some seed banks say “high cbd” but compared to the amount of CBD in strains like Candida, it’s not even close (seriously, not even close).

I wonder if you could elaborate how you feel very different from edibles than smoking and whether edibles make you feel anxious? I did address the amount I’m taking in the previous post and topicals. Yes, I am aware some high CBD strains actually only have about 1%. As I mentioned I do have Cannatonic in the veg room but if that doesn’t work out I did make a note about Candida and I appreciate the info. Thanks a lot.

 

[Homer Simpson]

Here's my 2 cents: I definitely feel the difference between smoking and edibles, where edibles are more inconsistent for me. Sometimes I get too high -- and a bit anxious, other times I just get sleepy. I'm still working on dialing in the oil making process.
How do you make your oil?
Here's something that you can try: Decarb your weed twice as long as you usually do. That will convert a lot of the THC into CBN which is sedative. Then your oil that you make with it will be more of a relaxed, sleepy effect than a mental high.

I have been making my own oil by debcarbing at 225° in the oven for one hour and then putting it in a water filled crockpot on a slow boil inside a Mason jar with oil for about six hours.

I knew that THCA is converted to THC during decarbing but I did not realize that it will also convert THC into CBN. I know that THC is converted to CBN when your trichombs become Amber which is why I haven’t harvested yet so I will try decarbing for maybe two or three hours at 225F and see if that makes any difference. Thanks for your two cents Beezluiz; that was very helpful.

I really appreciate all the help everyone has given me on this thread. I’m sorry for hijacking it temporarily because I know it is a cooking thread but I figure you folks here have a lot of experience with edibles so I appreciate all yours help and indulgence.

 

[InTheShed]

like trying to apply it through a shag carpet.

I have been making my own oil by debcarbing at 225° in the oven for one hour and then putting it in a water filled crockpot on a slow boil inside a Mason jar with oil for about six hours.

I knew that THCA is converted to THC during decarbing but I did not realize that it will also convert THC into CBN. I know that THC is converted to CBN when your trichombs become Amber which is why I haven’t harvested yet so I will try decarbing for maybe two or three hours at 225F and see if that makes any difference.

I'm curious about your ratio of bud to oil as that will make an enormous difference to the strength. What are your numbers and I can give you an approximate strength. That might be a helpful line to pursue here.

I have heard before about long decarbs increasing CBN but I haven't seen any science on it. I think the best way to increase CBN is to let the trichomes go almost completely amber before harvest and then dry and cure in warm temps in daylight.

 

[Homer Simpson]

I'm curious about your ratio of bud to oil as that will make an enormous difference to the strength. What are your numbers and I can give you an approximate strength. That might be a helpful line to pursue here.

I have heard before about long decarbs increasing CBN but I haven't seen any science on it. I think the best way to increase CBN is to let the trichomes go almost completely amber before harvest and then dry and cure in warm temps in daylight.

Again, sorry about the disturbing imagery, LOL.

I have made about four test batches now and I don’t know my ratios but what I do is cut up my bud into small pieces with scissors and then put in enough olive oil to fully cover whatever amount of bud I have in the Mason jar. I know that’s not very scientific but I seem to be getting pretty much the same strength from every batch.

As I said I really don’t know if strength and dosage is my issue because I find I am getting very little feeling of a high and yet quite strong feelings of anxiety so it seems to me if I lower my dosage enough to not feel anxious I won’t be high at all. I will try although to lower my dosage and see what happens but I honestly don’t think that is going to be a solution because I think if I lower my dosage enough so I am not anxious I will not be high at all so what’s the point.

I do have three reasons for taking cannabis; firstly for my arthritis secondly to help me sleep at night and thirdly just to have fun and get high sometimes. If I can find a way to use it for the first two I can live with that but it would be nice to be able to just relax and get stoned occasionally also which is why I am pursuing this problem.

And yes I have never read that long decarbs lead to increased CBM but it won’t hurt to give it a try. Again Shed, thank you for all your help and I will report back about how my smoking experiment went. I have to go out and get some groceries and do some running around so I will talk to you later my friend.

 

[Cannasavvy]

I apply

I find just the opposite because I spend at least a decade being a pretty chronic cannabis smoker in my younger days and I never really noticed any big difference in my high depending on what I was smoking so I guess everyone’s results vary, lol.

Several people have suggested topicals but I really don’t look at that as a great solution for me for two reasons. First off having spent 30 years in the construction trades it isn’t just my knees my whole body is pretty beat up when it comes to my joints so I would have to be covered from pretty much head to toe plus I am a hairy old SOB so using oil for me would be kind of like trying to apply it through a shag carpet. Sorry for the disturbing imagery, LOL. Thanks for the input it’s all appreciated.

I apply salve chin to toes twice a day. My husband is furry and he prefers a spray on oil applicator. For me cannabinoids inside + outside = maximum comfort. Hubby was a union ironworker, structural steel. Just some thoughts not to rule out anything too hastily.

 

[Homer Simpson]

I apply

I apply salve chin to toes twice a day. My husband is furry and he prefers a spray on oil applicator. For me cannabinoids inside + outside = maximum comfort. Hubby was a union ironworker, structural steel. Just some thoughts not to rule out anything too hastily.

I appreciate the input Cannasavvy and I appreciate your wisdom about not ruling anything out too hastily; if things don’t work out ingesting oil maybe I will end up with some kind of a sprayer contraption.

And yes I am all-too-familiar with union ironworkers because I spent my career being a union construction millwright so I have worked with hundreds of ironworkers. I have some friends who are ironworkers but basically, here our unions fight like cats and dogs over work jurisdiction so out of appreciation for your help I didn’t refer to them as bolt heads or ironic workers, LOL. I am sure at least once over his career you heard him talk about those damn millwrights, LOL.

 

[KingJoe83]

Holy crap...wouldnt that make your oil like 25-30mg/ml!? Nice write up btw

Damn I figure mine in fridge about 16.7 mg per ml

 

[Cannasavvy]

I appreciate the input Cannasavvy and I appreciate your wisdom about not ruling anything out too hastily; if things don’t work out ingesting oil maybe I will end up with some kind of a sprayer contraption.

And yes I am all-too-familiar with union ironworkers because I spent my career being a union construction millwright so I have worked with hundreds of ironworkers. I have some friends who are ironworkers but basically, here our unions fight like cats and dogs over work jurisdiction so out of appreciation for your help I didn’t refer to them as bolt heads or ironic workers, LOL. I am sure at least once over his career you heard him talk about those damn millwrights, LOL.

He prefers to be known as an erection specialist.

 

[InTheShed]

Many people would!

 

[BeezLuiz]

And yes I have never read that long decarbs lead to increased CBM but it won’t hurt to give it a try. Again Shed, thank you for all your help and I will report back about how my smoking experiment went. I have to go out and get some groceries and do some running around so I will talk to you later my friend.

Actually I've read it several places, which is what prompted me to buy the Ardent decarb unit. Here a snipit of what they say on their website (of course they are trying to sell you something):
A deceptively simple concept, executing proper decarboxylation is difficult even for professionals. Incorrect decarboxylation leads to hydroklized (burned off) cannabinoids, degraded THC to CBN, and/or fail to fully convert, all of which result in inferior medicine with wide variability in dosing and effectiveness.

Also, I have tested it out first-hand. I made some oil with 2 decarb cycles. I take it at night an hour or so before bedtime. Works great - I get almost zero "high" but sleep really well.

 

[InTheShed]

Thanks BL...I'm going to give that a try!

 

[Homer Simpson]

Actually I've read it several places, which is what prompted me to buy the Ardent decarb unit. Here a snipit of what they say on their website (of course they are trying to sell you something):
A deceptively simple concept, executing proper decarboxylation is difficult even for professionals. Incorrect decarboxylation leads to hydroklized (burned off) cannabinoids, degraded THC to CBN, and/or fail to fully convert, all of which result in inferior medicine with wide variability in dosing and effectiveness.

Also, I have tested it out first-hand. I made some oil with 2 decarb cycles. I take it at night an hour or so before bedtime. Works great - I get almost zero "high" but sleep really well.

Thanks for the reference Beez Luiz. As I said I had never read that decarbing led to increased CBD but I was going to give it a try anyways but now I will have more faith in the process. Thanks again for the tip and the reference. I checked out your Ardent unit, pretty cool!

 

[InTheShed]

Thanks for the reference Beez Luiz. As I said I had never read that decarbing led to increased CBD but I was going to give it a try anyways but now I will have more faith in the process. Thanks again for the tip and the reference.

I had read that about CBD, and it's usually just someone who is confused on the difference between CBD and CBN. For those who don't know, CBD is genetically programmed into the plant and there's nothing that can be done to increase its percentages later on. CBN is the cannabinoid that produces couchlock and sedation, and it's what THC degrades into.