I apologize if this was posted in the wrong section as i am new to this forum, but basically im visiting somalia for the next 4 months and i have been an avid smoker for about 8 years. Finding anything to smoke here is extremely difficult and when you do find the right person it usualy takes days for them to deliver it (which is probably the lowest grade of marijuana you could possibly find lol). so i decided to germinate and plant a few bag seeds i had saved from my last score. The terrain we have here is mostly bushland and arid where not many plants naturally grow in the soil. The place im staying has a small villa with many exotic plants so i used on of the empty pots to plant my seeds. im not sure what kind of soil is used for the other plants but they seem to be growing just fine so i figured the cannabis plants should do the same. The 5 seeds i planted grew out about 4 inches so far after 4 days and my question is what is the probability of these plants surviving and actually yielding some buds. Mind you this is a 3rd world country where proper nutrients are hard to come by...any help would be greatly appreciated
First Time Grower - In A Third World Country
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Hey Recyclops, first of all Holy Sh!t I think you have to have balls to go to Somalia.
But let me ask you, if you got those seeds from your last score aren't you just going to end up with more of the " worst grade of marijuana you could find?" Clearly I have no experience growing in such a place but if exotic plants grow then your weeds should grow. It's not a delicate plant.
If it's too arid you can also create mini plastic greenhouse domes to keep moisture in. If the soil is shitty everywhere and if you can't get fertilizer then you could have trouble. But you can make compost, even if you have to collect vegetation from naturally growing plants and compost them. Also do a search for natural ferts. Good luck!
But let me ask you, if you got those seeds from your last score aren't you just going to end up with more of the " worst grade of marijuana you could find?" Clearly I have no experience growing in such a place but if exotic plants grow then your weeds should grow. It's not a delicate plant.
If it's too arid you can also create mini plastic greenhouse domes to keep moisture in. If the soil is shitty everywhere and if you can't get fertilizer then you could have trouble. But you can make compost, even if you have to collect vegetation from naturally growing plants and compost them. Also do a search for natural ferts. Good luck!
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we have gallons of filtered water laying around, would that be sufficient? and im very curious to know how urine can be used as a nute? i appreciate the quick reply and thanks in advaced!
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haha its not so bad here i live in a well guarded safe area (i have family in the government)...but Ive done a bit of research and although im not sure if its true i read that you can grow a decent plant with bag seed as long as the proper precautions and care is given to the plant.The weather is decent this time of year with averaging in the mid 80's with around 80% humidity.its right on the equator so im not sure if that helps.. obviously where i am its almost impossible to find premium, let alone regular nutes for growing plants..im not using the natural soil found here, but a store bought soil thats kind of reddish brown almost like dried mud and sand combined (can provide pics if needed) thats used to grow everything else in the garden...and do u have ay links on making ferts? i really appreciate the help tho bud thanks!
Yes, urine works great! I tried this myself. I had a problem with nitrogen deficiency and I mixed 100 ml with a liter of water. Urine not only helps with nitrogen, but also with other nutrients as well. Found this info upon googling:
Nutrient Levels (approximation, will vary according to diet)
Alanine, total ..... 38 mg/day
Arginine, total ..... 32 mg/day
Ascorbic acid ..... 30 mg/day
Allantoin ..... 12 mg/day
Amino acids, total ..... 2.1 g/day
Bicarbonate ..... 140 mg/day
Biotin ..... 35 mg/day
Calcium ..... 23 mg/day
Creatinine ..... 1.4 mg/day
Cystine ..... 120 mg/day
Dopamine ..... 0.40 mg/day
Epinephrine ..... 0.01 mg/day
Folic acid ..... 4 mg/day
Glucose ..... 100 mg/day
Glutamic acid ..... 308 mg/day
Glycine ..... 455 mg/day
Inositol ..... 14 mg/day
Iodine ..... 0.25 mg/day
Iron ..... 0.5 mg/day
Lysine, total ..... 56 mg/day
Magnesium ..... 100 mg/day
Manganese ..... 0.5 mg/day
Methionine, total ..... 10 mg/day
Nitrogen, total ..... 15 g/day
Ornithine ..... 10 mg/day
Pantothenic acid ..... 3 mg/day
Phenylalanine ..... 21 mg/day
Phosphorus, organic ..... 9 mg/day
Potassium ..... 2.5 mg/day
Proteins, total ..... 5 mg/day
Riboflavin ..... 0.9 mg/day
Tryptophan, total ..... 28 mg/day
Tyrosine, total ..... 50 mg/day
Urea ..... 24.5 mg/day
Vitamin B6 ..... 100 mg/day
Vitamin B12 ..... 0.03 mg/day
Zinc ..... 1.4 mg/day
If you still need some info on making organic ferts, here you go:
I take no credit for this, it was posted on another forum I'm a member of.
**note: most of these teas/mixtures involve some mixing, but a lot of wait time. this is to fully let the properties of the substance combine with the water, and for microbial activity to start. Do not skip the waiting**
Vegetative Teas:
Worm humus:
Origin:this mix is produced from the excrement of worms. they ingest organic material and you end up with this. The best quality of worm humus is going to be from the Californian worms.
Provides: water soluble, and boosts microbes in the soil
Preparation: In 5 liters of water, add in 400gr (about 2 cups) and let it sit for 2 days. stirring every so often to keep it well mixed and the water somewhat oxygenated.
Applicationuring the watering, mixing 1 part of poo-juice with 3 parts water. you can add this in weekly.
Blood Meal:
Origin: After removing and drying blood from animals(usually in a slaughterhouse), it is ground up into a fine powder.
Provides about 12-15%N, 1.2%P, and 1%k
Preparation: in a container, add 1 part blood meal to 9 parts water. cover. over 1 week, open to burp the mix, and stir. after, filter with coffee strainer.
Application: Applying usually only when N deficiency is noted, add to water to create a 10%-25% strength solution.
Gypsum
Origin: CaSO4. Its a rock basically, you can find it naturally outdoors, or (probably easier) at a local plant shop.
Provides: Activates healthy microbial activity. Corrects salinity (toxic salt levels). Provides sulfur, calcium and potassium. Regulates pH, and most importantly, helps in the absorption of N.
Preparation: add 1 pound of gypsum powder (use a mortar and pistil if its too coarse) to the inside of a nylon stocking, or other fine screen material. place this inside a container with 5L of water. Cover. leave for 1-2 weeks, opening the container to stir briskly every few days.
Application: Add it in with the water when pH is unstable, max 10% strength (so dilute it!). dilute it to 5% if mixing it with a N tea, and can be used weekly.
Fishmeal
Origin: obtained from dried, ground fish.
Provides: 8%N, 7%P, trace elements.
Preparation: mix 10% of this powder with 90% water in a container. leave it a week covered, and opening it to burp out the gas (dont breathe it in, smells). Filter at the end of the week.
Application: Dilute the mix, 1part fishgoop with 10 parts water. add in weekly with the feedings, or when a N/P deficiency is noted.
Bat Guano
Origin: decomposed bat poo. preferably pasteurized (since bats can and do carry disease, like rabies!)
Provides: High in N, but also contains P and trace elements. Fresher guano has higher N rating
Preparation: 2 tablespoons of bat poo in 4 -5 liters of water. let sit for 1 week
Application: mix the finished poo water, 1 part to 3 parts water. use every 2 weeks.
Mixed Teas: This is ok for veg + flowering.
Compost Tea (one of my favorites, as i use ground up male plants, or the sticks/stems/fan leaves of the harvested females for this)
Origin: The easiest to come across commercially, or to make at home. this is used worldwide with a variety of ingredients.
Provides: A big boost of microorganisms, helps feed the plants, and boosts a plant's immune system. NPK ratios vary depending the type of compost made.
Preparation: Place a bunch of dead plants in a nylon stocking or screen, put that inside a bucket with about 15L of water, adding water as it evaporates (which means leave it uncovered). after 2 weeks, dump the inside of the bag/screen/stocking back with the rest of your compost pile outside or throw it away or whatever.
Application: If you want to foliar feed this, filter it well, then 1:8 ratio of tea to water. otherwise, just add it in when watering, at a 1:5 ratio. use it every 2 weeks.
Alfalfa Tea. (can also be used during flowering)
Origin: your rabbit's food. this is ground up alfalfa, leaves, stems.
Provides: 2.5%n, 5%p, and 2%k.
Preparation: grabbing a nylon sock and filling with 1 part of the alfalfa, setting it into a bucket with 10 parts water. leave it for a week to create a strong tea.
Application: use every 2 weeks, diluted 1part tea with 10 parts water.
Manures
Origin: the business end of various animals.
Provides: This really depends on what the animal ate, and what the animal is. Rough estimates are:
Cows: .6%N-.3%P-.3%K
horse: .6%N-.6%P-.4%k
Rabbit: .5%N-1.2%P-.5%K
Sheep: .8%N-.5%P-.4%K
Pigs: .6%N-.6%P-.4%K
Preparation: 1 part crap to 10 parts water, in a bucket. 2 weeks, stirring periodically. (again, this is better for the nylon stockings, otherwise your gonna have to filter it - yuck)
Application: 1 part poop water to 1 part water. can be used every 2 weeks.
Fruit tea, with or without Molasses.
Origin: made with fermenting fruits. its recommended to add molasses for flowering.
Provides: Rich in NPK, but also contains calcium and some other trace elements. Very rich in microbial activity. Using molasses adds a large amounts of carbs and can contribute to fungus (in high heat grows)
Preparation: Cut fruits into small pieces. place in a container and cover them with molasses( OR cut up fruits, place into a ziploc bag with NO molasses or air) Let it sit for 2 weeks, opening it periodically to let out gases. filter.
Application: 1 tablespoon of fruit rot juice (ew) to 1 liter of water. use it every 10 days.
Flowering Teas:
Banana Peel Tea.
Origin: Bananas. Cheap to make. eat the banana, use the peels.
Provides: Strong Potassium Boost. ideal for flowering.
Preparation: after selecting 4 bananas, and eating the insides, place the 4 peels into a pot, with 4 cups of water (1L). You can also add in 2 tablespoons of molasses. Bring to a boil. let boil for 5 minutes. remove the peels. let cool. place in jars for storage.
Application: mix this 1 part banana goop to 2 parts water. use every 2 weeks.
Sea Weed
Origin: algae or kelp, dried, ground into a powder.
Provides: Lots of K, and trace elements, aminoacids, vitamins, hormones.
Preparation: 100grams of algae powder + 2Liters of water, let sit overnight.
Application: mix 1 part of sea weed juice to 3 parts water, and apply during waterings. can be used every watering.
Paper Ash tea.
Origin: This powder is obtained from burned paper. make sure the paper has no pigments (inks), glues, adhesives, or plastic covering. just plain paper. the cheaper the stuff, the better.
Provides: 5% P and 2% K
Preparation: Burn the paper fully. Ground up the ash. 100g of ash mixed with 2 L of water. let sit 10 days, then filter.
Application: use every 15 days, mixed 1 part ash juice to 2 parts water.
Bonemeal
Origin: Bones, crushed, ground up.
Provides: some N (3%?) and around 7% of P. high in calcium
Preparation: cook in a pot for 10 minutes, 200grams of bonemeal with 6 liters of water, and 1/2 cup of baking soda. let cool, then remove any grease that may have formed at the top. filter the rest of the mix.
Application: Use 1 part bone water to 3 parts water. use it at the start of the 12/12 cycle, or the start of flowering. will last the entire grow.
By the way, regions on the Equator will help you harvest all through the year, unlike other regions where you can harvest only once.
Nutrient Levels (approximation, will vary according to diet)
Alanine, total ..... 38 mg/day
Arginine, total ..... 32 mg/day
Ascorbic acid ..... 30 mg/day
Allantoin ..... 12 mg/day
Amino acids, total ..... 2.1 g/day
Bicarbonate ..... 140 mg/day
Biotin ..... 35 mg/day
Calcium ..... 23 mg/day
Creatinine ..... 1.4 mg/day
Cystine ..... 120 mg/day
Dopamine ..... 0.40 mg/day
Epinephrine ..... 0.01 mg/day
Folic acid ..... 4 mg/day
Glucose ..... 100 mg/day
Glutamic acid ..... 308 mg/day
Glycine ..... 455 mg/day
Inositol ..... 14 mg/day
Iodine ..... 0.25 mg/day
Iron ..... 0.5 mg/day
Lysine, total ..... 56 mg/day
Magnesium ..... 100 mg/day
Manganese ..... 0.5 mg/day
Methionine, total ..... 10 mg/day
Nitrogen, total ..... 15 g/day
Ornithine ..... 10 mg/day
Pantothenic acid ..... 3 mg/day
Phenylalanine ..... 21 mg/day
Phosphorus, organic ..... 9 mg/day
Potassium ..... 2.5 mg/day
Proteins, total ..... 5 mg/day
Riboflavin ..... 0.9 mg/day
Tryptophan, total ..... 28 mg/day
Tyrosine, total ..... 50 mg/day
Urea ..... 24.5 mg/day
Vitamin B6 ..... 100 mg/day
Vitamin B12 ..... 0.03 mg/day
Zinc ..... 1.4 mg/day
If you still need some info on making organic ferts, here you go:
I take no credit for this, it was posted on another forum I'm a member of.
**note: most of these teas/mixtures involve some mixing, but a lot of wait time. this is to fully let the properties of the substance combine with the water, and for microbial activity to start. Do not skip the waiting**
Vegetative Teas:
Worm humus:
Origin:this mix is produced from the excrement of worms. they ingest organic material and you end up with this. The best quality of worm humus is going to be from the Californian worms.
Provides: water soluble, and boosts microbes in the soil
Preparation: In 5 liters of water, add in 400gr (about 2 cups) and let it sit for 2 days. stirring every so often to keep it well mixed and the water somewhat oxygenated.
Applicationuring the watering, mixing 1 part of poo-juice with 3 parts water. you can add this in weekly.
Blood Meal:
Origin: After removing and drying blood from animals(usually in a slaughterhouse), it is ground up into a fine powder.
Provides about 12-15%N, 1.2%P, and 1%k
Preparation: in a container, add 1 part blood meal to 9 parts water. cover. over 1 week, open to burp the mix, and stir. after, filter with coffee strainer.
Application: Applying usually only when N deficiency is noted, add to water to create a 10%-25% strength solution.
Gypsum
Origin: CaSO4. Its a rock basically, you can find it naturally outdoors, or (probably easier) at a local plant shop.
Provides: Activates healthy microbial activity. Corrects salinity (toxic salt levels). Provides sulfur, calcium and potassium. Regulates pH, and most importantly, helps in the absorption of N.
Preparation: add 1 pound of gypsum powder (use a mortar and pistil if its too coarse) to the inside of a nylon stocking, or other fine screen material. place this inside a container with 5L of water. Cover. leave for 1-2 weeks, opening the container to stir briskly every few days.
Application: Add it in with the water when pH is unstable, max 10% strength (so dilute it!). dilute it to 5% if mixing it with a N tea, and can be used weekly.
Fishmeal
Origin: obtained from dried, ground fish.
Provides: 8%N, 7%P, trace elements.
Preparation: mix 10% of this powder with 90% water in a container. leave it a week covered, and opening it to burp out the gas (dont breathe it in, smells). Filter at the end of the week.
Application: Dilute the mix, 1part fishgoop with 10 parts water. add in weekly with the feedings, or when a N/P deficiency is noted.
Bat Guano
Origin: decomposed bat poo. preferably pasteurized (since bats can and do carry disease, like rabies!)
Provides: High in N, but also contains P and trace elements. Fresher guano has higher N rating
Preparation: 2 tablespoons of bat poo in 4 -5 liters of water. let sit for 1 week
Application: mix the finished poo water, 1 part to 3 parts water. use every 2 weeks.
Mixed Teas: This is ok for veg + flowering.
Compost Tea (one of my favorites, as i use ground up male plants, or the sticks/stems/fan leaves of the harvested females for this)
Origin: The easiest to come across commercially, or to make at home. this is used worldwide with a variety of ingredients.
Provides: A big boost of microorganisms, helps feed the plants, and boosts a plant's immune system. NPK ratios vary depending the type of compost made.
Preparation: Place a bunch of dead plants in a nylon stocking or screen, put that inside a bucket with about 15L of water, adding water as it evaporates (which means leave it uncovered). after 2 weeks, dump the inside of the bag/screen/stocking back with the rest of your compost pile outside or throw it away or whatever.
Application: If you want to foliar feed this, filter it well, then 1:8 ratio of tea to water. otherwise, just add it in when watering, at a 1:5 ratio. use it every 2 weeks.
Alfalfa Tea. (can also be used during flowering)
Origin: your rabbit's food. this is ground up alfalfa, leaves, stems.
Provides: 2.5%n, 5%p, and 2%k.
Preparation: grabbing a nylon sock and filling with 1 part of the alfalfa, setting it into a bucket with 10 parts water. leave it for a week to create a strong tea.
Application: use every 2 weeks, diluted 1part tea with 10 parts water.
Manures
Origin: the business end of various animals.
Provides: This really depends on what the animal ate, and what the animal is. Rough estimates are:
Cows: .6%N-.3%P-.3%K
horse: .6%N-.6%P-.4%k
Rabbit: .5%N-1.2%P-.5%K
Sheep: .8%N-.5%P-.4%K
Pigs: .6%N-.6%P-.4%K
Preparation: 1 part crap to 10 parts water, in a bucket. 2 weeks, stirring periodically. (again, this is better for the nylon stockings, otherwise your gonna have to filter it - yuck)
Application: 1 part poop water to 1 part water. can be used every 2 weeks.
Fruit tea, with or without Molasses.
Origin: made with fermenting fruits. its recommended to add molasses for flowering.
Provides: Rich in NPK, but also contains calcium and some other trace elements. Very rich in microbial activity. Using molasses adds a large amounts of carbs and can contribute to fungus (in high heat grows)
Preparation: Cut fruits into small pieces. place in a container and cover them with molasses( OR cut up fruits, place into a ziploc bag with NO molasses or air) Let it sit for 2 weeks, opening it periodically to let out gases. filter.
Application: 1 tablespoon of fruit rot juice (ew) to 1 liter of water. use it every 10 days.
Flowering Teas:
Banana Peel Tea.
Origin: Bananas. Cheap to make. eat the banana, use the peels.
Provides: Strong Potassium Boost. ideal for flowering.
Preparation: after selecting 4 bananas, and eating the insides, place the 4 peels into a pot, with 4 cups of water (1L). You can also add in 2 tablespoons of molasses. Bring to a boil. let boil for 5 minutes. remove the peels. let cool. place in jars for storage.
Application: mix this 1 part banana goop to 2 parts water. use every 2 weeks.
Sea Weed
Origin: algae or kelp, dried, ground into a powder.
Provides: Lots of K, and trace elements, aminoacids, vitamins, hormones.
Preparation: 100grams of algae powder + 2Liters of water, let sit overnight.
Application: mix 1 part of sea weed juice to 3 parts water, and apply during waterings. can be used every watering.
Paper Ash tea.
Origin: This powder is obtained from burned paper. make sure the paper has no pigments (inks), glues, adhesives, or plastic covering. just plain paper. the cheaper the stuff, the better.
Provides: 5% P and 2% K
Preparation: Burn the paper fully. Ground up the ash. 100g of ash mixed with 2 L of water. let sit 10 days, then filter.
Application: use every 15 days, mixed 1 part ash juice to 2 parts water.
Bonemeal
Origin: Bones, crushed, ground up.
Provides: some N (3%?) and around 7% of P. high in calcium
Preparation: cook in a pot for 10 minutes, 200grams of bonemeal with 6 liters of water, and 1/2 cup of baking soda. let cool, then remove any grease that may have formed at the top. filter the rest of the mix.
Application: Use 1 part bone water to 3 parts water. use it at the start of the 12/12 cycle, or the start of flowering. will last the entire grow.
By the way, regions on the Equator will help you harvest all through the year, unlike other regions where you can harvest only once.
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Holy shit dudes thanks for all that info, i definitely can get a hold of most of those..one last qustion tho, is there a specific state the pant should be in before i use them or am i good to go now? specifically the urine since its something idont have to wait to make lol
Conradino23
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Urine + wood ash. Sustainable, simple to obtain, and very effective, actually more effective than most of the chemical fertilizers as it's more balanced. Mix 1,5 L of water with around 150-200 ml of urine, add tbs of ash and you're done for the whole grow. Yse it once for 3-4 weeks.
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so basically all i would need is those 3 elements every 3-4 weeks and nothing else? ive also prepared the compost tea as Lovegreen mentioned above, will it be ok to use both or should i just stick to one of these methods?
Conradino23
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Yes, you don't anything else. I'd inoculate the seeds or the seedlings with mycorrhizae though. You just might use roots of some strong shrubs or bushes from around. Pick these growing well in hard conditions, cause these are usually naturally inoculated. You'll need spores, and they spore in nature every 3-4 years, so just hope for the best. Actually one of the best African sativas out there Malawi Gold is grown only with wood ash and it's a killer with 24-27% THC... hmm I just smoked it, it's getting much better with curing 
You could also get some shading for veg if temps are up around 38-40°C for more than two weeks. But you'll be fine, just remember about watering young seedlings if it's hot. You can easily fry one very quickly that way as I did it myself
Start collecting your kitchen scraps and compost them around the house in a sunny spot, then you have compost ready after few months. 
You could also get some shading for veg if temps are up around 38-40°C for more than two weeks. But you'll be fine, just remember about watering young seedlings if it's hot. You can easily fry one very quickly that way as I did it myself
Start collecting your kitchen scraps and compost them around the house in a sunny spot, then you have compost ready after few months.
Conradino23
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Aa few years back I grew an Afghan Kush only with urine and wood ash, and some stinging nettle tea. That's the one.
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Yes, you don't anything else. I'd inoculate the seeds or the seedlings with mycorrhizae though. You just might use roots of some strong shrubs or bushes from around. Pick these growing well in hard conditions, cause these are usually naturally inoculated. You'll need spores, and they spore in nature every 3-4 years, so just hope for the best. Actually one of the best African sativas out there Malawi Gold is grown only with wood ash and it's a killer with 24-27% THC... hmm I just smoked it, it's getting much better with curing
You could also get some shading for veg if temps are up around 38-40°C for more than two weeks. But you'll be fine, just remember about watering young seedlings if it's hot. You can easily fry one very quickly that way as I did it myself
Ok i get it now, i cant thank u enough its been a nightmare just even trying to get started but i feel alot more confident now with this new found info..thanks again and hopefully you wont mind if i drop by your message box every once in a while for aditional help since im sure il be running into more issues down the road
Conradino23
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Don't mind at all, you're welcome 
TheRoach
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Hi Recyclops! Hope everything goes well with your grow; if you want a good method forpropagating your own mycorrhiza follow the link in my signature. Best of luck!
J189RFC
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Huh, pee and wood ash... Gonna put that one into the survival handbook me thinks.
Also you may want to double check the strictness of the rules. I like the plant as much as the next person but not enough to get lashes!
Also you may want to double check the strictness of the rules. I like the plant as much as the next person but not enough to get lashes!
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lol its somlia, there arent many rules haha
