I'm currently waiting for parts and seeds to do a hydro grow, so I decided to utilize the producer's 125W fluoro to grow some bagseed. Here they are! They just popped out today. I used the paper towel method to germinate. That actually worked quite well for me. I did a big "No! No!" and used Miracle Gro soil. Shame on me, right? I figured this would be just for fun anyway, so we'll see what happens. ;-) I realize in the pics it seems like the fluoro is too far away, but it's about 8 inches away. I also realize the soil is a little dry, but 2nd watering of the day is coming very soon. ;-) The tallest one grew that much in a few hours.