Legalizing Marijuana Could Save Thousands of Lives

Jacob Bell

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A recent op-ed in the New York Times by Sylvia Longmire tries to lower expectations for what legalization of marijuana could accomplish. It's all fine and good and be realistic, but I think the author oversells her pessimism. Here is her summary of the argument she is attempting to counter:

"For a growing number of American policy makers, politicians and activists, the best answer to the spiraling violence in Mexico is to legalize the marijuana that, they argue, fuels the country's vicious cartels and smugglers. After all, according to official estimates, marijuana constitutes 60 percent of cartels' drug profits. Legalization would move that trade into the open market, driving down the price and undermining the cartels' power and influence."

There are several debatable issues here, but she is mostly disagreeing with the notion that the "power and influence" of cartels would be "undermined" by legalization of marijuana.

Her main counterpoints can be summarized as:

1) They will still have 40% of their profits from other activities.

2) They could enter the legal marijuana market.

3) A growing share of profits come from other activities.

4) Given these other activities, "it's unlikely that Mexican cartels would close up shop in the event of legalization."

The first thing to note is that all of the above can be true, and we are still very short of showing that the power and influence of drug cartels would not be weakened, and that killings would decline by a significant amount.

Longmire doesn't debate whether the cartels get 60% of their revenue from Marijuana, but there is a lot of uncertainty regarding this number. A recent Rand study highlights the difficulty here. They find estimates of U.S. annual marijuana consumption ranging from 1,000 to 5,000 metric tons (MT), with one estimate as high as 9,830 MT. Then, they put the range for the Mexican share of the U.S. market somewhere between 40% to 67%. Using these and a couple of other estimates, they peg the final Mexican exports to the U.S. as somewhere between $1.1 billion to $2 billion. The Rand report also cites a range from the NDIC of $3.9 billion to $14.3 billion, so clearly the is much uncertainty here.

In the end Rand concludes the revenues from marijuana in the U.S. are around 15% to 26% of cartel revenues. Of course one could image the U.S. legalization leading to Mexican cartels losing both their domestic market as well as the Canadian market, which would have a larger impact. The Rand report helps Longmire's case, and I don't point it out as an argument against her. But since Longmire doesn't stop to question this number, I'm sort of--but not completely--going to sidestep the issue and grant that she is correct and the revenues are 60%. In any case marijuana revenues mean a lot of money to cartels, but we don't have a very good idea how much.

Moving on to her argument, Longmire's second point strikes me as her weakest. Sure, cartels could enter the legal U.S. marijuana market, just as they could enter the U.S. market for alcoholic beverages and tobacco. Likewise they could enter the market for diapers, ballet shoes, or any product or services. Yet the major profit center for the cartels she lists are all illegal: kidnaping, oil theft, pirated goods, extortion. If cartels are capable of competing in legal markets against legitimate firms, she hasn't provided any examples. It's hard to see why this would be the case for marijuana.

So if I'm right and they won't be getting into the legal market, how would a revenue reduction of as much as 60% impact cartels operations? Longmire is skeptical it would do much, arguing:

"Cartels are economic entities, and like any legitimate company the best are able to adapt in the face of a changing market."

But it's hard to imagine being sanguine about the long-term viability of any "legitimate company" in the face of losses approaching 60% of revenues. Apple, for instance, get's around 50% of it's revenues from the iPhone. If this market were to evaporate, would it be fair to say that it would probably "hinder" their "long-term economics"?

Like cartels, it's probably true that Apple has a lot of other activities that represent profit centers, and they would be unlikely to "close up shop" in the event of losing the iPhone market. But it is a far walk from here to concluding that their "power and influence" (or whatever the comparable measures are for a legal company, maybe market cap?) would not be severely weakened. I guess my question for Longmire is this: if a 60% decline in revenues wouldn't represent a significant blow to the power and influence of cartels, what percentage would? 70%? 90%?

Another important way cartels are similar to Apple is that there likely economies of scope and scale for cartels. A decrease in marijuana revenues will take away resources they were using to build their distribution networks and buy political and legal influence, both of which probably exhibit economies of scale and are inputs for cartels in the production of their other elicit goods. This means a decrease in marijuana revenue should decrease raise costs and thus decrease profits in their other markets. This is in the same way that if the iPhone went away it would hurt Apple's sales of it's computers and software, and generally diminish it's brand.

Longmire ends her piece by listing reasons why marijuana should be legalized:

"We need to stop viewing casual users as criminals, and we need to treat addicts as people with health and emotional problems. Doing so would free up a significant amount of jail space, court time and law enforcement resources. What it won't do, though, is stop the violence in Mexico."

Say the higher end estimate of marijuana revenues from the Rand corporation is correct, and legalizing would reduce cartel revenue by 26%, or that the 60% number is correct and they will make back an implausibly high 50% of their lost revenue in other activities. This means something like a 30% decrease in lost revenues. If this leads to a proportional decrease in long-run drug related murders in Mexico, then based on the 15,273 drug related deaths in 2010, there would be 4,580 fewer deaths each year. That's a huge gain in welfare even if it falls short of the quixotic goal of "killing the cartels". The end of alcohol prohibition in the U.S. did not mean an end to the mafia, but it did lead to a significant decline in murders and in their power. Longmire has not presented a convincing case that the same would not be true in Mexico.


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Points one and two literally made me give myself a good shake... Splash myself with some water, and make sure I was awake and really reading this.

How could slashing a illegal operation by 60% not be significant? And why would a "business" based on illegal forms of the money game ever enter a legal market? They go illegal because of the big bucks to be made off of illicit commodities!

Is it bad if the first thought I had was "is she high?" (in Adam Carolla's voice of course).
 
When cannabis is a legitimate theraputic option, the pharmacutical industry can expect losses. Percentage aside, any loss to any CEO is anathema. Money is spent now, to protect that portion of their expected profits. Law inforcement industry is in the same boat. And the intoxicating beverage industry.
They don't do this openly, but through their agents: politicians, delirious writers like Sylvia Longmire, and other old-school idiots who learned what they know from "Reefer Madness" and other propaganda. Tools
 
The War against Marijuana seems to have always caused more human suffering .... I was going to say than the cannabis itself , but that point is mute at best .
It is time to stop the madness. Just decriminalize or legalise . It dose not always need to be about the money.
 
The War against Marijuana seems to have always caused more human suffering .... I was going to say than the cannabis itself , but that point is mute at best .
It is time to stop the madness. Just decriminalize or legalise . It dose not always need to be about the money.

Duh, you implied it anyway: use of cannabis causes harm. To who?
If your point is moot(sic), everyone would agree, without need to say.
You're wrong, Sir. You're wrong about the harm, and wrong about the war's cause.
It is about the money, and little else. Common cannabis use threatens corporate profits, and corporations care nothing whatsoever about pain & suffering, nor wasted resource of any others. Read their charters.
Just decriminalize or legalise
Are these you 'lesser evils' option? If so, you are infused with "the madness".

You sound like a battle-weary cop, who is willing to call a truce;
not because you realize that you've been wrong but because you can't win.
Sad Sack
 
Even tho the government is the main cause of cannabis still being illegal, many people refuse to accept the fact that many growers making a living off of selling cannabis would prefer it to remain illegal or at most decriminalized.

Sadly, many who are in the industry prefer profits over sanity.

WillyB
 
Duh, you implied it anyway: use of cannabis causes harm. To who?
If your point is moot(sic), everyone would agree, without need to say.
You're wrong, Sir. You're wrong about the harm, and wrong about the war's cause.
It is about the money, and little else. Common cannabis use threatens corporate profits, and corporations care nothing whatsoever about pain & suffering, nor wasted resource of any others. Read their charters.

+1.

And now Canada's Ministry of Health is trying to do the same thing - privatize (corporatize) distribution of marijuana and make it illegal for individuals to grow, while mandating that all patients receive it by prescription from only licensed, big-business farming concerns.

History has made it painfully evident of the success of big business over health and human concerns - from Fluoridation of the water (the phosphate, aluminum, and steel industry's quest to turn (cost of) disposal of an extremely harmful industrial waste byproduct into a windfall by allowing them to instead simply sell it to municipalities and dump all that crap in the water supply - CRIMINAL), to the approval of Aspartame/Nutrasweet (and the outlawing of generally-unpatentable natural alternatives (Stevia) - until recently, when they now allow a recently patented form of it (only) back onto the market)

...the re-labeling/'clean labeling' of MSG and all L-glutamic acid derivatives ('Autolyzed Yeast', 'Pectin', 'Citric Acid', 'NATURAL FLAVORING (Yes! NOT Natural), 'Maltodextrin', 'Hydrolyzed ANYTHING', etc.) to hide the continuing and dangerous practice of incorporating Excitotoxins into our food supplies (i.e. 'Taste' over health), which can cause a whole host of neurological and gastrointestinal disorders from Migraines to you-name-it (and for which the pharmaceutical industry has a ready and ever-perpetuating supply of new 'patients' for 'cures' to what in many cases is largely a dietary, poisoning problem) - which, incidentally, help to both feed cancerous cells as well as inducing metastasis (proliferation and spread/motility throughout the body)...

(see 'truthinlabeling.org and the writings of Dr. Russell Blaylock (board certified neurosurgeon) for more)

....and the revolving door policy at the FDA, USDA, and EPA between approval of certain (dubious and often dangerous) production methods, drugs, additives, etc. in exchange for a cushy job with industry after leaving the public sector) - etc, etc.

All countries are rife with corporate corruption of political entities in the name of corporate and personal gain, and expediency - the US, however, simply seems to have perfected that process. :(

Which is why we instead have Trickle Up Economics, no Trade Tariffs (unlike Germany and most other countries, who actually protect the workers and middle class) and the rapid destruction of the Middle Class, no effective industrial, environmental, and financial regulatory agencies (just 'lip service'), a small Oligarchy bleeding the rest of us dry for short-term gains (kind of like the production of alcohol from yeast fermentation - eventually, the poisonous byproducts kill off the producers in a self-limiting reaction), and virtually every policy or support system that should be in the hands of the government for reasons of public good is being privatized instead - corporate opportunism for the benefit of the cronies of a select few.

(Michigan's 'Emergency Managers'? Union-Stripping Bills? De-funding of Planned Parenthood, the EPA, and Republican refusal to allow the appointment of a head to our Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, our Banking Watchdog group (Elizabeth Warren) - as well as continually vetoing appointments of many other, currently open (empty), essential positions within our government?

Stripping away the rights of women (keep 'em 'barefoot and pregnant') by doing away with abortion to keep them slaves to their biology, and maintain a patriarchal status quo and inequality?

Destroying the ability of voting drives to register first-time voters (and the poor), who overwhelmingly vote Democratic?

Stripping retirement benefits and Medicare/Medicaid, giving folks a 'voucher' that won't last 'em two days of expenses in a decent hospital?

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Some (very few, very rich) folks want to Keep You Poor and KILL YOU - but not before they can bleed you for all you're worth.

And they get their base (which they both despise, and fear) to vote on emotion, using smoke and mirrors (gay rights, abortion, drug war - crap they don't really care ONE WHIT ABOUT), to hide their true agenda - without whose support they would never get elected in a popular vote.

The sad part is, the bait-and-switch WORKS - and will keep working. And the GOP is actively doing its best efforts to make sure the current administration fails (cutting all programs and spending that have a net positive effect on the economy, while redistributing everything upwards - and cutting taxes even more)

Which is too bad, because just re-implementing Clinton-era income tax rates and raising the Capital Gains tax to 17% (two measly points) would fund all our programs into the future indefinitely, and close our debt faster than you can say 'What IOU?'

And unfortunately, there's really nothing anyone can do about it - except to take care of their own (immediate family). The game is rigged, the deck is stacked - and most of us lost a long time ago.

Pretty soon, there will be NO safety net in this country - and we'll have a 'Thailand' system of retirement.

(i.e. the kids take care of the adults, many of whom have no other visible means of support)

Too bad our culture keeps devaluing the older generations year after year - as well as our sense of obligation and responsibility to them.

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Wish I could be more positive about it, but that's 'the way it is', to quote the esteemed Walter Cronkite.


...Damn, that was an exposition. I really need to smoke more. :|

-TL
 
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