Looking for best strains for pain relief!

[Sativa1970]

Since ruderails are in the genetics of autoflowers does that mean autoflowers tend to have a high CBD concentration than photoperiod plants?

Ruderal have low cannabinoid in general. THC and CBDs come from the indica/sativa side of the family. Size and auto come from the ruderal side.

I ask because it seems a lot of the time the higher the THC is in a plant the lower the CBD.

When you cross bread plants together you are tying to get certain traits in the offspring. Near impossible to get a plant that has maxed out every stat. The plant has limited energy. You focus on one or two traits and keep the rest tolerable. There are big markets for high THC/yield and another for CBD/fast finish. There are some strains that compromise yield and speed for a better THC/CBD ratio.

2:1 THC:CBD is a high CBD ratio
3:1 15%THC to 5%CBD is a "CBD balanced" ratio.
White widow 60%sativa dom, can have a 1:1 ratio 15%THC 15%CBD. There is a pure THC, pure CBD, and combinations of the values in between.

 

[Sativa1970]

Was that an extract into vegetable glycerin?

Assuming the ones from the dispensary were glycerin. My uncle also use to make it with glycerin, but is terrible at explaining details. Also made green dragon tabs. His instructions after the third time asking for more detail on how he made his tabs:

1. Put it in the tube and run pure butane.
2. Refine it down. But not too much!
3. let it dry on the paper and cut squares the right size.

I don't have the mental fortitude to get his tincture recipe.

 

[PurpleGunRack]

I highly recommend doing phenohunts and finding a couple of cuts that work well and re-run them.

Motorbreath and crosses with Motor breath would be one of many good places to hunt.

Fitting the individuals human's cannabinoid system with the perfect corresponding cannabinoid content and ratios of an individual cannabis is a galaxy sized 3D jigsaw puzzle, so one plant can do wonders and 99 other plants of the same strain, nothing.

Playing around with mixing different THC and CBD meds in different ratios can be helpful.
Finding the best strains and types and mixing them in different ways is worth trying.

 

[Azimuth]

Assuming the ones from the dispensary were glycerin. My uncle also use to make it with glycerin, but is terrible at explaining details. Also made green dragon tabs. His instructions after the third time asking for more detail on how he made his tabs:

1. Put it in the tube and run pure butane.
2. Refine it down. But not too much!
3. let it dry on the paper and cut squares the right size.

I don't have the mental fortitude to get his tincture recipe.

Lol. I totally get it.

 

[cbdhemp808]

When you cross bread plants together you are tying to get certain traits in the offspring. Near impossible to get a plant that has maxed out every stat. The plant has limited energy. You focus on one or two traits and keep the rest tolerable. There are big markets for high THC/yield and another for CBD/fast finish. There are some strains that compromise yield and speed for a better THC/CBD ratio.

I've looked into this quite a bit. THC and CBD molecules are almost identical...

A given high-cannabinoid cannabis strain will produce either a lot of THC (chemotype 1), a lot of CBD (chemotype 3), or a mix of the two (chemotype 2).

Think of it as a see-saw or a balance scale. THC can be high while CBD is low, and vice versa. THC has a max of about 30%, while CBD has a max of about 24%. But you will never find a strain that has THC very high, and CBD also very high at the same time, so for example, you won't see 18%/18%. It looks like OG Kush can come in at 10%/10%. This is all highly dependent on the pheno.

2:1 THC:CBD is a high CBD ratio
3:1 15%THC to 5%CBD is a "CBD balanced" ratio.
White widow 60% sativa dom, can have a 1:1 ratio 15%THC 15%CBD. There is a pure THC, pure CBD, and combinations of the values in between.

People often use "1:1" (one-to-one) to describe chemotype 2, even though the THC:CBD ratio isn't usually 1:1.

I look at an actual 1:1 to be balanced; e.g. 10% THC, 10% CBD.

I don't think there's a White Widow with 15%/15%. "CBD White Widow" has high CBD and lowish THC.

Stephen Hawking Kush is known as a 3:1 CBD/THC, so you might see 13-15% CBD and 4-5% THC. Some phenos may have higher THC, but it won't surpass the CBD %.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I highly recommend growing a THC plant (chemotype 1) and a CBD plant (chemotype 3), as opposed to growing one that's got a mixture of the two depending on the pheno (chemotype 2). There are some really great, affordable seeds for high-CBD strains available from GTR Seeds.

This way you'll get max THC and max CBD, and then you can mix them in the grinder, or divvy them out by weight or volume when making extracts or edibles. Dose is super important, and this method makes it easier to control dose.

If you've got a medical license, you can have your buds tested by a lab to know the actual THC and CBD content.

To make things consistent, clone your best plants so you can run them again, indefinitely.

 

[Azimuth]

I highly recommend growing a THC plant (chemotype 1) and a CBD plant (chemotype 3), as opposed to growing one that's got a mixture of the two depending on the pheno (chemotype 2). There are some really great, affordable seeds for high-CBD strains available from GTR Seeds.

This way you'll get max THC and max CBD, and then you can mix them in the grinder, or divvy them out by weight or volume when making extracts or edibles. Dose is super important, and this method makes it easier to control dose.

If you've got a medical license, you can have your buds tested by a lab to know the actual THC and CBD content.

To make things consistent, clone your best plants so you can run them again, indefinitely.

That's what I do, I run three plants (cbd, cbg, thc) all with highish levels of their dominant cannabinoid and very low in the others, and then mix them at whatever ratio I want in the oil infusion stage.

Trying to find the right ratios in one plant really limits your strain choices to start, and each pheno in the seed packets will have different ratios from each other so without testing you don't really know that the stated ratio is the one you grew.

Much cleaner to separate them and easier to get consistent results with single cannabinoid dominant plants.

 

[Sativa1970]

Think of it as a see-saw or a balance scale.

Good visual explanation. What I was trying to say, and failing, by limited energy.

There is a THC and a CBD phenome of white widow. Leafy and a few seed banks "claim" 15% : 15% THC:CBD but we all know how accurate bank claims can be. I mentioned it trying to explain the see-saw effect. Thanks again CBD.

The reason I was suggesting it, as CBD and Azimuth pointed out much more clearly, was it is a good ingredient in a recipe. If you are mixing several strains in a grinder you have more control adjusting the recipe one dose at a time. It has the sativa dom and terps that appear to help. Having those qualities in a CBD and THC version will be a good addition to the chefs spice rack, or mad scientists lab ingredients.

I rarely smoke Jack Herer strait. I blend it in with other strains for the CBD, CBG, and bronchial effects. Laughing Buddha AKA giggle weed is a Thai/Jamaican hybrid. I no longer grow buddha because mixing Thai and Jamaican have a vary similar effect. You can quickly create your own hybrid in a grinder.

 

[cbdhemp808]

One more comment on CBD... there are both sativa dominant and indica dominant CBD chemotype 3 strains. It seems like the ones with very high CBD (>15%) are usually sativa dominant, but not always.

 

[Lovie]

I ordered some Do-Si-Do autoflower seeds since I know that helps with his pain. I am reluctant to grow autoflowers because I like the control photoperiods give you in case I mess something up I can allow the plant to recover before transitioning to flower but I figured autoflowers are going to provide us with something the fastest. I have been looking for a Sativa plant that has similar terpenes to the do-si-do but haven't had much luck.

The one Sativa dominant strain I came across when searching for strains good for nerve pain is Acapulco Gold, which I believe @Sativa1970 is growing. @Sativa1970 Do you use Acapulco Gold for pain and if so, nerve pain or inflammation?

 

[cbdhemp808]

Keep in mind that the stronger the sativa dominance, generally the longer the lifecycle. Pure sativas take a long time to begin flowering, and a long time to finish. Acapulco Gold has a typical flowering time of over 2 months. There are some short flowering time sativa dominant strains out there. I recommend looking at Humbolt Seed Company's selection.

It's generally known that indica is better for all types of pain, including nerve pain. I recommend Afghan Kush for a solid indica with some phenos likely very resistant to bud rot (see "pine forest" in the description below!) Afghan Kush flowering time is 6-8 weeks, and the plant is compact (4 ft).

"One of the best indica strains for [nerve pain] is the trusted Afghan Kush. If you want to achieve an overall feeling of well-being, Afghan Kush is your best bet! This strain gives you 17% THC, 6% CBD, and mild earthy aromas that will transport you to a lively pine forest. Try it in the evening for a relaxed and pain-free night."

 

[Sativa1970]

I ordered some Do-Si-Do autoflower seeds since I know that helps with his pain. I am reluctant to grow autoflowers because I like the control photoperiods give you in case I mess something up I can allow the plant to recover before transitioning to flower but I figured autoflowers are going to provide us with something the fastest. I have been looking for a Sativa plant that has similar terpenes to the do-si-do but haven't had much luck.

The one Sativa dominant strain I came across when searching for strains good for nerve pain is Acapulco Gold, which I believe @Sativa1970 is growing. @Sativa1970 Do you use Acapulco Gold for pain and if so, nerve pain or inflammation?

I am growing Acapulco gold, but just for shits and giggles because they gave me the seeds. Not for any special medical reasons. Still in the early weeks of this grow. I have always thought of it as a meat and potatoes plant that's always just there, not anything special or medicinal. Never even considered using it medicinally.

Sativas lean towards the pine, earthy, spice terpenes. pinene is common for pain and inflammation. I mix either Afghan Kush or Thai, in with Jack Herer when my back is bothering me more than usual. When it is really bad, same mix in hash form. Afghan and Thai are a more sedative high so I try not to use it. I don't like sitting still.

 

[bluter]

Can these things be found in dispensaries? Currently, we go to pop-ups. The downfall of that is the limited availability of items.

dispensaries are not focused on med products. ours have none at all here.

I guess it is time to get a medical license so we can go to a dispensary. The closest dispensary to us is an hour away, which is probably the main reason we go to pop-ups instead.

if you are serious about medical applications then look into canna pills, both thc and cbd, topicals, and tinctures. those are the 3 main pillars.

i make most of my own stuff with an instapot. its super easy.

basic recipe for canna and thc pills -

Instant Pot Cannabis Oil: A SweetSue Picture Tutorial


here is the process for making your own topicals -

Post in thread 'Bluter's Happy Home For Hilarious Hempsters'

Mar 14, 2020

today is a canna work day ... going to stick around the spaces, get some stuff done, and hide from the pandemic pandemonium roiling away in our grocery stores and shopping malls ...

start with an episode of : What's Going On In Bluters' Kitchen ?

most of my grow is medical. easily 75% or more goes into pills, and topicals. over time i have simplified the processes to just a few infused base oils. i make the final products from those base oils. the largest breakthrough was finding the amazing @SweetSue 's instant pot cannabis oil thread.

the instant pot method...

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this is how to make a vegetable glycerin tincture -

Post in thread 'Bluter's Happy Home For Hilarious Hempsters'

Apr 10, 2020

hi 420 - finally got a moment to catch up. hope everyone is staying safe in these stupid stupid days ...

time for an easter treat edition of What's Going on in Bluter's Kitchen ? ...

this one is gonna be delicious ....

we've been chatting in the thread about vegetable glycerin for a few days.

infused vegetable glycerin is kind of popular here. vg is a clear or slightly yellowish liquid mostly made from vegetable, palm , or coconut oils. it has a slightly sweet taste to...

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that should get you well on the way. you can experiment with different strains for what works best for you and in which application.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I've been wanting to get an Instant Pot for years. The one with the temperature control.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Don't forget DMSO for absorption into the skin and body. Use pharmaceutical grade DMSO.

DMSO has been suppressed by the medical industrial complex, just like cannabis, but it's wonderful stuff.

I just realized tonight that DMSO is an excellent solvent to extract cannabinoids and terpenes. Perfect for topicals. It's a stronger solvent than ethanol, and I believe doesn't need to be heated. I'm definitely gonna try this. This is transdermal THC and CBD, into the blood stream. Could be applied to the wrists. Decarb first for THC or use raw for THCA. Ditto for CBD.