My wife and I like good coffee. That being said, I still like my 1/2&1/2 and sugar in it.I'll refine my previous statement....
I might be a huge coffee snob that would consider any introduction of any foreign substance as unwelcome.
Don't even get me started about that chicory laden crap the farm out to our local tourists.
For edibles I try to use coconut oil instead of olive. The olive is an acquired taste. Some chemovars are a much better fit. Carnival has turned out to be the best-tasting choice so far.I've not enjoyed the taste of the olive oil I made, and oil in my coffee would seem bad, but I am a touch of a coffee snob.
I've been using OJ to mask the olive oil taste.
Mmmmm.... You're gonna tempt me to swing through Starbuck's while I'm out.My wife and I like good coffee. That being said, I still like my 1/2&1/2 and sugar in it.
Hey Weasel I know I'm a year late, but I'ma state it anyway. You gotta learn to put the Indica on in the right blend. That's really what synergy is all about: if you can blend some heavy duty pain killing Indica in with other strains you like, you may find that the effects will start to show in a week or two. What I've discovered is that nothing works for me pain-wise immediately: it needs to build up in the ECS. I love my tincture blends: they're the best!!!I'm looking for people's thoughts and experiences on treating pain with cannabis. Over the last ten years, my life has been increasingly affected by crippling muscle and joint pain. It threatens to overshadow everything and shapes my perception of who I am in ways I really don't like. I have pretty good tolerance for pain and can take a lot without a whimper- but that's the sort of pain that goes away. Increasingly I'm whimpering, like a wimp. It just plain sucks being in constant pain. The problem isn't that it's at level 10, more that it's at level 5 or 6 but just won't quit. Increasingly I treat it with (natural) opiates. That's ok but once it gets to be a daily routine I feel like I'm walking a dangerous path.
I've got a high (hopefully) CBD strain close to harvest, and have my eye on a couple other likely pure indicas in the flowering room, to make oil, cream/whatever with. There's so much to read and learn about ways to ingest and ways to refine the herb into the right medicine. I'm working on that.
Info on how to make oil, CBD/THC ratios and stuff like that isn't really what I'm asking about, (though that's interesting too), as much as I'm looking for people's personal experiences with pain reduction itself. How it feels to treat pain with cannabis, and basically- how it works. Do you need to get high to reduce pain? Do you take oil capsules on a regular schedule but not get high from them? Smoke yourself into painless oblivion on the couch? Do you smoke, eat, vape the right strain/ratio- and the pain just 'melts away'? What's the experience like?
I do use cannabis- I smoke and vape to get high. But I generally stick to pure sativas only, because I don't like the indica high. The recommended strains for pain relief seem to be all indica. Maybe that's why I really don't make the connection between weed and pain relief. Yes there's a relief, maybe some pain relief- but mostly the pain still remains.
I feel like I'm really in the dark about this whole subject. Some part of me (which I really hope is wrong) isn't even convinced that pot does treat pain.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Thanks altatup and and nice to see you again mate. Do you have your recipe posted anywhere?Hey Weasel I know I'm a year late, but I'ma state it anyway. You gotta learn to put the Indica on in the right blend. That's really what synergy is all about: if you can blend some heavy duty pain killing Indica in with other strains you like, you may find that the effects will start to show in a week or two. What I've discovered is that nothing works for me pain-wise immediately: it needs to build up in the ECS. I love my tincture blends: they're the best!!!
Weasel, I decarb buds in my Ardent Lift machine; I mix what I've grown, depending on what strikes me as a good combo. I made one tincture with the sugar leaves and larfy buds of WW, C99, Chemdawg, Iced Grapfruit, Lith. OGKush, and a little Black Domina, Cannatonic and one more. I crumble the bud with my fingers; I don't grind it and I try to disturb it as little as possible. I use 190 proof Everclear, cover the bud, leave it in the freezer for 2-4 weeks, shaking it occasionally. I strain through a double almond nut milk bag, and voila tincture! that I put in 2 oz dropper bottles and store in the freezer. I called that one 8 ball: super head high and super relaxing. With a tincture, for me the high ascends for around 45 minutes, then I'm high as fk for a couple of hours, then a descent into a state of relaxed good-humor all day at work. I take it around 4:30 in the morning: I do research and I write a lot at that time; then I go to work after the high has mellowed out.Thanks altatup and and nice to see you again mate. Do you have your recipe posted anywhere?
Yes, the Lift is small. I have two of them, which definitely makes the job go much faster. I started serious investigations last Fall about how to decarb cannabis using the least amount of heat and how to make tincture. I also moved away from combustion, which is the least efficient way to medicate for me. (Tinctures work great for me the way that smoking works great for some and edibles for others; we each have to find the best method of delivery.) My principle goal was to get the most powerful synergy by preserving terpenes by using minimal heat. My sugar leaf tinctures are pretty green, but I wanted to extract more holistically from the leaves.I appreciate you expanding my horizons!
I googled the Ardent Lift machine. How could I resist, with a name like that? Looks cool but too small for my uses, and too expensive considering I just got a new in the box crockpot that looks like it holds over a gallon, for $2 at the thrift store....
I also googled 'CBD slab'.
Man.... the world of cannabis just keeps on expanding and growing out there. You sure don't see this stuff in stores around here, since we actually don't even have stores to speak of here in Antarctica.
I didn't quite gather how you rated the tincture with the CBD in it.
Does your tincture work for pain? If so - can you explain more about its effect?
It's been over thirty years since I first smoked indica. Yeah it's been a rocky relationship, but that didn't stop me from constantly trying to make it work. There are some things I like about the high. It's just that when I discovered sativas again, I realized I didn't have to put up with all the things I don't like about indica. Paranoia, red eyes, forgetfulness, confusion, munchies, hangovers, and a sense the next day of having moved 1/2 step backwards in life instead of forward.
Mainly though the paranoia/fear. It's been extreme for me with indica. I really have no time for that in my life anymore- even in low levels, when I can smoke herb that just makes me feel good.
Anyway- I've explained this all before, and quite possibly on this thread, I didn't read back to check- so I don't mean to just diss indicas. At all. Indicas and I do go way back- and I recognize that I'm one of the few that has so much trouble with that variety of our favourite magical plant.
Negative effects aside, I do like the warm physical glow, the revelations that come to me (which I almost invariably forget before the next day), and the special thrill it gives to playing and listening to music.
But - unless you're going to say that the tincture gives a totally different high, then all I'm really interested in the indicas for is pain reduction. Because indicas is all that's generally on the menu for pain relief. So it's a matter of finding that pain relief without the downside, hopefully.
I can't buy everclear here. Only if I pop over to Alaska which requires a long drive or a good boat. A still has been on my wish list for years.
With your tincture- how much alcohol are you adding to how much weed? Just enough to cover it, perhaps?
Seems odd that you let yours steep for weeks, when ISO extracts must be made in about 30 -60 seconds or the results suck. Maybe partly the fact that you're not smoking it so don't care what it tastes like? Still- that seems like a long time to soak...
You made me laugh out loud there, Weasel!!! Bandaids for your eyes!!! bwahahahahahaha!!!Wow thanks. Lots to digest and re-read after I get up and have a coffee.
Both of you guys should write those books. Maybe myself too. Down to earth and gritty life stories about this plant are what I like and the world could use. As a youngun I sure needed some actual reality based info on cannabis. I had no real clue about what I was smoking, for the first 25 years or so. Lol. Stoner friends, parents, government and society- none of them really had much useful to say.
I haven't used the opioids in several months, and barely at all in the last 8. I'd use them again, but they don't really work the way I would like. I've been keeping on top of stretching and trying to maintain my body from seizing up too much.
I stupidly failed to realize how much pain the constant opiate withdrawal was causing me. Probably everyone knows about this side effect but me. Every few days I'd be aching and crippled and could barely function. Time to take more poppies....
Altatup your experience cancelling class and driving home describes about 10,000 of my experiences when just having a puff or two of a joint, descending into a panic and fleeing into a sort of adrenaline filled nightmare. Been there and done that way too many times.
Sativas don't give me any of that fear. The sativa equivalent of that indica fear and that doubt that keeps creeping in whether I like it or not... with a good sativa it's almost the opposite. It's a pervading sense of happiness and humour that keeps creeping up on me in spite of myself.
I do still sometimes smoke a little indica. I enjoy Peyote Purple- it's a type of Bubba Kush. Pretty low THC. It's ok if I'm home at night and don't have to face anything too confusing. I like it for jamming and recording music. I still really don't lke the red eyes thing, and munchies, and foggy revelations of self doubt, and hangover.
Even just the fact that it turns my eyes bright red is enough to really ramp up the paranoia and wreck any desire to smoke it in public. Sativas do not have these effects on me.
I remember going to a corner store once in the grip of extreme munchies and the snot nosed kid at the counter asked in a sneering tone 'And would you like some bandaids for your eyes as well, sir??' I have to admit that's pretty funny shit, but at the time I was way too paranoid to enjoy the humour!
Just give me the food, and my change, ya little shithead....
Sue, I've been looking and looking for information about CBD:THC ratios in landraces or cannabis that hasn't had the CBD bred out of it. Do you have any sources for this information? I'd love to learn more.Wow! Thank you for this discussion. Whoa! I learned a ton just reading the first time.
I’ve decided the plant was made to be ingested. I’ll be starting my daughter on a juicing regimen soon. Very soon. For now her Indicas and vaporizer are keeping her breakthrough pain at bay.
@Weaselcracker, the indica terpenes for pain when ingesting or combusting is myrcene and B-caryophyllene. The linollol and B-caryophyllene is a sativa mix. I thought you were asking for yourself.
In the wild cannabis expresses at an even ratio or slightly higher in CBD. We’d do well to style our medicines thusly. Most disease states, chronic pain included, respond best to a 1:1 ratio.
Weaselcracker, your friend’s doctor is doing him a favor. You got this.
Neiko and I grew the same chemovar from seeds we brought back from Jamaica. We’re pretty sure it was close to wild as we’ve come across. It tested out as a 2:1 CBD:THC ratio and very high in b-caryophyllene. We have test results posted on the Jamaican Dreams thread. Purple JamaicanSue, I've been looking and looking for information about CBD:THC ratios in landraces or cannabis that hasn't had the CBD bred out of it. Do you have any sources for this information? I'd love to learn more.
Not exactly. I'd like to know what the ratios were in various landrace strains before breeders started breeding out the CBD. My Afghan Kush (World of Seeds) is a landrace strain with 20% THC and high CBD (they say 5-10%); that's what I'd like to know about other landrace strains. I'm willing to bet that CBD info isn't up for a lot of landrace strains on the breeders' websites; I'll have to check.Neiko and I grew the same chemovar from seeds we brought back from Jamaica. We’re pretty sure it was close to wild as we’ve come across. It tested out as a 2:1 CBD:THC ratio and very high in b-caryophyllene. We have test results posted on the Jamaican Dreams thread. Purple Jamaican
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