Robodolemike
New Member
Hello everybody!
As you can see, I'm a new member here. I've already posted in the Introduce Yourself section( Hello! ). I've lurked and learned a lot here over the last couple of years. I've never had a chance to grow until recently. Now having problems, I'm freaking out and seeking out help from someone with major knowledge/skills, lol! Even though I just typed "lol", this is no laughing matter. Please bear with me in this. I will try to be as thorough as possible with my explaination as to how this grow has ended up where it is now, because I only have crappy cellphone pics, sorry.. Detailed explaination to follow, here are the vitals-
SOIL/SOILLESS MIX GROW
Strain - Indica - The Dope (Endless Sky x Chumaluma)
# of Plants - 1
Grow Type - Soil/Soilless mix
Grow Stage - Vegetative
Bucket Size - 7 Gallon fabric pot
Lights - (1) 26W spiral cfl 6500k in 10"-round "worklight" housing- on 24/0 schedule(so far), kept approx 3" away from top
Nutrients - Blue Mountain Organics (specifics for different formulas below)
Medium - Equal parts- FoxFarms Happy Frog Soil/Canna Coco, 15%-20% perlite, 1 cup dolomite lime per 1cu ft of soil mix
PPM - 180ish*.........*This per nute manufacturer, any higher will cause nutes to drop out of solution; it's organic
PH - 6.5-6.8*.........*Is what I'm shooting for, but as you'll see, I have a hunch that my problems lie here
RH - 50% to 70%
Room Temperature -70 to 80
Solution Temperature -70 to 77
Room Square Footage - 3'x3'
Pests - None Known
Ok, for anyone thats here, thank you.... I started this plant from seed. The seed was germed via the paper towel method on 8/22. The seed/taproot sprout was planted in the soil(less)mix on 8/24 within a 1.5"x1.5" seedling cell, placed on a heating mat and covered with a humidity dome, like this...
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The soil(less)mix in the seedling cell was moistened with RO H2O* with General Organics CaMg+ mixed in @115ppm and pH'd to 6.4.
*My RO filter is a 5 stage unit, with a 6th stage being a remineralization "filter" to add trace minerals back into the H2O for drinking. Without the 6th stage the H2O measures 000ppm. With the 6th stage in place the H2O measures around 033ppm. I don't know if that makes a difference or not, but I wanted to let it be known, as the 6th stage is always engaged, ya feel me??...
The seedling sprout broke ground the next day 8/25. I kept it moist by hitting it with 2-3 squirts from a squirt bottle of the CaMg+ H2O @115ppm twice a day, kept on a 24/0 light schedule. 7 days later on 9/1, I moved it into a 4.5" pot, like this...
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The soil in the 4.5" pot was moistened with BMO Super Plant Tonic(pH'd to 6.6) in the hopes that after a few days, the microorganisms would start colonizing the soil(less)mix and be ready for the first round of nutes. I've since read that this BMO Super Plant Tonic is safe to use from seed. Here it is...
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Here she is...
4 days later on 9/5, I gave her, her first feeding with 1/2 strength veg nutes, BMO* Grow It Green(pH'd to 6.5).
*FYI, the nute manufacturer BMO recommends mixing their products with H2O with a reading of NO MORE than 180ppm. I'll post the BMO "FAQ" lower down for anyone interested.
Anyways, it's this stuff...
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Then 3 days later on 9/8, I watered again with the Super Plant Tonic. The plant is looking great at this point with 4 or 5 nodes, but I think this is where I messed up and my troubles began. I think I should've just gave plain water(CaMg+ @180-200ppm), perhaps(?), instead of more Super Plant Tonic. The plant was looking so beautiful, though. I thought it'd be ok.
3 days later on 9/11 I determined that the plant needed to be watered again. Now I know, I probably should've just given her the lite CaMg+ H2O, but what did I do? Well decided that she was ready for FULL strength nutes! I gave her the Grow It Green mixed at full strength pH'd to 6.8
The very next day on 9/12, I noticed that the bottom-most leaves were starting to yellow a bit. While inspecting those leaves up close, I noticed the roots were growing out of the bottom of the pot. Since I didn't want her to become root bound, I decided to transplant her into her finishing 7gal fabric pot.
On 9/13, I repotted her. I put about a 1"-1.5" layer of hydroton clay balls in the bottom of the 7gal pot. Then I added my soil(less)mix on top. This time the mix was wet with full strength Super Plant Tonic and Grow It Green.
Here it is after the transplant. It might be hard to see with this pic, but if you notice on the backside bottom of the plant you can see the yellow peeking through. You can also see it on the bottom leaf in front, but the backside was much worse
The top portion wasn't as yellow as it appears in this pic(must be lighting).
Well, the yellowing has since spread up the plant, with the first leaves affected now being crispy, curled and brown. In this next series of pics, I'll show how it's progressed up the plant. Some of these pics may be the same with the only difference being with and without the flash on. I didn't know if someone may be able to see certain details in one pic(flash) vs the other(non-flash)..
Full Plant View with Flash
Without Flash
Now, I will start to work my way up the plant, starting from the bottom. This was the first leaf affected and is currently in the worst shape.
This leaf is directly opposite the worst leaf.
Next node up with Flash
Without Flash
Opposite side
Next node up
Opposite side
Next node up
In this next series, I'm trying to show the tops of the new growth. The tips of the leaves are turning brownish-purple-ish. Following is various pics with and without flash.
Whole Plant View
Side View
FYI, here is how I keep the light
Conditions
At this point, the plant had stopped growing. Worried about nute burn on 9/16 I flushed with a gallon of H2O mixed with CaMg+ @160ppm pH'd to 6.7. I then tested the pH of the runoff water and to my surprise it measured 7.8! Using a formula I found somewhere else, I determined that the pH of the soil(less)mix is around 8.25. Then I did something and figured that if I flushed with some H2O(w/CaMg+) pH'd to 5.4 that the runoff should be in the 6.5 range. I mixed up another gallon, this time pH'd to 5.4 and flushed it through. The runoff pH now measured 7.7. I did not want to overwater, so I decided to leave it be and see what happens. I'm just very confused, because it's showing multiple symptoms of nute burn and several deficiencies. At first, I thought it was for sure nute burn, since I'd never done a water flush up until 9/16. Now, after testing the runoff, I think it may be nute lockout due to my wonky pH levels. If anyone has any clues/advice, I'd sure appreciate it.... I planned on topping it, then FIMing the tops, waiting a couple of days, then switching to 18/6 light cycle for a couple more days, then put her into the big tent and under a 600W MH to start the scrog. I planned on cloning the cut off top portion of the plant to keep as a mother plant. I also planned on cloning other cuttings off of this plant, as she needs to be cleaned up. Now this happened... It seems like I had a couple of more questions, but I'm drawing a blank now.. Should I start to cut off the dead crispy leaves? On the leaves that just have crispy edges, should I cut off just the crispy bits? How?
If anyone is using 7gal FABRIC pots, how often do you find your self watering/feeding? I know that depends on many factors like the soil, temps, light, the strain, the size of the plant etc., but if anyone that reads this thinks that their situation is similar or can pertain to me; I'd love to hear it. Thank you.
Here are the latest pics as of 9/19 night time.. Nothing has been done to her since the flush on 9/16... She has also started growing(vertically) again.... All these pics are CLICKABLE to enlarge...
Sorry for making such a monster post, but I really need this plant to pull through. Any and all help/advice would be greatly appreciated. If anyone has any topping, FIM or scrog tips, I'd love to hear them too. I will leave you with pics/info on the other 2 parts to this organic nutrient system that I'm using and an email "FAQ". I am very much looking forward to getting some advice and suggestions! Thank you in advance to anyone that can or tries to help out!!! I really appreciate it! Have a great, safe weekend!!!
This is the Flower Power used for budding....
This is the Foliar Harmony for foliar feeding...
Here is the email "FAQ", don't quite remember where I saved this from...
Thanks again!!!
As you can see, I'm a new member here. I've already posted in the Introduce Yourself section( Hello! ). I've lurked and learned a lot here over the last couple of years. I've never had a chance to grow until recently. Now having problems, I'm freaking out and seeking out help from someone with major knowledge/skills, lol! Even though I just typed "lol", this is no laughing matter. Please bear with me in this. I will try to be as thorough as possible with my explaination as to how this grow has ended up where it is now, because I only have crappy cellphone pics, sorry.. Detailed explaination to follow, here are the vitals-
SOIL/SOILLESS MIX GROW
Strain - Indica - The Dope (Endless Sky x Chumaluma)
# of Plants - 1
Grow Type - Soil/Soilless mix
Grow Stage - Vegetative
Bucket Size - 7 Gallon fabric pot
Lights - (1) 26W spiral cfl 6500k in 10"-round "worklight" housing- on 24/0 schedule(so far), kept approx 3" away from top
Nutrients - Blue Mountain Organics (specifics for different formulas below)
Medium - Equal parts- FoxFarms Happy Frog Soil/Canna Coco, 15%-20% perlite, 1 cup dolomite lime per 1cu ft of soil mix
PPM - 180ish*.........*This per nute manufacturer, any higher will cause nutes to drop out of solution; it's organic
PH - 6.5-6.8*.........*Is what I'm shooting for, but as you'll see, I have a hunch that my problems lie here
RH - 50% to 70%
Room Temperature -70 to 80
Solution Temperature -70 to 77
Room Square Footage - 3'x3'
Pests - None Known
Ok, for anyone thats here, thank you.... I started this plant from seed. The seed was germed via the paper towel method on 8/22. The seed/taproot sprout was planted in the soil(less)mix on 8/24 within a 1.5"x1.5" seedling cell, placed on a heating mat and covered with a humidity dome, like this...
CLICK
The soil(less)mix in the seedling cell was moistened with RO H2O* with General Organics CaMg+ mixed in @115ppm and pH'd to 6.4.
*My RO filter is a 5 stage unit, with a 6th stage being a remineralization "filter" to add trace minerals back into the H2O for drinking. Without the 6th stage the H2O measures 000ppm. With the 6th stage in place the H2O measures around 033ppm. I don't know if that makes a difference or not, but I wanted to let it be known, as the 6th stage is always engaged, ya feel me??...
The seedling sprout broke ground the next day 8/25. I kept it moist by hitting it with 2-3 squirts from a squirt bottle of the CaMg+ H2O @115ppm twice a day, kept on a 24/0 light schedule. 7 days later on 9/1, I moved it into a 4.5" pot, like this...
CLICK
The soil in the 4.5" pot was moistened with BMO Super Plant Tonic(pH'd to 6.6) in the hopes that after a few days, the microorganisms would start colonizing the soil(less)mix and be ready for the first round of nutes. I've since read that this BMO Super Plant Tonic is safe to use from seed. Here it is...
CLICK
CLICK
Here she is...
4 days later on 9/5, I gave her, her first feeding with 1/2 strength veg nutes, BMO* Grow It Green(pH'd to 6.5).
*FYI, the nute manufacturer BMO recommends mixing their products with H2O with a reading of NO MORE than 180ppm. I'll post the BMO "FAQ" lower down for anyone interested.
Anyways, it's this stuff...
CLICK
CLICK
Then 3 days later on 9/8, I watered again with the Super Plant Tonic. The plant is looking great at this point with 4 or 5 nodes, but I think this is where I messed up and my troubles began. I think I should've just gave plain water(CaMg+ @180-200ppm), perhaps(?), instead of more Super Plant Tonic. The plant was looking so beautiful, though. I thought it'd be ok.
3 days later on 9/11 I determined that the plant needed to be watered again. Now I know, I probably should've just given her the lite CaMg+ H2O, but what did I do? Well decided that she was ready for FULL strength nutes! I gave her the Grow It Green mixed at full strength pH'd to 6.8
The very next day on 9/12, I noticed that the bottom-most leaves were starting to yellow a bit. While inspecting those leaves up close, I noticed the roots were growing out of the bottom of the pot. Since I didn't want her to become root bound, I decided to transplant her into her finishing 7gal fabric pot.
On 9/13, I repotted her. I put about a 1"-1.5" layer of hydroton clay balls in the bottom of the 7gal pot. Then I added my soil(less)mix on top. This time the mix was wet with full strength Super Plant Tonic and Grow It Green.
Here it is after the transplant. It might be hard to see with this pic, but if you notice on the backside bottom of the plant you can see the yellow peeking through. You can also see it on the bottom leaf in front, but the backside was much worse
The top portion wasn't as yellow as it appears in this pic(must be lighting).
Well, the yellowing has since spread up the plant, with the first leaves affected now being crispy, curled and brown. In this next series of pics, I'll show how it's progressed up the plant. Some of these pics may be the same with the only difference being with and without the flash on. I didn't know if someone may be able to see certain details in one pic(flash) vs the other(non-flash)..
Full Plant View with Flash
Without Flash
Now, I will start to work my way up the plant, starting from the bottom. This was the first leaf affected and is currently in the worst shape.
This leaf is directly opposite the worst leaf.
Next node up with Flash
Without Flash
Opposite side
Next node up
Opposite side
Next node up
In this next series, I'm trying to show the tops of the new growth. The tips of the leaves are turning brownish-purple-ish. Following is various pics with and without flash.
Whole Plant View
Side View
FYI, here is how I keep the light
Conditions
At this point, the plant had stopped growing. Worried about nute burn on 9/16 I flushed with a gallon of H2O mixed with CaMg+ @160ppm pH'd to 6.7. I then tested the pH of the runoff water and to my surprise it measured 7.8! Using a formula I found somewhere else, I determined that the pH of the soil(less)mix is around 8.25. Then I did something and figured that if I flushed with some H2O(w/CaMg+) pH'd to 5.4 that the runoff should be in the 6.5 range. I mixed up another gallon, this time pH'd to 5.4 and flushed it through. The runoff pH now measured 7.7. I did not want to overwater, so I decided to leave it be and see what happens. I'm just very confused, because it's showing multiple symptoms of nute burn and several deficiencies. At first, I thought it was for sure nute burn, since I'd never done a water flush up until 9/16. Now, after testing the runoff, I think it may be nute lockout due to my wonky pH levels. If anyone has any clues/advice, I'd sure appreciate it.... I planned on topping it, then FIMing the tops, waiting a couple of days, then switching to 18/6 light cycle for a couple more days, then put her into the big tent and under a 600W MH to start the scrog. I planned on cloning the cut off top portion of the plant to keep as a mother plant. I also planned on cloning other cuttings off of this plant, as she needs to be cleaned up. Now this happened... It seems like I had a couple of more questions, but I'm drawing a blank now.. Should I start to cut off the dead crispy leaves? On the leaves that just have crispy edges, should I cut off just the crispy bits? How?
If anyone is using 7gal FABRIC pots, how often do you find your self watering/feeding? I know that depends on many factors like the soil, temps, light, the strain, the size of the plant etc., but if anyone that reads this thinks that their situation is similar or can pertain to me; I'd love to hear it. Thank you.
Here are the latest pics as of 9/19 night time.. Nothing has been done to her since the flush on 9/16... She has also started growing(vertically) again.... All these pics are CLICKABLE to enlarge...
Sorry for making such a monster post, but I really need this plant to pull through. Any and all help/advice would be greatly appreciated. If anyone has any topping, FIM or scrog tips, I'd love to hear them too. I will leave you with pics/info on the other 2 parts to this organic nutrient system that I'm using and an email "FAQ". I am very much looking forward to getting some advice and suggestions! Thank you in advance to anyone that can or tries to help out!!! I really appreciate it! Have a great, safe weekend!!!
This is the Flower Power used for budding....
This is the Foliar Harmony for foliar feeding...
Here is the email "FAQ", don't quite remember where I saved this from...
Thanks again!!!
