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Question about making seeds

zzoomm100

New Member
So my project this grow season is to learn how to make seeds. These seeds would be strictly for personal consumption since I only grow for myself. I just want to make seeds for future grows.

I just bought 11 seeds of Serious Seeds Kali Mist and grew 3 of them out. Two turned out to be female and one turned out to be male.

My question is this:

If I pollenate one of the Kali Mist females with the Kali Mist male would the resulting seeds be considered an F2? Or would they be considered an Interbred line?

I did a lot of reading but I'm confused as to what these seeds that I purchased are considered since Kali Mist is a hybrid of other strains. I'm guessing that the resulting seeds will be F2's and will show a lot of variation.

If anybody can enlighten me I would be greatly appreciative.

Thanks.
 

Captain Kronic

Member of the Month: July 2011
For the purpose of seed banks, a hybrid is in general, a cross between any two unrelated seed lines.
ANY HYBRID IS heterozygous and NOT TRUE BREEDING.

F1 hybrid - is the first generation of a cross between any two unrelated seed lines in the creation of a
hybrid. F1 hybrids can be uniform or variable depending on the P1 parent stock used.

F2 hybrid - is the offspring of a cross between two F1 plants (Clarke). What Clarke and other sources
don't make clear is do the two F1's need to be from the same parents? By convention they don't. As
well, German geneticists often describe a back cross of an F1 back to a P1 parent as a F2 cross.

- OK lets say we take blueberry and cross it with romulan (both relatively true breeding of their unique
traits) to create the F1 hybrid romberry. Now lets cross the F1 romberry with a NL/Haze F1 hybrid.
Some could say this is a F1 cross of romberry and NL/Haze. Others could argue that it is a F2 cross
of two F1 hybrids. Gets confusing doesn't it? Now lets cross this Romberry/NL/Haze(RNH) with a
Skunk#1/NL#5 F1 hybrid to create RNHSN. Now some would argue that RNHSN is an F1 hybrid
between RNH and SK/NL seed lines. Others would call it an F2.

- So what does this mean to the consumer? It means that a seed bank can call a cross whatever it wants
until the industry adopts some standards. This is what this article will attempt to initiate. Clarke eludes to
standardizing these definitions but never really gets around to it. Fortunately other plant breeding
communities have (Colangelli, Grossnickle&Russell, Watts, &Wright) and adopting their standards
makes the most sense and offers the best protection to the seed bank consumer.

Watts defines an F1 as the heterozygous offspring between two homozygous but unrelated seed lines.
This makes sense and gives the F1 generation a unique combination of traits; uniform phenotype but not
true breeding. This is important in the plant breeding world. This means that when a customer buys F1
seeds that they should expect uniform results. It also means that the breeder's work is protected from
being duplicated by any other means than using the original P1 (true breeding parents). [There are
exceptions to this by using techniques such as repeated back crosses (cubing the clone)]

F2 crosses are the offspring of crossing two F1 hybrids. This means that they will not be uniform nor
will they breed true. However, F3, F4, F5, etc will also share these characteristics, so to simplify
terminology for the seed banks and seed bank merchants, they can all be classified as F2 seeds in general.
 

zzoomm100

New Member
Thank you for that Captain Kronic. Very lucid explanation. I have a solid understanding of it now.

So from what I've read, Kali Mist has been crossed a few times, originally with two Sativas, then an Indica and a Sativa and most recently with two Sativas again. The resulting seeds that I'm talking about will probably be F3s or F4s. But from your explanation, probably not much different from F2s although all with a lot of variation.

I don't care. If I'm successful in making these seeds, I'll grow them out and see how they turn out. That'll be fun too. I could probably find a good plant especially if I make a lot of seeds.
 
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