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Jackalope

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"As the world turns" Thought that shit was just a soap opera. I guess not lol. All my plans have now changed. Mostly because the great Flo F-5 I thought was going to be a male is a female. Weird how when I first saw this I was disappointed. So no Cinderella x Flo F-5 in my future. At least for now.

I was going to move the plant back into the veg tent with the other females. Then I decided against it. No use causing undo stress to the plant if I don't have too. I am just going to give it a head start on flowering for another few days till everything has show sex. A couple of the males have showed their true colors already. I went ahead and chopped them to make room for the last of the Flo starts that have not shown sex yet. Once everything is sexed I can move everything back to the big tent. I may still get a regular Flo male to cross with the C-99 if I so choose. It would give me my mostly sativa hybrid I was looking for.

Which brings me back to my hybrid conversation. With only 1 of the Lemon Chiesel being female I don't have much in the lines of hybrids. Flo F-5 should be a hybrid. It was made with a Flo F-4 female and a Blueberry F-5 male. The write up reads almost exactly how the Flo regular does. They make it sound more like just a sativa then a hybrid. My hopes are they are wrong LOL. With the Flo F-5 that would make 3 hybrids. That would work. With the Flo and C-99 for day time and the Purple Afghani for night time I will be set. The PA is going to have phenotypes that could very well make it seem like 2 different strains. At least that is my hope. From the looks I am going to get some Purple Kush pheno's. The highs from it should to be vastly different then a Afghani. Even with them both being indica.
 

Jackalope

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Not much to say today so lets do a "Comment section" on Flo F-5. When I bought it I thought it was Flo grown out to F-5 an those are the seeds. When I received them I found out about the Blueberry is in it.

If you bought a strain that was Flo F-4 x Blueberry F-5 What would you expect the outcome to be like?
 

CannaFish

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I’ve tried to follow dj shorts lineages with Flo and Blueberry but I’m not totally sure. After listening to a potcast from DJ it sounds like his FLO keeper had the high he wanted but in a short flowering pheno. I’ve always wanted to grow FLo. If it’s such a nice high and short flowering it sounds like a great parent stock to breed to the long flowering pure sativas.
 

Jackalope

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I am real interested in seeing what Flo looks like in person. I really liked the Flo I got in Colorado last year. There is a Colorado cut of Flo that is supposed to be really good. It may have been some of it I got. How long did it take to find that pheno is the question.

They have crossed C-99 with lots of the longer flowering sativa's. I don't know of anyone doing it with Flo though. I still hope to cross Flo and Cinderella if I like what I find in Flo.

Pretty sure I will dropping the lights back next week. I don't see a Flo male being done in time to use pollen. No big deal I wanted to use the Flo F-5 for it anyway. The Lemon Cheisel males would be done in plenty of time but I have no idea what it is even going to be like. I want something with a lot of Cheese characteristics. The chances of that improved yesterday. One of the supposed males is female. I am back to 2 female Lemon Cheisel again.
 

Jackalope

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F**KING mites! pretty sure I have a mite problem. Nothing bad yet and I hope I can get a handle on it quick. Well quick I can't do but I have the solution on the way. I have not seen a mite yet but I do have a couple small holes in some leaves. Of course it is the Flo F-5 that is hit the hardest LOL. I guess I shouldn't have run my mouth about Second gen and D.J. LMAO.

The one thing I think I am finding is bug shit! I have a few black spots on the back side of the leaves. Flowering will be put off till I can get the bugs under control. Which I hope I can.

Now for the Cure. Some people may not like my choice of ways to kill them. I am going with a product called "Forbid". I have no idea of what is actually in it. I know it works and works well. It should at the purchase price, A whopping $278.00 for 8 oz bottle. On the bright side. I will now have enough to kill bugs the rest of my life. The place I get all my important grow help is my mentor. No use going to anyone else as he has had to solve tons of shit before. He has used Forbid with great success.

What makes it work is it kills the babies and the eggs, then sterilizes the adults. Sounds like a cruel way to rid yourself of a unwanted population LOL.
 

Jackalope

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I forgot to mention. Things like this is why I built things the way I did. Tarps cover all carpet and rubber mats cover the rest. Clean up and treatments will be a lot easier this way. Once I treat all the plants I will clean everything with bleach before i put anything back in.

I just got done checking the plants more. Still no positive identification. I have also been looking at photos of mite problems. If I have them it is way earlier. I don't see any eggs at all and there is only a few spots on the leaves in all the plants in the tent. A lot can change in the week it is going to take for the Forbid to get here. I will be looking at local options just in case. As long as I don't have a major outbreak I hope to get this under control fast.

Here are a couple of pictures of what I am seeing. First is the whole Flo F-5 plant. You can see a bit of leaf damage at the lower left side.
Next is a close look at the same leaf.
Like I mentioned some of the other plants have very little damage. Here is a spot on one of the Cinderella 99
 

Dankman_420

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I highly recommend a USB microscope. Cheap too. Mine was less than 30$ on the Zon. Here's one from my spider mites. Weren't too bad to get rid of. But still no fun. With the USB plugged into my phone I could easily see them. Without it I would have never found my hemp mites


Sneaky buggers :D I used green cleaner and safers soap for a few weeks. Broke the cycle then they were gone
 

Jackalope

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I have a USB microscope that I have thought about using. Even without it I am pretty sure I am right. Blown up what I am seeing is just like Dankmans first picture. Lots of little black specs and a few bigger ones that are not as dark.

Everything looks the same today as it did yesterday. They are not eating much as of yet. I found a soap type spray for mites that I may use. I want to watch treating plants with stuff I am unsure will work. I what I have coming will work. Because of this I want to be able to use it right away when it gets here. I don't want them covered with a layer of soap spray when I spray the forbid.

I better break out the mirco scope tonight and check them. If they are there for sure like I believe they are. I might better treat them just in case. Even if I just throw a wrench in their plans for a few days that will slow them down till the big guns get here.

Dankman mentioned what he has is Hemp/Russet mites. They look real similar to what I have. If what I am seeing are mites. The fact that I have no webbing or strands of web on the underside of the leaves. Might mean that is what I have. On the bright side forbid kills them all. No need to identify what kind of mite.
 

Jackalope

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Looks like I may have been mistaken. I was wondering if the black specks were bug shit or just dirt. I only got to look at a couple of them on one leaf I removed for better inspection. They ended up being dirt. The USP microscope came in real handy. I didn't find any bugs at all. I can take a picture with the microscope. What I don't know is how to make that picture usable lol. I did get a picture of a picture to show what I thought were mites.
I thought these were rows of bugs under the hairs. They ended up something else. What ever it is it surrounds where the hair comes out of the leaf. None of what little leaf damage I could find has changed. If they were bugs I would be finding more leaf spots which I am not.

The plan now is just to keep watching them closely for a few days. Always knew I wanted to order some Forbid to have on hand in case mites show up. Like I mentioned it is quite spendy. Now I will have some as back up. I plan to wait a couple more days before dropping lights back. I still want to be sure that there are no mites. If I am confused about it at all I will spray just in case. This product does not hurt the plants, just bugs.
 

Jackalope

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What the hell is a ratio anyway? I have been bitching about regular seeds this year why not keep it going LOL. I was hoping for one male Flo F-5 male. Both plants were female. I was hoping for a female Flo out of the 3 I have. All look to be male LMAO. This would be great if I wanted to wait another 2 weeks for it to produce pollen to use. Which I don't think is going to happen. It doesn't give me any Flo weed to try. I really wanted to compare Flo and Cinderella 99 head to head.
 

Jackalope

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Yeah it is a lot better to think. You do and not ,then not and then end up having them.

You mentioning the Tangieland males. I have been wondering about similar regular strains. I have a few regular strains that I plan to use regular pollen. Tangie is one of them. I am not so sure about using male pollen from Tangie hybrids. If I am working with a polyhybrid like so many are today. I prefer to use females in breeding. I don't know that it matters that much. The plan was to save the male pollen for stabilizing something else.

I don't know of many new strains that are anything but F-1 hybrids of F-1 hybrids. Is stable even a thing anymore?

My latest regular strain is one of Katsu's Burnt Toast F-1's. While I really want to see what females come from this hybrid. I don't think I would even consider using a male.
 

Dankman_420

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I'm not sure if stable is a thing anymore either. I know I personally have better luck with certain breeders. I think some at least go through proper testing. I also think some do not. For example I was really excited about 818 headband from Cali connection. It was good smoke but at week 6 it was throwing nanners like crazy. I had to finish it in my spare bathroom. I had 5 other strains going in the same environment with no issues, so I think it's just not stable.

Have you done a large pheno hunt of your crosses? I'm starting one atm. 21 sprouts are up so far. I grew few of these as testers awhile ago that were stable. So hopefully I'll get a stable keeper or two.

It's a fun project so far :D hopefully the mites don't return. LMAO
 
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