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RetiredRN

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My Dad was like that... couldn't sleep more than a few hours at a time before his chronic pain would wake him up, and then he would stay up for several hours until he got sleepy again. He used to take a lot of naps during the day and never wanted to participate in things, especially in the evenings. We now supply him with Nighty Night Gummies (he prefers the blue ones, lol) and I don't think I have ever seen him as happy and active as he is these days. These meds have clearly made a huge difference in our favorite senior's life!
Its been a miracle medicine for me. My PTSD, depression and insomnia has taken over my life until I was able to some weed again (just since retiring). I’m slowly taking my life back.
 

Amy Gardner

Member of the Month: Mar 2018 - Photo of the Month: Apr, Dec 2018, Apr, Sept 2019, Feb 2020 - Grow Journal of the Month: Nov 2020 - Nug of the Month: Feb 2021
High RetiredRN :ciao: dropping in for the journey. Welcome to the 420 growers community
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you’d be surprised, lots of females around here :)
:ciao:
really could use a majic butter machine because my lungs aren’t holding
Sending you PM
more than a few hours at a time before his chronic pain would wake him up
I fully understand his plight! That was my life for many years before I found here and oil making and edibles :love: Still an issue, but I sleep now :)
 

RetiredRN

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High RegisteredRN :ciao: droppung in for the journey. Welcome to the 420 growers community
:green_heart:

:ciao:

Sending you PM

I fully understand his plight! That was my life for many years before I found here and oil making and edibles :love: Still an issue, but I sleep now :)
Hey Amy! I’m glad for you to come to my journal. I’m just new to growing. If it wasn’t for the support of everyone I would’ve killed my plants by accident over a month ago.
 

RetiredRN

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Hey @Emilya @StoneOtter @Virgin Ground @InTheShed . Well, my gorilla glue auto is the right back plant and its 65 days old and the rest are northern lights autos all 56 days old today. All the plants are fed the same stuff and the gorilla glue auto continues to have rust spots all over it but the other plants don’t, I can’t figure it out. I’m not planting anymore of those gorilla glue plants. The others have been fairly easy to care for but not that gorilla glue. Everyone got fed big bloom, bud bloom and beastie blooms today from the fox farm nutrients line. Two out of the three northern lights plants are requiring watering every day and they wilt if they don’t get it , like that right front plant and they just drink and drink and drink they are so thirsty. They as a whole drank 1.5 gallons of water, ph to 6.5, before I got any run off. I’m considering maybe 4 gallon pots for my next grow. I’m thinking I still have 2 or 3 more weeks to go yet till harvest.

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Emilya

Member of the Month: Mar 2019 - Grow Journal of the Month: Jan 2020
Hey @Emilya @StoneOtter @Virgin Ground @InTheShed . Well, my gorilla glue auto is the right back plant and its 65 days old and the rest are northern lights autos all 56 days old today. All the plants are fed the same stuff and the gorilla glue auto continues to have rust spots all over it but the other plants don’t, I can’t figure it out. I’m not planting anymore of those gorilla glue plants. The others have been fairly easy to care for but not that gorilla glue. Everyone got fed big bloom, bud bloom and beastie blooms today from the fox farm nutrients line. Two out of the three northern lights plants are requiring watering every day and they wilt if they don’t get it , like that right front plant and they just drink and drink and drink they are so thirsty. They as a whole drank 1.5 gallons of water, ph to 6.5, before I got any run off. I’m considering maybe 4 gallon pots for my next grow. I’m thinking I still have 2 or 3 more weeks to go yet till harvest.

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looks like a bit of calcium deficiency on that one... supplement with calmag.
 

Virgin Ground

Nug of the Year: 2020 - Member of the Month: Feb 2020 - Plant of the Month: July 2020 - Nug of the Month: June 2019, Nov 2020 - Photo of the Month: Aug 2019
:green_heart:Chunky.


Very nice.
 

RetiredRN

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@Emilya @StoneOtter @InTheShed so I have all my girls outside bathing in the sun today. The smallest one to the far right is one of the northern lights that didn’t veg hardly at all and flowered early on me. She has about 10% brown pistols at this time. The next one over from her is my gorilla glue that is 10 weeks old today and it looks like it still has a couple of more weeks to go because I only have a few brown pistols on it. The remaining plants are northern lights autos and all my northern light plants are nine weeks old but as you can see they are all different sizes and seem to be doing their own thing. I do have a question for today, and forgive me if I have been told it before but am I supposed to be PH adjusting my water after I put my fox farm nutrients in it or no? Some are saying that the soil buffers it and theres no need but I’m not sure I understand completely about that. And as a homestead we collect rain water and use it for various things here but it’s PH is running about 7.4, so do I need to PH that water as well??? Thankyou for helping me, you guys and gals are great!

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InTheShed

Member of the Year: 2018, 2020 - Grow Journal of the Year: 2020 - Member of the Month: Jan 2018, Nov 2018, Jan & Aug 2020 - Grow Journal of the Month: Aug 2018, Dec 2020 - Plant of the Month: Oct 2018
It all depends on who you ask! I'd say you're fine watering FF soil without having to pH your nutes before you use them as the pH of your water doesn't affect the pH of your soil.
 

RetiredRN

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It all depends on who you ask! I'd say you're fine watering FF soil without having to pH your nutes before you use them as the pH of your water doesn't affect the pH of your soil.
So does the PH of the soil dictate wether the plants can use the nutrients I’m dumping into the soil?
 

InTheShed

Member of the Year: 2018, 2020 - Grow Journal of the Year: 2020 - Member of the Month: Jan 2018, Nov 2018, Jan & Aug 2020 - Grow Journal of the Month: Aug 2018, Dec 2020 - Plant of the Month: Oct 2018
Yes. The pH of the medium is what the plants care about, not the pH of the nutes. Nute pH matters in hydro/coco/hempy (perlite). Here is a perfect example of how nute pH is buffered by the soil.
 

Emilya

Member of the Month: Mar 2019 - Grow Journal of the Month: Jan 2020
@Emilya @StoneOtter @InTheShed so I have all my girls outside bathing in the sun today. The smallest one to the far right is one of the northern lights that didn’t veg hardly at all and flowered early on me. She has about 10% brown pistols at this time. The next one over from her is my gorilla glue that is 10 weeks old today and it looks like it still has a couple of more weeks to go because I only have a few brown pistols on it. The remaining plants are northern lights autos and all my northern light plants are nine weeks old but as you can see they are all different sizes and seem to be doing their own thing. I do have a question for today, and forgive me if I have been told it before but am I supposed to be PH adjusting my water after I put my fox farm nutrients in it or no? Some are saying that the soil buffers it and theres no need but I’m not sure I understand completely about that. And as a homestead we collect rain water and use it for various things here but it’s PH is running about 7.4, so do I need to PH that water as well??? Thankyou for helping me, you guys and gals are great!
I was asked just this morning about this because someone knew that I don't pH my water. I explained that I do not, simply because I am not using chelated nutes that require being in a certain pH range before the nutes can break out of their chelated bonds and become available to the plant. If I ran synthetic nutes, such as the Fox Farm line of nutes, you can be sure that I would carefully pH adjust all of my fluids to 6.3 pH immediately before applying it to the plants, no matter the soil I might be in, buffered or not.

@InTheShed and I don't agree on the need for this and he believes that you don't have to pH adjust in certain buffered soils, and technically he is right... but there is a cost associated with this shortcut. His response just now talks about the pH of the water not adjusting the soil pH, and I don't think this has anything to do with anything, the pH of the water is not intended to change the pH of the soil and only very slowly does this over the several months of the grow. The pH of the soil in a closed container is different in different parts of the container, and depending on how much water is still in that region of soil.

Its not about the pH of the soil at all, it is all about the pH of the column of saturated soil after you water. That column has no choice but to assume the ph of the fluid you just saturated it with. If you are in the correct pH range, your nutes are available to the plant. If you are not, the nutes are as inert as they were in the bottle. Let's say you mix up your nutes and find that your mix is now at 5.3 pH. You can apply that to your soil and trust the buffers to react with it and get it into the needed range for the nutes to become mobile, and yes, some soils have enough dolomite in it that this will start the reaction with your nute water as soon as you apply it. It will take time however for this to adjust your nute water down into the usable range and for a significant amount of time as it is still adjusting, your nutes are totally invisible to your plant... they are locked up as tightly as they were in the bottle. For that period of time, only a portion of the nutes in the mix are available to the plant and you are not getting proper nutrition.

Doesn't it make sense to manually adjust the pH of your fluids so that all of the nutes are immediately available?? Are you really willing to go 12 - 24 hours before your nutes actually start working after you water your plants? As in all things, doing things right the first time, is usually best.
 

Emilya

Member of the Month: Mar 2019 - Grow Journal of the Month: Jan 2020
Yes. The pH of the medium is what the plants care about, not the pH of the nutes. Nute pH matters in hydro/coco/hempy (perlite). Here is a perfect example of how nute pH is buffered by the soil.
Sorry, but I don't believe this last statement is true. The base pH of the medium is only what the pH of the soil reverts to when dry. The working pH, is the pH of the saturated column of water, and whether or not the nutes can be mobile and available to the plants depends on if the nutes are in the correct pH range. If it were up to the base pH of most soils, set up near 6.8 or so, nutes would hardly ever be in the range of 6.2-6.8 that we all know is optimum for best pickup.
 

Emilya

Member of the Month: Mar 2019 - Grow Journal of the Month: Jan 2020
I am also curious to hear the explanation as to why nute pH matters everywhere but in soil... that video with some guy with a probe in the soil measuring pH is less than convincing. A probe in the soil? please.
 

InTheShed

Member of the Year: 2018, 2020 - Grow Journal of the Year: 2020 - Member of the Month: Jan 2018, Nov 2018, Jan & Aug 2020 - Grow Journal of the Month: Aug 2018, Dec 2020 - Plant of the Month: Oct 2018
am I supposed to be PH adjusting my water after I put my fox farm nutrients in it or no?
Feel free to pH your nutes if it makes you happy, but what matters is the pH of the FF soil. Over time, the pH of soil and soilless (peat-based) can change due to the type of nitrogen in your nutes (nitrate raises the pH of the soil and ammoniacal lowers it), and the alkaline content of the water.

Soil and peat-based substrates have their pH adjusted to buffer it to a range that suits that medium best. Soil has lots of micronutrients in it, so raising the pH in manufacturing prevents overloading the plants. Peat has no micronutrients in it, so the pH is buffered to a range that allows for their efficient uptake.
 
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Emilya

Member of the Month: Mar 2019 - Grow Journal of the Month: Jan 2020
Shed, lets talk about drift then, since you don't want to address the above points... what it is and why it is important? We use it in hydro and everywhere else, but you are saying it is non existent in soil? According to your theory, soil seems almost magical. Why doesn't everyone use it?
 
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