Should I introduce LST methods on my autoflower?

[Highs and lows]

Hi everyone, I am a new grower and I have read some different opinion on Low stress training auto flowers some say you should some say you shouldn’t but I’m trying to get as big as yield as possible. I’ve started this thread to get some first hand advice. The Green Gelato plant is now 28 days old and looks like it might be ready for LST but I’m not sure if I should introduce it. I will attach a picture. Please drop some advice! thanks.

 

[CagedApe]

Hi everyone, I am a new grower and I have read some different opinion on Low stress training auto flowers some say you should some say you shouldn’t but I’m trying to get as big as yield as possible. I’ve started this thread to get some first hand advice. The Green Gelato plant is now 28 days old and looks like it might be ready for LST but I’m not sure if I should introduce it. I will attach a picture. Please drop some advice! thanks.

You are kind of past introducing LST in the way you would like to. It should be introduced early.
Watch this and the next time you'll know what to do to get those monster yields.

 

[Highs and lows]

You are kind of past introducing LST in the way you would like to. It should be introduced early.
Watch this and the next time you'll know what to do to get those monster yields.

Thank you for your reply. Okay that’s a shame, I’ll have learnt for my next grow. Thanks for the video gonna be watching a lot more of that’s guy haha.

 

[Highs and lows]

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Thank you for your reply. Okay that’s a shame, I’ll have learnt for my next grow. Thanks for the video gonna be watching a lot more of that’s guy haha.

so is it completely out of the question because on the video he was training his plants that look older than mine?

 

[CagedApe]

Oh yeah, you can still do it. No problems there. Lst is a very complicated subject if you are trying to talk about it. It to me is something that needs to be seen so you can watch how the nodes and branches are being structured. Watch YouTube and just type 'LST Autoflowers'. Keep watching and you'll start to understand that there is a few different ways. Some people incorporate topping. The main idea behind LST is to bring down the main leader early(3-5 sets after sprout). This tricks the plant to think that there is no leader. All leaders start to grow at the same height. That's how the yield gets so big, there is 20 big colas and not just the main. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Highs and lows]

Oh yeah, you can still do it. No problems there. Lst is a very complicated subject if you are trying to talk about it. It to me is something that needs to be seen so you can watch how the nodes and branches are being structured. Watch YouTube and just type 'LST Autoflowers'. Keep watching and you'll start to understand that there is a few different ways. Some people incorporate topping. The main idea behind LST is to bring down the main leader early(3-5 sets after sprout). This tricks the plant to think that there is no leader. All leaders start to grow at the same height. That's how the yield gets so big, there is 20 big colas and not just the main. I hope that makes sense.

Your a legend mate you described it well I think I understand and I’m going to keep revising it until I know exactly what to do and hopefully make a start on it. Thanks for that bro, really helped me.

 

[Clancy2]

Greetings Highsand Lows; I've grown a few autos. Autos are on a lifeline and have an appointment with death written in their DNA. My opinion is that far too many people mess around with autos: topping, training, etc and they end up with the same or less bud than if they had just let nature take it's natural course. Every time you damage an auto you subtract good growing time from that appointment with death. That reduces your harvest. For highly experienced growers the story may be different but a new grower, again in my opinion, should be quite happy with a harvest of one ounce. I get between 1 and 1 1/2 ounces and more every time just by letting them grow naturally. I have similar opinions regarding fertilization and defoiliation. Let it be.

 

[Scottylikesbud]

I would lst all my plants if growing indoors to keep the canopy even. Nothing wrong with squeezing every last drop of useable grow light. Plus that way you know you plants are getting about the same intensity of light. So you feed the plant evenly with light at the right intensity. Instead of burning one fast growing cola and starving the lower growth, while keeping a few colas in that Goldilocks zone if you do not lst your plants indoors.
why not lst and super crop branches so you maximize the amount of plants are in that Goldilocks zone and not burning or starving.

 

[Scottylikesbud]

red line too intense, burns plants
Midline plants look happiest suggested flower height.
Bottom line, not strong enough for flower, suggested germination height.
to further give you an idea

 

[Scottylikesbud]

suggested distance for flower by light manufacturers. This plant is so short and stout but sooo fat. Super cropped the main cola down two weeks ago so it doesn’t get light stressed.
Didn’t really affect growth. This is my second run of hydro and super cropping. I find super cropping very helpful for shaping the plant. Takes some practice and seems super sketchy. I’ve bent a lot of them to where I thought it was to far and thought was going to lose them. But haven’t lost one so far. Pretty much stops vertical growth for a bit. But the tops continue to grow and look to be about the same size as not super cropped branches. Also expect some of the lower branches to explode in growth like topping the plant, but the tip continues to grow instead of being tossed.

 

[Stunger]

You could check out @InTheShed 's great tutorial How I perform LST, low stress training, on my plants: lots of pics!

 

[Apoc]

I top autoflowering above the 6th node and LST the limbs spread out and routinely pull 6oz. Off lower yield strains I get like 4z.

Be aware that I use a 7 gallon smart pot with fox farms happy frog and 25% perlite. Mega Crop for fertilizer and suppliment them with 2/0/0 Cal/mag.

Tested plenty of untrained at the same time, untopped with no LST I was getting 1 1/2.

Grab some Superthrive and put 4 drops in a 32 ounce spray bottle then add 1/6 strength fertilizer and Foliar feed 2x a week.

When seedling Foliar feed the same mix 2x week and after defoliation. It supercharges the seedlings, prevents a lot of defeciency and destresses the plants.

Little auto porn. That big Cola is actually from the lowest set of limbs.

 

[Scottylikesbud]

@Apoc
*impressive*

 

[Apoc]

@Apoc
*impressive*

Got a Sour Lowryder 2 bulking up, I'll get a bud porn shot before I chop. Did a side by side with Mars Hydro and Budget LED. Trust me Budget LED and/or Samsung 301 diodes and meanwell drivers.

 

[Scottylikesbud]

Will look into the lights if I find the time lol

 

[Apoc]

There's a @Budget LED rep that lurks here..

 

[Elevated Lighting Company]

Will look into the lights if I find the time lol

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks for the mention @Apoc

 

[multiVortex]

Greetings Highsand Lows; I've grown a few autos. Autos are on a lifeline and have an appointment with death written in their DNA. My opinion is that far too many people mess around with autos: topping, training, etc and they end up with the same or less bud than if they had just let nature take it's natural course. Every time you damage an auto you subtract good growing time from that appointment with death. That reduces your harvest. For highly experienced growers the story may be different but a new grower, again in my opinion, should be quite happy with a harvest of one ounce. I get between 1 and 1 1/2 ounces and more every time just by letting them grow naturally. I have similar opinions regarding fertilization and defoiliation. Let it be.

This is not a complete truth, but only true in certain circumstances.

I top and defoliate my autos a lot. It does not reduce my yield, nor does it decrease my veg time. It actually increases my veg time a bit, and lets them get bigger than they would have if left alone. You can't go all Edward Scissorhands on them, but a light snip of a few leaves and such every day or every other day will do the job.

Now you're not going to delay flowering indefinitely, but you can stretch it out several weeks longer. A brief explanation is that the light, constant pruning keeps the plant producing veg hormones, which keep the flowering hormones from taking over until they've built up a stronger base of them.

If I only got 1-1.5oz off a plant, and I wasn't doing a micro grow or it wasn't some connoisseur/craft type strain, I'd be pissed as hell. More specific, if it's under 4oz I'm not going to be a happy camper.

 

[Clancy2]

multiVortex you completely missed my point: let's compare your grow experience with the original poster's grow experience. No comparison; correct? --Which was my point: New growers should stay away from the fancy stuff.
We see the same errors with all inexperienced gardners, not just cannabis growers. Can a grower, as you have done, increase your harvest with skillful use of various growing techniques---absolutely. Should a new grower do the same---In most cases, absolutely not. Want evidence of that?--Spend a day reading through the problem areas that new growers cry about on their posts--you'll be treated to a litany of reports of over-watering, over-defoliating, and most common--over-fertilizing. You'll see photos of the saddest looking, butchered plants, along with poor harvests. Proof to me at least, that new growers--must learn the foundational stuff first before using techniques designed for and by experienced growers.

As for my 1 to 1 1/2 ounce harvests--Any new grower who is disappointed with that amount was deluding himself from the beginning. Have a good day my multiVortexual friend

 

[Jvernice]

You only become an experience grower by experimenting. You may make a mistake, but it's better to learn from it and expand your growing knowledge and experience. There is no way of advancing ones self by doing things the same way all the time.