I remember getting high in the 70s when the ratios may have been more reasonable, and I wouldn't have driven then either! High people shouldn't drive.
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JustMeds
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I think many of the poisons prescribed should not be taken if you need to drive.
KeifKeith
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I feel it may be the fear of addiction to "drugs", as a whole class of chemical substances, that bleeds into the fear of Cannabis euphoria.
We here at 420Magazine all know Cannabis isn't even close to being a really dangerous drug, but the masses generally have swallowed the Cannabis fear propaganda as it relates to all drugs (alcohol is just another drug, albeit legalized and celebrated). "Reefer Madness" was a very potent and effective campaign, motivated by racial suppression and financial gain.
I truly appreciate the human fear of chemical addiction. I was a counselor for drug addicts many moons ago, and IMHO people need a healthy respect for chemical substance abuse. I was opiate addicted and kicked it in my early 20s. I've lost both family and friends to chemical addiction, they died way too young. I'm losing my nephew right now ... it's so sad and frustrating. Euphoria derived from most chemical substances has a propensity to morph into a debilitating addiction for humans.
BUT ... Big Butt and I cannot lie
... Cannabis isn't like every other drug out there, it is very unique and has the safest profile of ANY drug available. Fear not Cannabis people! It is the safest feel good drug obtainable under the big blue sky. If it is detrimental to derive euphoria using Cannabis (NOT), then they better not use me as an example for abstinence. I'm kicking butt in my old age and have been smoking Cannabis for 53 years.
Bummer about your BIL, I'd have never though he was your intro to growing since he tried to get you busted!
Odd how this world works sometimes, you are a big-hearted woman Susan!
Peace
Keith
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I feel it may be the fear of addiction to "drugs", as a whole class of chemical substances, that bleeds into the fear of Cannabis euphoria.
We here at 420Magazine all know Cannabis isn't even close to being a really dangerous drug, but the masses generally have swallowed the Cannabis fear propaganda as it relates to all drugs (alcohol is just another drug, albeit legalized and celebrated). "Reefer Madness" was a very potent and effective campaign, motivated by racial suppression and financial gain.
I truly appreciate the human fear of chemical addiction. I was a counselor for drug addicts many moons ago, and IMHO people need a healthy respect for chemical substance abuse. I was opiate addicted and kicked it in my early 20s. I've lost both family and friends to chemical addiction, they died way too young. I'm losing my nephew right now ... it's so sad and frustrating. Euphoria derived from most chemical substances has a propensity to morph into a debilitating addiction for humans.
BUT ... Big Butt and I cannot lie
Fear not Cannabis people! It is the safest feel good drug obtainable under the big blue sky. If it is detrimental to derive euphoria using Cannabis (NOT), then they better not use me as an example for abstinence. I'm kicking butt in my old age and have been smoking Cannabis for 53 years.
Bummer about your BIL, I'd have never though he was your intro to growing since he tried to get you busted!
Odd how this world works sometimes, you are a big-hearted woman Susan!
Peace
Keith
Thanks Keith.
I think the big-hearted part is genetic. My mother and grandmother were amazing women and they trained me well.More medical establishment smoke screens.....
Yesterday I accompanied the daughter to an appointment with a gastroenterologist, a follow-up to her ER visit a couple months back when she was having trouble with nausea and vomiting. After getting a basic rundown on her history and discovering she was a cannabis user his immediate response was
1) change the Prilosec dose to morning, with food, instead of the nighttime dose she'd been using for almost ten years
2) work with a therapist about her anxiety and discontinue cannabis use because she probably has Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome.
This is the second specialist in the UPMC system to jump on this diagnosis, one that has no protocol for diagnosing and no doctors keeping track because cannabis is schedule 1.
And yet...... I find it incredibly disturbing that two seemingly intelligent people, schooled in human anatomy - but likely without any training on the ECS - would practice sloppy medicine like this. One of the primary ways they can diagnose CHS is a compulsion to bathe in hot water. This consistent behavior in CHS patients is apparently in response to the relief it offers the system.
Hmmm...... it feels like this might be an attempt by the ECS to control temperature fluctuations or control muscle spasm through the use of hot water. What a fascinating expression to find.
Now.....did this highly-trained specialist with decades of experience ask if she had any compulsion to bathe in hot water?
No.
What he did do was tell us he sees one patient a month with this condition. A condition that has no accepted protocol for diagnosis. I find that surprising, since Dr. Bonnie Goldstein has seen a mere two patients in her practice in the last decade. One of these doctors may be exaggerating. I don't think it's Bonnie.
From Project CBD:
CANNABIS HYPEREMESIS SYNDROME
What is it and should you worry about getting it?
BY BONNI S. GOLDSTEIN, MD ON JULY 02, 2018
CHS sufferers feel compelled to take hot baths
Many of our patients have called in asking about cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS), as this syndrome has been reported in the media numerous times over the past few months. This is a very rare syndrome that occurs in long-term heavy users of THC-rich cannabis. CHS was first reported in the medical literature in 2004. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting and abdominal pain.
Photo credit: American College of Gastroenterology
CHS occurs episodically or cyclically, meaning that the symptoms occur, then resolve, then come back again and so on, over and over. More than 90% of cannabis users who experience these symptoms also have a compulsion to bathe in hot water during the episode, reporting that it alleviates the discomfort.
This compulsion is often what helps doctors and patients figure out that CHS is what’s happening as it is often confused with other diagnoses such as stomach flu, inflammation of the gallbladder, and appendicitis (where there is no compulsion to bathe in hot water).
People suffering from CHS will seek help at the ER and because they are reluctant to tell the doctor about their cannabis use, they go undiagnosed. Abstinence from THC-rich cannabis resolves the condition. Some CHS sufferers are able to re-introduce THC in very low doses without a return of symptoms, but other find that they can no longer tolerate THC.
It is unknown why some cannabis users experience this syndrome. It has been theorized that overuse of THC can make some people’s cannabinoid receptors act paradoxically (opposite) of how they are supposed to act. For example, we know that THC is quite effective for stopping nausea and vomiting because THC binds to the receptors on cells located in the part of the brain that control these symptoms. Once THC binds to the receptor, a chemical reaction takes place, telling the cells to stop sending the nausea/vomiting message. But in CHS, THC causes the opposite effect, increasing nausea and vomiting.
It’s likely that some people are predisposed to this paradoxical reaction because only a very small percentage of people who overuse THC get this syndrome.
Medical cannabis patients usually figure out that overuse of THC-rich cannabis is not effective in treating their medical conditions, as tolerance develops if too much THC is used. Tolerance can lead to loss of therapeutic effects. Low doses used intermittently work quite well for most. Daily users of low dose THC are unlikely to develop CHS.
Including CBD, and/or the raw unheated cannabinoids (THCA and CBDA), in a cannabis treatment regimen is likely to increase the effectiveness and decrease risk of any unwanted side effects, including CHS.
In my experience, medical cannabis patients that are thoughtful in their use of THC-rich medicine are at very low risk for developing CHS. I have seen only two cases of CHS in the last decade of practice. That being said, CHS is quite easy to avoid if you are thoughtful about your use of THC and make sure to not over do it.
Dr. Bonni Goldstein, a Los Angeles-based physician, is the author of Cannabis Revealed and the medical diretor of Canna-Centers, which offers educational seminars and webinars on cannabis therapeutics.
KeifKeith
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Oh Sue, It so sucks that the MDs are failing your daughter. I thought her liver tests were indicative of cirrhosis or fatty liver syndrome? In my opinion medical misdiagnosis are very common and often a symptom of either uncaring or overworked physicians. I could fill these pages with negative professional medical experiences my son has encountered throughout his 33 year life with NF1 (Neurofibromatosis). It's disheartening at best, possibly criminal at worst.
I have a sibling that is a MD, and although we get along well enough at gatherings, I do chide him for his superior god like attitude toward patients and people. Who died and imparted divine knowledge is his head? Nobody. He is rather tainted by the assembly line mentality that is our medical system. He jumps to a diagnosis because he has "seen it all" before, almost like patients are a car brake job or AC repair. I've never walked in his shoes, I imagine his life is a ball of stress, but I expect more from a Doctor. He has told me that doctoring day in and out is akin to profiling (racial, sexual, religious, etc), all humans do it, it's a natural animal process. BUT a medical diagnosis shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to a couple of symptoms.
Keep trying Sue, but accept that the our medical system is a business, first and foremost. We want it to be more than that, but our hopes may never be reality. MDs are not my first choice when dealing with an ailment, I've been failed too many times to put any trust into that machine.
Peace
Keith
I have a sibling that is a MD, and although we get along well enough at gatherings, I do chide him for his superior god like attitude toward patients and people. Who died and imparted divine knowledge is his head? Nobody. He is rather tainted by the assembly line mentality that is our medical system. He jumps to a diagnosis because he has "seen it all" before, almost like patients are a car brake job or AC repair. I've never walked in his shoes, I imagine his life is a ball of stress, but I expect more from a Doctor. He has told me that doctoring day in and out is akin to profiling (racial, sexual, religious, etc), all humans do it, it's a natural animal process. BUT a medical diagnosis shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to a couple of symptoms.
Keep trying Sue, but accept that the our medical system is a business, first and foremost. We want it to be more than that, but our hopes may never be reality. MDs are not my first choice when dealing with an ailment, I've been failed too many times to put any trust into that machine.
Peace
Keith
TopCola
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Hey sweet sue, I am going to order some dinamed cbd seeds from dinafem in hopes to make my own cbd oil. The strain has 14% CBD and less than 1% THC. Do you have any experiance making non-psychoactive CBD oil? I have been looking though the internet and I haven’t found many good resources or posts for making CBD oil. Do you have a recipe? Also is the decarb
process the same for making CBD oil as it is for making Cannabis oil with THC ?
process the same for making CBD oil as it is for making Cannabis oil with THC ?
Oldbear
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Hi Topcola. I make mine the same way. 220f for 220 minutes crumbled bud covered with edible oil in a small jar.
I was fixing to start a batch of cannabutter for edibles and thought I'd try your Instant Pot method. Do you decarb for 1h 50 min and then cook it an additional 1 hr 50 min? Or do you skip the decarb when you're using the Instant Pot?
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That 110 minutes at high pressure decarbs as well as infuses.
Have fun. Let us know how it goes.
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The process is the same TC. They decarb at close enough temps that I don't worry about it. Any CBDa left in the infusion is a good thing, in my mind.
I recently made some Candida oil for my daughter to see if we could get better results with her base meds using higher CBD. I've had her on a 1:2 THC:CBD oil for over a year now, and she has never found it to be psychoactive, although I do. Lol! She weighs significantly more than I, which may account for the different effects.
I personally haven't tried the Candida oil, wanting to save it for my daughter, but it's been an easy substitute for the CBD Critical Cure she's been using, with no ill effects. She's very sensitive to any change in her regimen, so this is a good sign to us that her system is adjusting to the switch.
Good to see you again.
Blazinjones
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Um yeah tht wud be super awesome. I had a question about making fresh havest oil do i decarb the bud right after i chop with nowash or do i wash the plant first? Also which is better for pain fresh harvest oil or done normally??
Blazinjones
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So done this way would i jus strain out the oil when its done cooking and then add lecithin?? Or do u not add that for this method?
TopCola
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Ok, that’s good, so then I will basically use the same method to make cbd oil as I do the cannabis coconut oil. I am hoping to make CBD oil for my miagranes. THC does not help my miagranes, the only thing that helps for me is Advil. So I am hoping the CBD works. Do you have any experiance using CBD for pain relief?The process is the same TC. They decarb at close enough temps that I don't worry about it. Any CBDa left in the infusion is a good thing, in my mind.
I recently made some Candida oil for my daughter to see if we could get better results with her base meds using higher CBD. I've had her on a 1:2 THC:CBD oil for over a year now, and she has never found it to be psychoactive, although I do. Lol! She weighs significantly more than I, which may account for the different effects.
I personally haven't tried the Candida oil, wanting to save it for my daughter, but it's been an easy substitute for the CBD Critical Cure she's been using, with no ill effects. She's very sensitive to any change in her regimen, so this is a good sign to us that her system is adjusting to the switch.
Good to see you again.
Oldbear
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Yes I strain it then add the lecithin to warm oil, and let it simmer a few minutes at low temp - 170ish stirring here and there.
Sometimes I'll add the lecithin before the strain so that I have increased bioavailability of the leftover mash. I consume this in different ways.
Sometimes I'll add the lecithin before the strain so that I have increased bioavailability of the leftover mash. I consume this in different ways.
That 110 minutes at high pressure decarbs as well as infuses.
Have fun. Let us know how it goes.
Thanks a bunch! I'll start it first thing tomorrow morning.
Blazinjones
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Ok awesome thanx man. Another question here could this work for fresh harvest oil or is it for cured buds only?
Oldbear
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Blaze I’ve only done it with dried buds. Fresh harvest hasn’t happened yet for me. That is coming soon I hope.
I don’t see why fresh wouldn’t work but others will know.
I don’t see why fresh wouldn’t work but others will know.
Blazinjones
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The process of making the FHO also decarbs it Jones. You cook it at 235° F for 110 min, or until your decarb bubbles stop.
Always use lecithin if it'll be going through the gut. Oils used sublingually or on the gums don't need lecithin. All ingested cannabis goods, oil included, are more bioavailable with the addition of liquid sunflower lecithin.
My daughter's base meds are a 1:2 THC:CBD, and part of the relief she receives from her doses is reduction in chronic pain. Also, over at the opioid tapering thread we've been seeing members using high doses of CBD, as high as 1:5 to treat withdrawal symptoms and manage unthinkable chronic pain.
When I started in this study I believed CBD had no power to tamp down pain. We have members who've changed my view with CBD creams relieving arthritic pain and the opioid tapering applications. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised TC
Oldbear's method works wonderfully for dried buds. With fresh buds you boil out the water before decarb really gets going. With dry buds there's no water to boil out.
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"Same issue. The THC & other cannabinoids are assisted in the process as agonists, not creators. This process has been tested in reference to the liposcomal encapsulation.The Bio Bomb mix through reactive enzymes frees the access of the mix into the lipid bilayer of the membrane lipid bilayer (blood/brain) member." - CajunCelt
Cajun and I had a conversation about using lecithin in the biobombs over two years ago and at the time this part of it completely confused me. His life became a whirlwind that culminated in his death just over a year later, and we never had the opportunity to cement my understanding.
I stumbled upon it in my notes tonight and resolved to do what I could to finally make sense out of it. There a lot of defining that'll have to occur. Lol!
God, I miss him.
Cajun and I had a conversation about using lecithin in the biobombs over two years ago and at the time this part of it completely confused me. His life became a whirlwind that culminated in his death just over a year later, and we never had the opportunity to cement my understanding.
I stumbled upon it in my notes tonight and resolved to do what I could to finally make sense out of it. There a lot of defining that'll have to occur. Lol!
God, I miss him.
