Using Cannabis To Reduce Or Replace Opiod Drugs

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I'm growing now to replace tramadol and dyhydrocodine I hate taking the tabs but pain gets too bad

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I'm growing now to replace tramadol and dyhydrocodine I hate taking the tabs but pain gets too bad

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Just remember to lower your doses on the other meds so your body gets used to less of them first and then introduce cannabis. =
might be a week of more pain, but it will be worth it.
 
SweetSue knows this story. None of the rest of you do. So I'm here to tell it.

Let me take you back 20 years, to a day I was moving from a dorm room down three flights of stairs and then into an apartment for the summer, up three flights of stairs. I was an avid runner back then, running on average 6 - 8 miles per day. So I went for a run to ease my mind and relax my body. Not a long run, but a hard run.

I woke the next morning unable to move. Unable to get out of bed. Unable to reach the phone. Somehow I crawled to the bathroom pissing and crying all the way because of the pain. Somehow I was able to reach the telephone to call for help, one flight down.

None of the drs seemed to believe me about the intensity of the pain. They seemed to think that I was drug seeking. At the time, I didn't even know there were drugs that could help with the pain.

10 years hence. Enter Ginette, who soon became the wife-bot. She believed me when I said I was in pain. She saw it in my face. She saw it in my stance. She saw it in the way I held my body. She saw ii in the way I spoke. She saw it,a nd was the first one to do so.

4 years hence. A day in the garden like any other, except I dug six holes to plant tomatoes. They had to haul me to the hospital in an ambulance. The ambulance attendant was afraid I would strike out from the pain and hit him in the jaw. I'm not a violent man, but I could've. It was pain like the very first time, unable to move, unable to walk, unable to function. The morphine they gave me took away all the pain, but made me blotto. They sent me home the next day with a prescription for morphine that made me puke and puke and puke and puke. I called it turbo puking for lack of another word. Turbo charged turbo puking. I stopped taking the morphine and gritted my teeth, cried through the pain.

In the mornings, I wake Ginette by calling her name. I cannot turn over in bed to shake her awake. She wakes and gets a glass jar for me to piss into. She has to hold the jar for me to piss because I cannot twist enough to hold it myself. So demeaning. So embarrassing. I was completely mortified but had no ohter choice. When it comes time to get out of bed, I tell the wife-bot to pull me once, keep pulling me, don't stop no matter how strongly I cry out, no matter how much I plead with her to stop, because I know that if I don't continue trying to get out of bed on the one occasion, I won't have the strength to try a second time. Keep going, Ginette, Just keep going no matter how much I cry, no matter how hard I scream, just keep going. Keep going.

In the hospital, they make an appointment with dr. S. for me, a specialist in pain management. On my first appointment with dr S., he gives me between 20 - 30 shots in my back and an epidural to stop the pain The epidural numbs me out from the waist down. The shots in my back numbs me out from the waist up. Add a Fentanyl patch (200 mcg/hr, twice the recommended dosage) and Tylenol 4s for the breakout pain and I'm finally able to walk without a cane again. Even outside. Freedom! Elation! Almost pain-free! Now THAT'S the way to live!

Fast forward 6 or so years. I'm in a new province, having lost dr. S as a dr. I go to a pain clinic here who wants to take away my Fentanyl patch and t4s. Okay, sure. But what will you replace it with? They say Methadone. I say NO. I say Cannabis. They say OKAY.

So at the end of February, 2017 I will attempt to titrate off my huge dose of Fentanyl and T4s and replace it with Cannabis. I'm looking forward to it, if only because the Fentanyl has begun to not work as it once did and the T4s no longer take care of the breakout pain like it once did. I'm looking forward to having a medication that works again. And to be honest, I'm looking forward to having more control over my own dosing, my own medication and my own pain requirements.

So that's my story. I hope it may give strength and hope to another as I continue to update what happens to me and my pain over the next little while.

All my best.
 
Thank you Magnus. :hug: :love:
 
callumc420 said:
Watch vice there a episode on just this topic is really good lol


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If you are talking about the Vice episode regarding Fentanyl it is about people who crush up Fentanyl pills and snort them. That hardly what I do. My Fentanyl "addiction" is a physical one, not a mental one. I don't live my life like that. I am physically addiction because my body relies upon it for pain reduction, and as a consequence, it has become addicted to it as a result. I don't sit there, jonesing about where my next fix will come from, salivating over when I can get the next pills from to crush and push up my nose.

I dose my medication with a transdermal patch, a patch which applies to my skin on the side of my abdomen. I hope you can understand the difference between the Vice characters in their video and me.

There's a huge difference.

If you are talking about a Vice episode where they are using cannabis to replace opiods, then just ignore me. I've never seen an episode like that from Vice, and I've watched a lot of them. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, mind you. ONly that I haven't seen it if it does exist.

And if you're talking about an episode like THAT, then just ignore me tonight. I'm just tired and cranky.
 
No defiantly not mate it's about people recovering from heroine useing dab it's in the middle of the woods people called caregivers look after them can't remember then name of the episode


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callumc420 said:
No defiantly not mate it's about people recovering from heroine useing dab it's in the middle of the woods people called caregivers look after them can't remember then name of the episode


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Thanks callumc420. I'll look that one up when I get back home.

Magnus...... I know it gets rough my friend. :hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:
 
callumc420 said:
No defiantly not mate it's about people recovering from heroine useing dab it's in the middle of the woods people called caregivers look after them can't remember then name of the episode


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Hey Callumc, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to bitch at you. I was very tired and very cranky (and it is very rare for me to become that way) the evening I read your posting. I really didn't mean any offense, and I'm sorry if any was taken. I'm so used to people lately getting on my case for my use of Fentanyl and all for a bunch of misunderstood media attention on the medication. The problem with Fentanyl is those dudes and dudettes who push it up their nose, not the ones with viable medical needs for pain reduction who dose with a transdermal patch like I do. I didn't understand your posting properly, and for that I am very, very sorry.

Thanks so much for not taking offense at my very offensive posting. Again, please forgive me.
 
Magnus8 said:
SweetSue knows this story. None of the rest of you do. So I'm here to tell it.

Let me take you back 20 years, to a day I was moving from a dorm room down three flights of stairs and then into an apartment for the summer, up three flights of stairs. I was an avid runner back then, running on average 6 - 8 miles per day. So I went for a run to ease my mind and relax my body. Not a long run, but a hard run.

I woke the next morning unable to move. Unable to get out of bed. Unable to reach the phone. Somehow I crawled to the bathroom pissing and crying all the way because of the pain. Somehow I was able to reach the telephone to call for help, one flight down.

None of the drs seemed to believe me about the intensity of the pain. They seemed to think that I was drug seeking. At the time, I didn't even know there were drugs that could help with the pain.

10 years hence. Enter Ginette, who soon became the wife-bot. She believed me when I said I was in pain. She saw it in my face. She saw it in my stance. She saw it in the way I held my body. She saw ii in the way I spoke. She saw it,a nd was the first one to do so.

4 years hence. A day in the garden like any other, except I dug six holes to plant tomatoes. They had to haul me to the hospital in an ambulance. The ambulance attendant was afraid I would strike out from the pain and hit him in the jaw. I'm not a violent man, but I could've. It was pain like the very first time, unable to move, unable to walk, unable to function. The morphine they gave me took away all the pain, but made me blotto. They sent me home the next day with a prescription for morphine that made me puke and puke and puke and puke. I called it turbo puking for lack of another word. Turbo charged turbo puking. I stopped taking the morphine and gritted my teeth, cried through the pain.

In the mornings, I wake Ginette by calling her name. I cannot turn over in bed to shake her awake. She wakes and gets a glass jar for me to piss into. She has to hold the jar for me to piss because I cannot twist enough to hold it myself. So demeaning. So embarrassing. I was completely mortified but had no ohter choice. When it comes time to get out of bed, I tell the wife-bot to pull me once, keep pulling me, don't stop no matter how strongly I cry out, no matter how much I plead with her to stop, because I know that if I don't continue trying to get out of bed on the one occasion, I won't have the strength to try a second time. Keep going, Ginette, Just keep going no matter how much I cry, no matter how hard I scream, just keep going. Keep going.

In the hospital, they make an appointment with dr. S. for me, a specialist in pain management. On my first appointment with dr S., he gives me between 20 - 30 shots in my back and an epidural to stop the pain The epidural numbs me out from the waist down. The shots in my back numbs me out from the waist up. Add a Fentanyl patch (200 mcg/hr, twice the recommended dosage) and Tylenol 4s for the breakout pain and I'm finally able to walk without a cane again. Even outside. Freedom! Elation! Almost pain-free! Now THAT'S the way to live!

Fast forward 6 or so years. I'm in a new province, having lost dr. S as a dr. I go to a pain clinic here who wants to take away my Fentanyl patch and t4s. Okay, sure. But what will you replace it with? They say Methadone. I say NO. I say Cannabis. They say OKAY.

So at the end of February, 2017 I will attempt to titrate off my huge dose of Fentanyl and T4s and replace it with Cannabis. I'm looking forward to it, if only because the Fentanyl has begun to not work as it once did and the T4s no longer take care of the breakout pain like it once did. I'm looking forward to having a medication that works again. And to be honest, I'm looking forward to having more control over my own dosing, my own medication and my own pain requirements.

So that's my story. I hope it may give strength and hope to another as I continue to update what happens to me and my pain over the next little while.

All my best.
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Take your time lowering your daily doses
You'll do a lot better using CCO as you do

I'm just hours away from three weeks opiod free

Pains more but at the same time diff
Lil easier to deal with

I took methadone for OVER 10 years
Two year taper and onto a suboxone type med for 7 months

2.5 years it took to get down from 160 mg methadone dose to a 0.1mg dose of bupronephrine

Cbd's will really help with your pain

Gonna take some work but it's so worth it to have piece of mind

That's the hopeful future goal at least, I've still gotta a few miles to crawl

Nice to meet ya

BTW methadone was the hardest drug for me to get off of by far.
Maybe someone will read this and think twice about getting on.

Might be great for others and what they need to get off of illegal street drugs I dunno

For me it would've been better to cold turkey the OxyContin 240 mg a day

I was 60 days off methadone and still in acute withdrawals

Crazy


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HizzyB said:
Take your time lowering your daily doses
You'll do a lot better using CCO as you do

I'm just hours away from three weeks opiod free

Pains more but at the same time diff
Lil easier to deal with

I took methadone for OVER 10 years
Two year taper and onto a suboxone type med for 7 months

2.5 years it took to get down from 160 mg methadone dose to a 0.1mg dose of bupronephrine

Cbd's will really help with your pain

Gonna take some work but it's so worth it to have piece of mind

That's the hopeful future goal at least, I've still gotta a few miles to crawl

Nice to meet ya

BTW methadone was the hardest drug for me to get off of by far.
Maybe someone will read this and think twice about getting on.

Might be great for others and what they need to get off of illegal street drugs I dunno

For me it would've been better to cold turkey the OxyContin 240 mg a day

I was 60 days off methadone and still in acute withdrawals

Crazy


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Thank you, HizzyB. I can read the pain AND the hope behind your words. You are both courageous and kind, and I appreciate both of these sides of you. Congratulations on your journey. Mine started 2 days ago, when I finally was prescribed cannabis for my pain control. Unfortunately, I cannot yet afford to purchase any and must wait for my grow to complete before applying my new medication to my little problem (as I like to think of the opiods). But after a life of acute nute overdose and Nitrogen toxicity (I'm a new grower, what can I say?), my plants are on track after flushing with pH'd water for 2 days and severely reduced nutrient amounts. Thank you Scrogdawg, wherever you are right now, for getting my little babies on track! Another grower on here helped a lot with diagnosing my plants little problem and getting them on track. Anyways... long story shorter, the plants are doing fine now. Will give decreased yield, but better than nothing. Much better than nothing.

I'm growing two Big Bud plants, a high cbd which, according to Lea fly, are great for pain. They put you to sleep, too, which is something I can use. And two Pineapple Express, a high thc strain that may/may not help with the pain, too. I find that cbd helps MORE with the pain, but thc helps some, too. I'll try my best to mix them together at the same time for smoking and CCO production and see how that goes. I purchased the PE because I thought it would help my wife with her motivation and depression which, according to Lea fly it is supposed to do. But I suffer from depression, too, and it could help me, too. I also suffer from anxiety, though, and high thc can trigger my anxiety. But I can live with that for the duration until my next harvest. I really can.

So that's where I stand now in my journey. Waiting on a grow, but I've got my legal papers now.

The future looks brighter.
 
First off I'd like to say I'm very happy that I found this, and decided to read.

I've been addicted to opiates for a little over 10 years. All started being young & dumb, getting into motocross accidents and doctors feeding me pain pills like skittles.

Once the doctors quit giving me what I wanted I decided to look "on the streets" and sure enough found what I was looking for. Now being that I live in Alaska, things tend to be pricy. Percocet 10mg go from $15-25 ea. I bought/used at least 5 a day for the last 5/6 years which lead me to heroine this past year (late 2016)

There are NO opiate treatment centers in my area and NO detox centers. So a few months ago while I was in full withdrawls I walked my ass to the hospital and turned myself in to the 4th floor.

Upon them releasing me I am now in a Suboxone program (I had to wait almost 10 months to get in) and am on 20mg tablets a day. Thank god. Suboxon has saved my life but I don't want to be dependent on any sort of "pill" for the rest of my life, especially now with a 9 m.o. daughter.

I've never been a smoker. But I've always loved the smell of weed and have always wanted to grow it. AND just recently Alaska passed a bill making it completely LEGAL for an adult (21+) to grow up to 6 plants in a household. I believe up to 24 plants total for 1 house.

Soooo I purchased a grow tent, light, ballast/reflector, filter, fan, nutrients, all of the goodies including a few seeds from a friend. I am praying to god I can get this growing thing down so I can grow strains that will help with my addiction and live a long healthy life. Opiates are by far my worst enemy yet best friend and I hate that.

Can someone point me in the right direction for which strains I should be looking to grow? I'm not so much wanting to get "high," I just want something that will ease my cravings and help with the actual back pain (12 year auto mechanic) that I have.


Thank you all so, so much!!

(Sorry for my long putty story...)
 
Just wanted to post the beginning of a success story.

A friend from church was in a severe car accident several years ago and is disabled from it. She is taking (to her) fairly large amounts of opoids to control her pain. I approached her after church one day and broached the subject of cannabis. She was interested to try (and her pain doctor approved even though cannabis is not approved for pain in my state.) She was did not want to "get high" if it could be avoided. She smoked in her younger days so she wasn't afraid of it, just didn't want it.

We started with a cream. She found moderate success with topical treatment, but not enough to cut back on the oxy. She is still not into smoking or vaping, but we discussed making and infused oil so she could accurately moderate her dose. I infused 16oz of olive oil with 1/2oz of Ozone (Sativa dom strain) with 2T Lecithin and dropped it off first thing in the morning as she and her husband were leaving for a vacation road trip. She started with 1/2t along with her oxy the first day and said she definitely "felt" that, so the next day she dosed 1/4t and took 1/2 of her oxy dose. Over the next few days, she has reported cutting her oxy dose to about 1/4 of what she had been using and it has been 6 days.:thanks::circle-of-love::peace:
 
SuperGroomer said:
Just wanted to post the beginning of a success story.

A friend from church was in a severe car accident several years ago and is disabled from it. She is taking (to her) fairly large amounts of opoids to control her pain. I approached her after church one day and broached the subject of cannabis. She was interested to try (and her pain doctor approved even though cannabis is not approved for pain in my state.) She was did not want to "get high" if it could be avoided. She smoked in her younger days so she wasn't afraid of it, just didn't want it.

We started with a cream. She found moderate success with topical treatment, but not enough to cut back on the oxy. She is still not into smoking or vaping, but we discussed making and infused oil so she could accurately moderate her dose. I infused 16oz of olive oil with 1/2oz of Ozone (Sativa dom strain) with 2T Lecithin and dropped it off first thing in the morning as she and her husband were leaving for a vacation road trip. She started with 1/2t along with her oxy the first day and said she definitely "felt" that, so the next day she dosed 1/4t and took 1/2 of her oxy dose. Over the next few days, she has reported cutting her oxy dose to about 1/4 of what she had been using and it has been 6 days.:thanks::circle-of-love::peace:
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These little success stories bring tears every time, no matter how hard I try to hold them back.

Thank you for sharing SuperGroomer. It turns up the burner on my passion and drives me to keep going. Yeah.... as though I could be stopped. :laughtwo:
 
Alaskan420907 said:
First off I'd like to say I'm very happy that I found this, and decided to read.

I've been addicted to opiates for a little over 10 years. All started being young & dumb, getting into motocross accidents and doctors feeding me pain pills like skittles.

Once the doctors quit giving me what I wanted I decided to look "on the streets" and sure enough found what I was looking for. Now being that I live in Alaska, things tend to be pricy. Percocet 10mg go from $15-25 ea. I bought/used at least 5 a day for the last 5/6 years which lead me to heroine this past year (late 2016)

There are NO opiate treatment centers in my area and NO detox centers. So a few months ago while I was in full withdrawls I walked my ass to the hospital and turned myself in to the 4th floor.

Upon them releasing me I am now in a Suboxone program (I had to wait almost 10 months to get in) and am on 20mg tablets a day. Thank god. Suboxon has saved my life but I don't want to be dependent on any sort of "pill" for the rest of my life, especially now with a 9 m.o. daughter.

I've never been a smoker. But I've always loved the smell of weed and have always wanted to grow it. AND just recently Alaska passed a bill making it completely LEGAL for an adult (21+) to grow up to 6 plants in a household. I believe up to 24 plants total for 1 house.

Soooo I purchased a grow tent, light, ballast/reflector, filter, fan, nutrients, all of the goodies including a few seeds from a friend. I am praying to god I can get this growing thing down so I can grow strains that will help with my addiction and live a long healthy life. Opiates are by far my worst enemy yet best friend and I hate that.

Can someone point me in the right direction for which strains I should be looking to grow? I'm not so much wanting to get "high," I just want something that will ease my cravings and help with the actual back pain (12 year auto mechanic) that I have.


Thank you all so, so much!!

(Sorry for my long putty story...)
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Promise me you'll stop apologizing for being wordy. :laughtwo:

You share a story that unfortunately can be replicated by too many among us, but yours will have a much happier ending, because you were smart enough to take inspired action and begin to grow your own.

As to strains, the prevailing wisdom is that treating chronic pain it done best with a strain that has a balanced ratio of THC and CBD. There are any number of strains out there now that will offer this ratio. I use the CBD Critical Cure from Barney's Farm or the CBD Critical Mass from CBD Crew, but that's in now way a strong recommendation that these should be the ones you choose.

If you can find a strain that has a higher than average level of CBG I'd go for that one. With your back injury I'd expect you have some bone damage, and CBG is an active component in the area of strengthening bones. If you pay more attention to the terpenes, which is the smartest way to go, you'll seek out a strain high in limonene for daytime use, since it will keep your spirits and energy levels charged up and something high in myrcene for night meds to get you knocked out and sleeping well.

It's the THC values that'll hit the pain signals and turn them off, so start with the highest value THC you can find, in balance with the CBD component. When you harvest, get yourself over to Magnus's study hall on topicals and make a strong topical to work from the outside in. For that you'll need something stronger than the balanced ratio plants are going to give you. I'd recommend something with THC values at least in the 20% range. This is one of the reasons I grow Carnival. It's been known to top out at around 23%

To summarize: you'll find life easier with three distinct strains

* a high THC value plant for a topical (I hear indicas give higher oil yields - a primary consideration if this is true)
* a balanced ratio sativa-dominant for daytime meds with the highest THC value you can find
* a balanced ratio indica for night meds

To be honest, I'd recommend you go directly to the folks at CBD Crew and ask them which CBD strains they have that would meet those needs. Save yourself a lot of time and frustration. This is what they do for their passion, and IMO, they set the standard. They're very user-friendly. They'll get back to you as soon as they're able. Their testimonials pages are a joyful diversion when you're looking for inspiration or confirmation that you chose the right path.

Keep asking those questions, and consider starting a grow journal so members can help you get to a successful harvest. Relief is ahead. Your future looks like one without opiods. Sweet, eh? :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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This is great for me to help my uncle get off his pills. Subbed

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Good to hear New B. The opiods start out as such a lifesaver, and then they turn on you. It's almost unforgivable what the pharma companies unleashed on us in the name of profit and power.

Almost, but I refuse to get caught up in looking back. I prefer the view of the future free from the devastating effects of opiods used far longer than necessary.

If there's anything you need, you have only to ask.
 

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