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Your favorite organic nutrients for hydro setup! Best hydro organic nutes

hydromaniac

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Hi guys, so as a organic hydro grower I think this forum totally misses a proper thread about best nutes for hydro with results/ or opinions.

Please share with us what nutes you use and gives any PROS & CONS that they have. Also share with us the results you have gotten, price and any issues:

1. What brand of organic nutes do you use? what are the parts/ names? Botanicare organic (Pure blend pro, pure bloom pro, liquid karma, sweet, aquashield)

2. How much does this line cost? about $200 for everything 1 gallon.

3. What are some issues you have face using this brand? looks like I have mild Phosphorus deficiencies in week 7 of bloom but it may be normal or due to ph fluctuation.

4. What makes this brand your favorite? very ph stable as long as the ppm is right for the plant

5. What was your last yields and strains? using as my first grow, will update in 2 weeks when harvest.

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Hosebomber

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Aquaponics is the combination of aquaculture (raising fish) and hydroponics. You use the fish excrement as the nutrient solution pumped to the plants which filter the water and return clean fresh water it for the fish. The results for vegetables and fruits has been very nice. We will see soon for the MMJ.
 

MaxVice

New Member
That sounds like a really fun way to grow hosebomber. If you have tried this I'm very interested in more details about your system; or, if you have a link to good info about aquaponics that would be good too.

I would like to grow indoors with some sort of hydroponic system, but I'm not sure how it'll work since I like to garden organically. If anyone else has info to buff this thread please share. If I cant get a good organic lineup for hydro I will stick with soil.
 

GreatLife4All

New Member
Been thinking about giving either All Organic or High Brix a try in my grows.

Don't know how you feel about Advanced Nutrients - but they have an all organic nutrient plan on their web site: Nutrient Calculator, Hydroponics nutrient calculator

You have to configure some things - but one of the entries is for organics. I have it modeled in a spreadsheet somewhere and will try and post it later tonight.
 

JJ Bones

Nug of the Month: Feb 2013
That sounds like a really fun way to grow hosebomber. If you have tried this I'm very interested in more details about your system; or, if you have a link to good info about aquaponics that would be good too.

I would like to grow indoors with some sort of hydroponic system, but I'm not sure how it'll work since I like to garden organically. If anyone else has info to buff this thread please share. If I cant get a good organic lineup for hydro I will stick with soil.

You can go with a product called Nature's Nectar which is OMRI hydroponic nutrients, you can also try compost tea as well.
 
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GreatLife4All

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Been to your guys web site many times JJ - you should be proud of what you are doing.
 

MaxVice

New Member
Thanks a lot JJ Bones, that is awesome! What you're doing with schools is something to be proud of. +rep
 

MaxVice

New Member
@GreatLife4All - thanks for the reply. I don't know much about AN but I'm about to read up on it thanks to you.
 

GreatLife4All

New Member
They seem to be slightly controversial... But good products and i like the way they support MJ culture.
 

ataxian

New Member
I know many may disagree?

I am a beginner 08/16/13 I started growing HYDROPONICALLY.

The smell of soil grossed me out!

GENERAL HYDROPONICS NUTRIENTS is very easy for me and my girls are healthly and repond well.
Plus my pH and PPMs are stable.

I have since added root hormone and SI-AMOUR (replaced PROTEX) plus I use KOOL BLOOM.

4 weeks into flower (DUTCH CRUNCH) one plant 26 colas!

In my limited experience the water reservoir temperature is over looked.
A water chiller is a must. I keep my Temp for water between 68 - 69f.
AIR with A/C 75 - 79f.

Very basic I know!
 

Dreamofgreen

New Member
i've been happy with blue planet nutrients organic line. as well or better than botanicare. convenient they have everything in one package, except the cal-mag isn't included for what ever reason. gotta order that separately.

 

EmeraldForest

New Member
I like Earth Juice across the board 1/2 strength until the 6th week, then full on in a Rainforest 66 with lots of added bubbles.
 

featherdusta

New Member
Worm wee is brilliant its got it all just dilute wiv water 1st.If u got worm farm ur set. U get castings also which helps u make a rich black loam.Lovely stuff.
 

wrapp

New Member
1. What brand of organic nutes do you use? what are the parts/ names? Botanicare organic (Pure blend pro, pure bloom pro, liquid karma, sweet, aquashield)
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2. How much does this line cost? about $200 for everything 1 gallon.
you know
3. What are some issues you have face using this brand? looks like I have mild Phosphorus deficiencies in week 7 of bloom but it may be normal or due to ph fluctuation.
processing, sodium,yuck factor
4. What makes this brand your favorite? very ph stable as long as the ppm is right for the plant
it is natures own
5. What was your last yields and strains? using as my first grow, will update in 2 weeks when harvest.
small have not developed patience for veg time
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Hi guys, so as a organic hydro grower I think this forum totally misses a proper thread about best nutes for hydro with results/ or opinions.

Please share with us what nutes you use and gives any PROS & CONS that they have. Also share with us the results you have gotten, price and any issues:

1. What brand of organic nutes do you use? what are the parts/ names? Botanicare organic (Pure blend pro, pure bloom pro, liquid karma, sweet, aquashield)

2. How much does this line cost? about $200 for everything 1 gallon.

3. What are some issues you have face using this brand? looks like I have mild Phosphorus deficiencies in week 7 of bloom but it may be normal or due to ph fluctuation.

4. What makes this brand your favorite? very ph stable as long as the ppm is right for the plant

5. What was your last yields and strains? using as my first grow, will update in 2 weeks when harvest.

(add any more detail as you please)
1. Roots Organics HPK ~ 10-15 ml/gallon $20/ 1quart
Roots Organics Surge ~ 2-5ml/gallon $15/ 1 quart

2. The whole line is probably $200, but I haven't tried their veg nutes, standard flower nutes, or any other micro nutes.

3.Years back I learned to grow in perlite and just used the fox farms grow big, bloom and micro nutes and that was it. I was able to grow some surprisingly top shelf stuff, but the yields left a lot to be desired, and nute burn was something I never really eliminated. Anyway I ended up taking a couple year break and the market has changed a ton since then with states legalizing right and left and a plethora of new products coming out.

Now that I've had a chance to start again I wanted to try out something organic without changing the grow medium I was used to. My goal was twofold, reduce the ease of nute burn in flower and improve the ease of flush. After reading up on it, most folks cautioned against using anything organic in a hydro medium due to root rot, so I decided I would work my way into it slowly rather than head first.

My current setup is perpetual, and I've been adding in organic nutes starting with the flower cycle. I'm currently using Roots Organics HPK and Surge for flower with the intent to integrate their P booster and amino acid products soon. As far as I have experienced, HPK is just as capable as any other synthetic nutrient of burning the crap out of your plants if you overdo it. It also didn't significantly improve the flush. That said it's rated at 0-4-3-1 n/p/k/magnesium. The magnesium amount is much higher than I would have expected, but thankfully I haven't seen any signs of burns, even when used alongside CaliMag and another micro nute blend that contains magnesium. This is why you will see some folks describe HPK as a hardener rather than a purely flowering nutrient. As for the Surge, it's also disappointingly not entirely organic (although its really close), but I find it to be fairly 'soft' and forgiving when used in flower; yet underwhelming when added in addition to Grow Big in veg.

In my experience, the recommended application rate for HPK (15ml/gallon) is too strong for 1 gallon plants, but insufficient in P for ~3 gallon or larger. I think Roots Organics P booster will fix that, and for that reason I can't really knock HPK since that sort of deficiency is common across the market. Surge is similarly too strong in N at the recommended 5ml/gallon in 1 gallon pots, but a bit insufficient at 3+ gallon. As for PH consistency, I haven't found HPK to be all that great given the fact its literal guano in a bottle. There is no way to get it mixed properly for a PH reading without aerating it signifigantly (which throws the reading off) and I have noticed swings up to 1 PH over 24 hours. Considering further the impact of root rot and this can make things tricky. Neither smell particularly bad (surge actually smells kinda...good...), but the day after mixing are absolutely foul.

Given that most people use this line in organic soil I decided I may as well bastardize one more process while I was at it and grew two bagseeds in 2 gallon pots 50/50 perlite/steer manure. Even throughout flower, the vegetative growth was superior to anything I could manage in pure perlite up to 5 gallon, and the HPK/Surge was far more forgiving to work with and though neither the bag seeds grew quite as potent as anything in perlite.

Then comes the best part which is constantly fighting root rot. No matter what I do, the only way to mitigate it is to flush with hydrogen peroxide 3%/2ml/gallon every month or so and treat it with some rhizomes and something like Bonticare Hydroguard in between. This doesn't make it go away, just cleans the roots off enough so they can do their job, while destroying all the beneficial microbes that I need to add in order to break down the organic material.(Hydroguard/rhizomes).

TL;DR
Roots Organics line will probably give you amazing results in any soil, but isn't anything special in perlite. That said I will likely continue to use it until the bottle is out, and may continue if I can nail a couple things down being that the yields are good and potency is great.

4. It's my favorite because it's the one I have used.

5. 1/2/oz per 1 gallon perlite pot, really cruddy.
 

SweetSue

Member of the Year: 2015 & 2016 - Member of the Month: Mar 2015, Sept 2016 - Nug of the Month: Oct 2017 - Creme de la Creme Photos: Dec 2016
Nice little writeup there @Kaiser Wilhelm. Much appreciated. :5: I don't understand about 50% of it. Lol! Ahhh..... My inexperience can sometimes give me pause.

I'm growing in hempy, and I just invested in a hearty amount of Mega Crop that'll probably last me for the next year, but I'm interested in finding a way to make the shift to a full organic hempy haven. It looks like you left me a good jumping off point.

So much to learn. So many directions to go. Lol!
 
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