Thread: A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer

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    It may be very different in America - I am in the UK, so NHS; good free treatment (well, you do pay for it in your taxes, but it is free at point of use) - but it is a bit of a conveyor belt.

    As a patient you come to it in relative ignorance and learn as you go on. There is a protocol - it goes chemo - surgery (if you are lucky) - maybe radiation - more chemo, progressively less effective and with increasing collateral damage - all applied according to statistics gleaned from study after formal study.

    Anything like cannabis is a bit out on its own - it isn't tested out to mainstream medicine's satisfaction, so there is a sort of conspiracy of informal approval, personal belief or disbelief and turning a blind eye; but formal, official doubt.

    Patients are not told all the options. Fasting (2 days before, on the day of chemo and one day after) was something I found out about for myself - I now know it is massively effective in protecting you against the negative effects of chemo which specifically targets very active cells; your own body's cells can duck below the parapet in circumstances of perceived starvation, become less active and do only the bare minimum to keep you alive; cancer cells cannot; so they take the hit. There are good formal studies to show this is worthwhile - not one - NOT ONE - that I have seen has had a negative result. But you are never told, because it isn't mainstream.

    I am also trying (with some difficulty - it is much harder than fasting) to follow the keto for cancer diet; that is, low protein, very low carbs and basically you live on fats. It works to slow the cancer - this is known. However the only dietary advice I have been given is "Eat anything you want while on chemo - sugary drinks, foods, cakes - anything to get energy into you, before nausea prevents it" - and, when I questioned this - "Some would say that sugar does feed your cancer, yes.... eat high protein" - more sensible but still wrong, as cancer can feed itself from protein too.

    Against all this, I am aware that chemo has saved my life. If you like to think in military terms it is the air strike of the war against cancer - in there, zap it, try to minimise the collateral damage, whilst recognising it could be heavy - knock it to its knees so surgery can go in there and clear up. I accepted chemo thinking I was going to get surgery, but if surgery can't take every bit of the cancer that is visible, it is not carried out - "statistics suggest it is not advantageous". However, chemo - also increasingly ineffective, continues. The only choice is not to have it - no real choice as to what you have, or when. But I realise now it is not a maintenance treatment, even though it is used as such, because mainstream medicine has nothing else left. So one more session, maybe two, I think - see if it is working at all, and decide where to go from there - then onto CBD oil and keto whilst I wait for the THC.
    You know Nixie, I really didn't know what you had gone through, and I have to applaud you for your attitude resilience and courage. I have already started a to pass on some of Lady's Gs and Sues lessons on attitude and perseverance to my friend Z who has started her second belt of radiation. Chemo is not something that she is interested in again..... at this point

    I'm not sure if there is a protocol or not for her anymore because the cancers has continued to pop up in various places throughout her body, obviously the most recent being a tumor on her skull. Now that that has been successfully removed..... She has successfully started her juicing as well as yesterday being her first suppository bio bomb.

    I did not realize about the keto diet. I once used a similar paleo diet to lose a pile of weight and have being recently investigating Keto diet recipes and implementing them into my family's daily regime. I will pass that advice on to my friend as well.

    Thank you again....
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    I have actually got off very lightly - mostly I feel very well and it doesn't at all seem to me as if I have a potentially fatal disease; and I certainly don't intend to die of it.
    I think your friend has probably had the harder time, but age (I think?) and support from here and especially from yourself, and her own courage are all on her side; she can turn this round.

    I was advised on here to contact Aunt Zelda's for advice - Mara Gordon - it was hugely helpful, though it doesn't follow quite the same protocol as here - they haven't come round to believing in suppositories yet and also prefer to administer CBD and THC separately. I am intending to cover my bases by using both protocols (as Stayalive does).

    One major recommendation from Aunt Zelda's was to follow the Keto for Cancer diet as described by Miriam Kalamian; this would be directly relevant to you as her first experience of this was with her son's brain tumour. Do check this out - it really is important.

    The odd thing is, this hasn't been all that negative an experience, despite my apparent moaning - the surgery (lack of) was upsetting and frustrating, but I feel I am far more in charge of my own future than previously, and the future looks good. I never thought in a million years I would have the guts to use, let alone grow, cannabis. Now, I look at all sorts of things and think - "Well, potentially I can do anything that is doable - I just have to try!"
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    Would have to say - Keto for Cancer is more extreme than ordinary Keto - in fact if I eat 2 sweet cherries I am over my carb allowance for the day... But the hard thing is keeping the protein low - most high fat foods which are not bland and boring are high in protein, and though you need some, it has to be kept right down, whereas ordinary Keto (e.g. for weight loss) permits it.
     

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    Nixie,

    Thanks for sharing about the Keto diet for cancer and also fasting around chemo. Cajun was big proponent of diet as part of the treatment regimen, even though he didn't go into a lot of specifics. His main lesson was "don't feed the cancer," but you are going way beyond that.

    Fasting is new to me, because we really haven't talked about chemo much on this thread except in the past tense. We need to add that to our protocol for patients that choose to include chemo in their treatment. That would include me, since at the time I discovered effectiveness of cannabis I still wasn't willing to stop the chemo, 20/20 hindsight can't change that, and I need to remember that when I talk to others.


    [edit] I admire your positive view regarding your chemo treatment as saving your life. Like you I wasn't given a lot of options by my treatment teams. I'm angry about that and often catch myself wishing I'd had courage to stop chemo instead of being thankful that I found cannabis eventually. What I really need to wish for is clinical trials that will make cannabis a first line treatment for others.
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    Re: A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer

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    Nixie,

    Thanks for sharing about the Keto diet for cancer and also fasting around chemo. Cajun was big proponent of diet as part of the treatment regimen, even though he didn't go into a lot of specifics. His main lesson was "don't feed the cancer," but you are going way beyond that.

    Fasting is new to me, because we really haven't talked about chemo much on this thread except in the past tense. We need to add that to our protocol for patients that choose to include chemo in their treatment. That would include me, since at the time I discovered effectiveness of cannabis I still wasn't willing to stop the chemo, 20/20 hindsight can't change that, and I need to remember that when I talk to others.


    [edit] I admire your positive view regarding your chemo treatment as saving your life. Like you I wasn't given a lot of options by my treatment teams. I'm angry about that and often catch myself wishing I'd had courage to stop chemo instead of being thankful that I found cannabis eventually. What I really need to wish for is clinical trials that will make cannabis a first line treatment for others.
    That anger isn't serving you well KR. I've also been thankful for Nixie's presence among us. She's tempered my own anger against chemotherapy. I've hopes that we can develop some guidelines for chemo patients. The future looks to be a melding of the methodologies, and the sooner we adapt to that the more useful we can be to future members looking for change.

    I was stunned to learn about fasting. It makes such perfect sense and I had fight past that anger again to the place of rejoicing that we now have this shining bit of advice to offer others. Because every little bit may be the puzzle piece someone needed.
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    I've already passed on the advice of fasting to my friend Zena as she was on her way to her 2nd radiation treatment today. What blows me away is that their has been NO advice given to her about diet at all, let alone fasting. I briefly explained, and she went in armed with some new information to ask about. Unfortunately, This evening she was complaining of rather painful issues in her hip. This could be the location of another tumour.

    I'll be looking into Aunt Zelda ( Mara Gordon), is that a member of this forum?

    Again....thank you all.
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    Guy Cavallero, I never thought about fasting as being useful with radiation treatment - but sure enough, google "fasting radiation" and there are studies and discussions in a similar vein to the chemo / fasting stuff; and it works! So why is it hardly ever mentioned?

    I actually broke my fast last week as I was getting over the 'flu and felt rather hollow and empty; I thought it wouldn't matter as the recent lack of side effects had lulled me into a sense of false security. However the side effects came back and very unpleasant they were - so this week I am back to fasting again and will keep it up; I've learnt my lesson and I now know at first hand what it is protecting me against.

    KR, could I ask - you feel chemo made things worse for you in the long run? Was it useful at first - or was it ultimately all bad? I shall stop soon, I think, but it is choosing the moment so that I have had maximum benefit but minimum harm. Then hopefully I will be able to stay off of it.

    I think for me chemo was needed because I had limited time left; my body was shutting down, as I now realise. Maybe THC would have worked quickly enough, but access to it and to knowledge of it, was a problem. I was fortunate to find this forum - even seeing cannabis discussed openly and in an adult way was like a breath of fresh air, and the breadth and depth of discussion and research is fantastic; motivating and life-affirming.

    Mara Gordon - very worth googling, Guy; lots of videos on You-Tube - I got in contact with her clinic and bought a consultation through the recommendation of people on here, including Sweet Sue and Stayalive - I'm sure there was someone else too, and I apologise for having forgotten who - it gave me a tried and tested framework on which to build a dosing protocol.
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    Re: A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Cavallero View Post
    I've already passed on the advice of fasting to my friend Zena as she was on her way to her 2nd radiation treatment today. What blows me away is that their has been NO advice given to her about diet at all, let alone fasting. I briefly explained, and she went in armed with some new information to ask about. Unfortunately, This evening she was complaining of rather painful issues in her hip. This could be the location of another tumour.

    I'll be looking into Aunt Zelda ( Mara Gordon), is that a member of this forum?

    Again....thank you all.
    Aunt Zelda's is the organization put together by Mara Gordon in honor of a family member. It's a cooperative, I believe, in the California medical cannabis community. Mara has made it her mission to spread the word far and wide that cannabinoid therapies should be first response, not last gasp. They offer consulting services, well worth the expense.
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