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    I think that it is too, They are a sponsor here, but that doesn't mean too much in the whole scheme of things, one of the other companies that make inferior stuff could be a sponsor as well if they paid and buttered with enough bs.

    However, the lights have good specs (other than the replace hid statements, that is what makes me nervous about them) and I think they might be a contender, but i can't find any solid info from anyone other than dorm grow. They apparently will be having grow results from private journals to publish soon, but that really isn't going to hold near the merit with me that a public journal here would. I'm still on the fence about this and am driving myself nuts here.

    I need to light a 4x8 flower tent and just can't afford the amoujnt of stealths or the advanced lights that i need to properly light it. I could swing the dorm grows or the blackstars , but i'm not sure of the reputation that it has with the rest of the folks Through all of the rest of my "using the search feature", apparently the penetrator people irritated you guys, so they are out for me, havn't found much about the blackstar here. Every one of you and your experiences here are invaluable to me.

    if i can't find any good opinions on the dorm grows, i may just setup hps and be safe, but i'd like to be a part of the revolution and get great results from it. This is enough of my blabbering.

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    For a 4x8 size tent you are going to need a lot of LEDs. And although I love using LEDs, in your case it may be more cost effective up front to go with an HPS system (if cost is a factor). You will need about 2,000 watts of LEDs to cover your space. You could go with 1/2 of your space in LED and the other in HPS and then convert the whole space after your first or second grow.

    You should keep in mind why you are buying LEDs. I don't want to pay to keep a grow space cooled because of HPS lights. I live in the highest power rate location in the States (aside from Hawaii). We pay almost $0.25 a kwh, more than twice what people in the midwest pay. So, fo me the return on investment comes pretty quick.

    If you have cheap electricity and don't have heat issues then LEDs will have a longer break even point for you. Also keep in mind that you won't be changing out bulbs like you do every 2~3 grows with HPS/MH.

    Now, about claims that a 600w light is equal to a 2,000 HPS setup (or what ever the claims may be). I think that LEDs do have a slight advantage for the same wattage, but I don't have any scientific proof of that. I would think that a 400w LED may produce on par with a 600w HPS but again, just my opinion. Any wild claims should be ignored and the actual facts should be considered.

    How many watts does the light actually draw? If a light is advertised as a 600w light and draws 240w I immediately discount that supplier for false advertising. I then look at their return and warranty policies. If they don't offer a 90 day money back and at least a 2 year warranty then keep looking. If the company is that confident in their product, they should give you a long enough time to evaluate it, 90 days gets you through a flower cycle, 30 days isn't enough time. Also, if you're dropping a grand on a light, it better have a 2~3 year no questions asked warranty (barring any obvious user neglect).

    As for the other company. The reason not to use them is not because of their lights, it is due to their business practices. I won't go into detail here, but suffice it to say, if they offered me a free light I would not take it for fear of any future retribution that they might want to send my way if they were unhappy with my review (think a visit from your local sheriff to check out your grow).
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    Dear sandtrx,
    I had a chance to read your posts and understand your concerns. We have had several customers ask for a longer trial period so we are going to extend our return policy from 60 days to 90 days to give growers a longer time period to try our lights and return them if they are not happy with the results. You will see this change to the return policy on our website in the coming days.
    Thank you for your interest in our company.
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    well, there u go. at least they're listening.
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    dorm grow,

    you need to get your lights to someone like steve that would do a public journal from the start to get things moving for you. With the reservations that i have, I'm thinking about just going hps to be safe. I do not have the funds to gamble with lights that no one knows anything about. I'm really not willing to jeapordize the health and productivity of the plants with an unknown. I know that you totally believe in your lights (at least i hope you do), but with such a valuable crop, they are going to have to be proven.
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    Dear sandtrx,
    We are in agreement with you and are working to get a couple grows for public journals which will be forthcoming. We will provide details in the coming weeks. Until then, we totally understand if you want to stick with traditional growing methods. We appreciate your construction input.
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    Re: Stevehman's LED buyer's guide

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHman View Post
    For a 4x8 size tent you are going to need a lot of LEDs. And although I love using LEDs, in your case it may be more cost effective up front to go with an HPS system (if cost is a factor). You will need about 2,000 watts of LEDs to cover your space. You could go with 1/2 of your space in LED and the other in HPS and then convert the whole space after your first or second grow.

    You should keep in mind why you are buying LEDs. I don't want to pay to keep a grow space cooled because of HPS lights. I live in the highest power rate location in the States (aside from Hawaii). We pay almost $0.25 a kwh, more than twice what people in the midwest pay. So, fo me the return on investment comes pretty quick.

    If you have cheap electricity and don't have heat issues then LEDs will have a longer break even point for you. Also keep in mind that you won't be changing out bulbs like you do every 2~3 grows with HPS/MH.

    Now, about claims that a 600w light is equal to a 2,000 HPS setup (or what ever the claims may be). I think that LEDs do have a slight advantage for the same wattage, but I don't have any scientific proof of that. I would think that a 400w LED may produce on par with a 600w HPS but again, just my opinion. Any wild claims should be ignored and the actual facts should be considered.

    How many watts does the light actually draw? If a light is advertised as a 600w light and draws 240w I immediately discount that supplier for false advertising. I then look at their return and warranty policies. If they don't offer a 90 day money back and at least a 2 year warranty then keep looking. If the company is that confident in their product, they should give you a long enough time to evaluate it, 90 days gets you through a flower cycle, 30 days isn't enough time. Also, if you're dropping a grand on a light, it better have a 2~3 year no questions asked warranty (barring any obvious user neglect).

    As for the other company. The reason not to use them is not because of their lights, it is due to their business practices. I won't go into detail here, but suffice it to say, if they offered me a free light I would not take it for fear of any future retribution that they might want to send my way if they were unhappy with my review (think a visit from your local sheriff to check out your grow).
    Hey Steve, this is an excellent post. It basically sums up a bunch of the buyers guide.
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    Hey guys just another thought, how do you think 2 DS400's would cover a 4x5 as compared to 4 DS200's? Can you rely on their coverage claims when they say the DS400's will sufficiently light 4 feet in length?

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    Disclaimer: I own GS 600w Pro Bloom, not advanced led product.

    I actually think DS200's, based on what I look at on their website will not properly cover 4x5. Mainly because of the odd "not square" shape of your grow area. I believe, the 400 would be right. Even the 300 may be slightly less than needed because you couldnt get both 4' & 5' based on positioning.

    With my GS 600w, I now feel more confident I could do a good full grow in 4x4, (I'm currently only using about 65% of my 4x4 area) but in 4x5 I would use two. This in turn seems less than optimal for the 600. Sure I'd get great third off effect, but would I be using the light(s) to it's true grow area of value? Example, I think 2 x 600's would give me a fantastic grow in 4 x 7 or 4 x 8 and be in terms of efficiency costs be more optimal.

    As for Advanced you could even go DS800 and be confident in coverage. You'd also be using slightly less kwh than 2 x ds400's and have more coverage.

    I hope what I said makes sense.

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    Hey ledbudz.

    I will know the answer to this sometime this weekend. I currently have 2 of the DS200's over an aeroflo 30 I will say they cover the tubes perfectly!

    I also have two of the DS400's that will FedEx says they are going to deliver tomorrow. I bought them to cover a 4x4 flood table. I'm confident I will get more than adequate coverage out of two of the DS400's over the table, but I will be able to verify once I get them hung up this weekend.

    4 of the DS200's will more than cover your 4x5 no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratatattooey View Post
    Hey ledbudz.

    I will know the answer to this sometime this weekend. I currently have 2 of the DS200's over an aeroflo 30 I will say they cover the tubes perfectly!

    I also have two of the DS400's that will FedEx says they are going to deliver tomorrow. I bought them to cover a 4x4 flood table. I'm confident I will get more than adequate coverage out of two of the DS400's over the table, but I will be able to verify once I get them hung up this weekend.

    4 of the DS200's will more than cover your 4x5 no problems.
    In terms of cost efficiency I wouldnt suggest 4 x 200's for 4x5.

    20 more watts per hour vs 4 x 200's
    $2200 pice tag for four (just using retail price tag for comparison) or basically $210 more than 2 x 400's

    based on website, 2 x 400's can be hung to perfectly cover 4x5 with probably very nice third off effect too.

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    Althought the 4 DS200's would have "too much" core coverage I would save power with 2 DS400's and have perfect Core coverage

    Ratattooey, please let me know how those 400's work out for you

    Bassman, you seem to lean way from 4 DS200's in your first post and towards them in your second, and in terms of cost efficiency, I think the 2 DS400's would be better, they cost less up front, and would give a much more even light distribution on my canopy(Scrog btw), with also using very slightly less watts.

    Thanks for the input guys, i hope it doesn't seem like I answered my own question, I look forward to seeing how ratattooeys DS400's cover the 4 foot length!

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    yes. I really wanted 4 more of the 200's. However; budget concerns were becoming a major concern. (do you feel sorry for me? lol) sad when $200 is a problem.!!

    with 4 of the 200's you also have the ability to be more modular and creative in your space as time goes on and your grow.. grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledbudz View Post
    Althought the 4 DS200's would have "too much" core coverage I would save power with 2 DS400's and have perfect Core coverage

    Ratattooey, please let me know how those 400's work out for you

    Bassman, you seem to lean way from 4 DS200's in your first post and towards them in your second, and in terms of cost efficiency, I think the 2 DS400's would be better, they cost less up front, and would give a much more even light distribution on my canopy(Scrog btw), with also using very slightly less watts.

    Thanks for the input guys, i hope it doesn't seem like I answered my own question, I look forward to seeing how ratattooeys DS400's cover the 4 foot length!
    my mistake, I typed it wrong. I do lean towards 400's much more. (fixed that post too)

    That being said, I think you should get 2 x GS 600w pro-bloom

    But I believe you'll have great results with either.

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    ledbudz...

    I'll try to get some pictures for you. I'll get the lights up, and put some pots in the table, then I'll measure out 20" distance from pots to light, then take pics of the light coverage for you. I doubt there would be much need for the lights to ever be lower than that.

    Once I get the lights up, I will start a journal for that grow as well. I'll have 3 different first time grows going at once. (I think I'm in over my head..)
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