thanks m8 and it had sum n def issuse but thet were quickly resolved and av been using ph water around 5.8 6.2 never any lower or higher ma grow room is 1.2x1.2x2.0m with 5 plants am using a 400w hps light with a 250cfl red and nutrients has been canna coco a+b while in veg at one point a was pumping them full of it n they where just taking it no nute burn or anything am using canna flora at the miniute and feeding every second day the soil is a mystery a dont no the make a used canna coco soil for ma other four but ran out so had to use sum shit ma mums uses for her vegies am hoping to get a nutha light today when a can be arsed