State Auditor Says Issue 3 Not The Way To Legalize Medical Marijuana

Jacob Redmond

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Ohioans should be able to vote on repealing marijuana prohibition without creating a monopoly for a "cartel" of investors, according to Auditor of State Dave Yost, one of many Republican statewide office-holders speaking out against Issue 3 and in favor of Issue 2.

Yost addressed Springfield Rotary Club on Monday, saying he believes legalized recreational marijuana will ruin Ohio's labor force and be harmful to kids, but that it's time for state lawmakers to consider allowing medical marijuana in a tightly regulated way.

"We need to do this and do it right," Yost said. "This is the wrong way to do it. It's too extreme."

But those pushing for legalized marijuana question Yost's commitment to reform beyond defeating Issue 3.

"Mr. Yost and state politicians have been working in an underhanded fashion for years to keep marijuana prohibition intact," said Ian James, executive director of ResponsibleOhio. "The fact that Mr. Yost now says that he supports medical marijuana, with the reality that he has yet to lift a single finger or work for marijuana legalization for the chronically ill, is not only stunning, it's galling."

Countering Yost's claims that marijuana is a gateway drug with the potential to harm individuals, James accused the former journalist and prosecutor of using the drug in the past.

"It's amazing to me that someone like Dave who smoked marijuana is so concerned about it ... If it was a gateway to anything, it was a gateway for David Yost to become the auditor of state," he said.

Yost confirmed that he experimented with marijuana while a student at Ohio State University in the 1970s, but during years as a prosecutor he saw the devastating effects of drug addiction.

Issue 3 is ResponsibleOhio's ballot initiative that would legalize marijuana both for medical and recreational use, establish 10 growing sites across the state and allow adults to harvest up to four plants at home for personal use.

Issue 2 was put on the ballot by state lawmakers and would outlaw monopolies in the state constitution and could void Issue 3, Yost says, even if both issues pass.

"(Issue 3) creates a cartel for a small number of individuals who are going to get rich," Yost said. "Imagine if we had only 10 places you were allowed to grow corn in Ohio?"

Responsible Ohio says claims of a monopoly are unfounded because the state lawmaker will be able to increase the number of growing licenses after four years, opening up the market to everyone.

"Most legalized states limit the number of licenses for grows so that the government can regulate," James said. "That's not a monopoly, that's a regulated industry."

The 10 growers initially specified in Issue 3 are all backers of the initiative, who will spend an estimated $20 million on the campaign, Yost said, and stand to make huge profits.

James said those 10 potential license holders were chosen because they were willing to put up the money to get the issue on the ballot.

"Let's not kid ourselves... (in other states) the licensing is handed out by bureaucrats," often through backroom deals, James said. ResponsibleOhio is putting everything in full view of the public and letting voters decide, he said.

The growers will make money, James said, but so will all the people they will employ and the thousands of Ohioans who will own and operate retail stores.

Issue 2 is the state's effort to make sure voters aren't forced into all-or-nothing situations, Yost said. If it passes, future issues would have to pose the question of a monopoly separately. For example, voters would consider if they would like to see marijuana legalized. If so, then a separate ballot issue would ask if these 10 investors have exclusive rights to production.

"I cannot imagine the circumstances where Ohioans would say, 'Yes, you can have a monopoly, we'll write it in our constitution forever,'" Yost said.

He shared the story of how Ohio voters ended the decades-long prohibition on the sale of margarine in 1949.
The dairy lobby – threatened by the prospect of cheaper margarine dyed yellow to look like butter – convinced Ohio legislators to ban its sale statewide, Yost said. The people finally took up a petition to get it on the ballot and voted to allow margarine on Ohio grocery shelves.

"This story is instructive, because they passed it and there was no monopoly," Yost said.

As a conservative, he said he didn't come around to the idea of medical marijuana lightly. It took talking with families who are affected by childhood epilepsy, terminal cancer and other situations in which suffering could be lessened.

Tracey Tackett's 15-year-old daughter has been epileptic since age 2. She's suffered hundreds of seizures.
"She says she feels like she's drowning," Tackett said.

The Springfield business owner is in favor of medical marijuana, but against legalizing it for recreational use.

"We don't want people driving around high," she said, but study after study have convinced her that medical marijuana could help patients like her daughter.

Yost also said he has concerns about recreational marijuana and the potential for young people to be harmed.

"It opens the door, wide open, to marijuana gummy bears, marijuana cookies, marijuana candy. It's going to endanger our kids," he said.

ResponsibleOhio's goal is to give control to the government for a safer industry for all, James said.

"You can't regulate marijuana if you don't legalize marijuana," he said. "People are consuming marijuana right now in Ohio and drug dealers are selling marijuana right now because we aren't regulating it."

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Another two faced hypocrite.
Hey It didn't harm me , but it will you and destroy your family and make your Kids Drug addicts..
Fuck Off Dave Yost..
I apologize for my language.
People like him enrage me..
If anything you should have learned as a prosecutor.
You ( the prosecutor ) caused irreparable damage to these people's lives.
Not their use of the plant..
Hey Dave, be truthful to yourself.
This is the reason that I disapprove of almost All republicans.
Good for me.. Terrible for you.. Oh really?
What about the last 3 U.S. presidents smoked it, the founder of Apple smoked it,
The founder of Microsoft used it.
Hey wait those people are losers and drug addicts right Dave?
Dave Yost go jump off a cliff and do the world a big favor by ridding us of one more hypocrite politician.
 
You got dat right. It is easy for people to see the government is staffed by hypocrites, an idea that is hard to dispel...... The states individually banned alcohol one after the other until 1929 the Federal government jumped on the prohibition bandwagon and it will be the same with this issue. The individuals in the states will decide, and then the slow moving Federal Government will be forced to act, just like in prohibition. The Schedule 1 classification was instituted by NIXON, a president whose vice went to jail for corruption and had to resign his office. Amazing how long the legacy of such disgraced people can live on in infamy long after they themselves had to cease being officeholders. It truly is amazing how long their poisonous legacies continue on!
 
what about the merits of Issue 2 -vs- Issue 3?
Issue 2 is a self serving dealio that these legistlators dreamed up to act as a nullifier of the will of the people should they vote in the affirmative for issue 3. It is aimed specifically for issue 3. Hypocrites, but don't matter. They are going to do what the people want or be out on their ears.
 
Issue 2 is a direct response by some on the state legislature to nullify Issue 3 period.
The Author and sponsor of this blatant attempt at suppression of ballot initiatives in the future.
They didn't seem to mind when billionaire Dan Gilbert wanted to write ownership of casinos into the constitution.
Do not be fooled.
Ebey Brown distributes almost All the cigarettes in the state, Where is the monopoly outcry about that?
That is a True Monopoly..One company..
Responsible Ohio = 10 separate companies = not a monopoly.. Mono = 1
 
When airlines collude to split a market amongst themselves and fix ticket prices that is called a collusive monopoly. It is a criminal act to conspire to fix prices to defraud the consumer. This is an oligopoly another term for gangsters that collude together to strong arm their captive populations and extract high prices and low pay from that colony. The sad fact is a big part of Amerika is being operated as a " colony" for the few who are directly and lucratively financially benefitting from the knowledge and labor of others, who were just hijacked.Ebey Brown distributes because they have taken great pains to build a totally customer driven business, and O'Conner's here was at one time a huge tobacco distributor until they weren't, the customers were still there and it is huge because they have built the distribution network and can operate at a profit. There is no law that says that someone with a better business model, and technological achievement and " knowledge" cannot compete and take advantage of Eby Brown's short comings. This Issue 3 says that these 10 will control market and do you really see any competition between these folks? This is a gentleman's agreement, here is the cow, let's divvy it up amongst ourselves, and no arguing......... This is definitely anti competitive and collusion. I think the misconception of the word monopoly and the association with the number 1 is misplaced here.
 
Is mono not Latin for One?
Is that not the dictionary term for mono?
Greek Roots
I am sorry it's Greek in origin... It means literally One..
Find a new suffix, that one is not appropriate or correct.

If anything it is a consortium.
Dictionary
consortium
noun
an association, typically of several business companies
the right of association and companionship with one's husband or wife
Word Origin
early 19th century (in the sense ‘partnership’): from Latin, from consors ‘sharing, partner’ (see consort1).

Words Have Meaning and weight..
Please use the correct terms as that one is not it.
There will be 10 different growers, hell one is a Dr. And is Medical Only..
Where is his monopoly on the recreational retail market?
There is not one.
I am governed by rules and regulations at work.
Some say, " may"
Some say " shall"
Some say " appropriate use "
See words have meanings.
There are 10 separate entities who came together under this umbrella name for this proposal only..
They will be conducting there business separately in separate locations.
Do you think OTEP has $20,000,000 to spend on a ballot proposal that will actually make it to the ballot box?
I do not, and will vote accordingly.
 
I do not think that Responsble Ohio is the best ballot proposal.
I think it is the only way possible to have legalization In Ohio,
and wait if this fails OTEP will flop next year.
I would rather have an Imperfect legalization model than no model At all
 
Is mono not Latin for One?
Is that not the dictionary term for mono?
Greek Roots
I am sorry it's Greek in origin... It means literally One..
Find a new suffix, that one is not appropriate or correct.

If anything it is a consortium.
Dictionary
consortium
noun
an association, typically of several business companies
the right of association and companionship with one's husband or wife
Word Origin
early 19th century (in the sense ‘partnership’): from Latin, from consors ‘sharing, partner’ (see consort1).

Words Have Meaning and weight..
Please use the correct terms as that one is not it.
There will be 10 different growers, hell one is a Dr. And is Medical Only..
Where is his monopoly on the recreational retail market?
There is not one.
I am governed by rules and regulations at work.
Some say, " may"
Some say " shall"
Some say " appropriate use "
See words have meanings.
There are 10 separate entities who came together under this umbrella name for this proposal only..
They will be conducting there business separately in separate locations.
Do you think OTEP has $20,000,000 to spend on a ballot proposal that will actually make it to the ballot box?
I do not, and will vote accordingly.
" Good for you. Life is easy when choices are so clear."
 
I agree with your thinking ilynnboy.

Any discussion that associates the 10 designated marijuana growers / producers defined in Ohio Ballot Issue 3 with being a monopoly is simply a red herring designed to distract and derail the legalization of marijuana in Ohio.
 
Ticobird, your quote by Carl Sagan points out clearly the illogic of your reasoning. The cartel of the Responsible Ohio people are indeed the bamboozlers. After others have laboriously plowed the ground and prepared the soil for the last 50 years now the Responsible Ohio wnts to come in and harvest the fields others have prepared. You cannot or will not recognize them as the bamboozlers. These charlatans will have power over us without our consent or desire and by the rules and language of the Issue 3 we will never get it back. As far as I can see, you an bamboozler yourself. Like olderthandirt said, Oregon would have not passed the total clusterfuck that Issue 3 is. Yet you support it. I guess a drowning man would hold onto a sea mine( gingerly) to keep from drowning. The battle being waged the last 50 years is coming to a head and we are not in position to accept a shitty deal as a concession to cessation of hostilities anymore than Lincoln would have accepted the status quo even after the early disasterous defeats. He would not have accepted a deal that allowed the south to maintain slavery as an institution, though he would have been sorely pressed and conflicted to do so. Neither would have Benjamin Rush, John and Sam Adams, John Hancock, George Washington Jefferson, Franklin, and all the others accepted less than victory, accepted anything less than independence despite the deprivations they had to endure. An average of 12 citizens a day died on the nasty conditions in the holds of the British Prison ships anchored in New York Harbor. Be firm, be resolute, and if you get a case, clog up the thing with your own body by not " copping a plea". Stand Firm, or you gonna feed worm. Listen to Peter Tosh's Recruiting Soldiers and Get Up Stand UP. Resolve yourself to struggle.
 
ResponsibleOhio Ballot Issue 3 is a well thought out compromise that allows legal manufacture and possession of marijuana.

Does it have 'deficiencies'? Yes, but these deficiencies are not fatal to the promise of access to legal marijuana for all adults in Ohio.

Can any perceived 'deficiencies' be corrected. Yes, per the existing Ohio State Constitution all existing laws can be adjusted to suit the political situation at the moment. Specifically as it applies to the ResponsibleOhio Ballot Issue 3 here is an example of a provision that expressly addresses the concern of an inadequate supply of marijuana by allowing for the creation of more marijuana manufacturing sites, i.e.,

"If the Commission determines during its annual audits of the MGCE [Marijuana Growth, Cultivation and Extraction] facilities that such facilities collectively failed to produce marijuana and medical marijuana sufficient to substantially meet the published consumer demand metrics for the previous year and cannot demonstrate that they are likely to do so in the ensuing year, the Commission may issue a license for an additional MGCE facility at a site other than what has been designated herein."

I detect in DrRootswell's argument the presumption that any adult should be able to manufacture marijuana and sell it. If you think about it from a pure freedom point of view this sounds fine but the reality is the commercialization of marijuana involves guarantees of product quality and safety that will be provided by the oversight of the Ohio Marijuana Control Commission. Of course our government (actually the people) want a quality and safe product free of bad substances whose manufacture is well controlled by an authority put in place to do just that. I know when I come to Ohio to partake in smoking legal marijuana I want those guarantees in effect as will thousands if not hundreds of thousand or maybe even millions of others. Oh, by the way, after a few years of a legal marijuana market I suspect the Ohio Marijuana Control Commission will need to create more manufacturing sites than defined in Ballot Issue 3.

Finally, I resent DrRootswell's assertion that my constitutional right to free speech does not matter using the premise that since I am not an Ohio resident my opinion should not count. "Looks to me as if you have no say in the matter at all. Keep working for law change in Alabama." My 420magazine.com profile is up to date and anybody can take a look at what I have written. My opinions regarding the legalization of marijuana are as relevant in Ohio as they are anywhere else. I honestly do not have any other agenda but to move the marijuana legalization issue toward granting adults the right to legally grow and possess marijuana.

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 Vote YES for Ohio Ballot Issue 3
On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 Vote NO for Ohio Ballot Issue 2
 
1) I object to tico supporting the " licensing" of a personal grow because I know what comes with that. 2) I support a free and open market where anyone can compete, not the fat cat opportunists only. If someone a soybean farmer a corn farmer wants to grow marijuana to get into the inspected and regulated market to have more college or vacation money why should he/ she not be able to do that? A free and open market creates the best prices and product for the consumer, not a product that has a total domination of the marketplace via coercive state power .3) I never said that your free speech rights don't matter. They don't matter here as you are not a citizen of Ohio and are not able to vote on the constitutional amendment. I do not know why you would want to come here and pay 560$ an ounce ( Minnesota prices) for what they foist off on you. 4) Work for your Alabama rights. 5) Anyone with desire and ability can easily get into beer brewing, small distillery operation. Rules in line with that will be satisfactory. 6) Prices will be sky high with no elimination of the black market situation, see Washington, Oregon problems. Juaquin Guzman will be happy to continue to provide Mexican marijuana to compete with the sky high " store prices". 7) Your mentioned demand metrics. Is that demand metrics through the sales of the stores only which is illusionary or the true demand metrics? What demand metrics are you using? Many people in even established medical states go back to buying on black market as store prices are artificially high. Many articles on just exactly this issue on 420 site. So you want to see " medicine" that insurance will NOT pay for at 400 to 560$ an ounce? I just want to take the money out of it leaving those that are truly dedicated to providing this product or " medicine" to people at a fair price, not a price determined by greedy opportunists because of cooperation with coercive corrosive state power preventing competition. You want legalization foisted off on us by this clusterfuck amendment, which is a bad deal for everyone concerned: Patients, citizens who want access to " safe unadulterated " product, and this is a bad deal for everyone concerned but the fat cat opportunists who want to capitalize on the 50 years of effort by others ( who they have opposed) now that public opinion and perception has changed favorably. The ballot language you tout often says 4 " flowering"plants. Can I have 10 plants not flowering in addition to the 4 flowering? I would say NO. When the compliance folks come and you have 4 flowering plants, and 4 clones, are you out of compliance? I would venture to say yes. Is there any provision for the selling of clones to those that want to grow 4 flowering plants? NO. This ballot issue will increase penalties for those found not in compliance. And, Tico, you finally put up a quote I cannot use to destruct the argument you made in the body of your post. The Economic article you referred to concerning MONOPOLY blew up your argument as did your quote by Carl Sagen about bamboozlers. We founded a country on just this issue, artificially high prices on tea. Remember the motivation of the Boston Tea Party? Finally, when you come to Ohio to smoke " legal" marijuana, be prepared to leave your wallet behind. Come on vacation, leave on probation. Your Alabama license plates will tell them you are a cash cow. And as for "well thought out" the 4 plant provision was an after thought when they encountered strong resistance, not in their initial plan at all. Greed is the total motivator here, and you are among the bamboozled if you think otherwise. Thanks for the Sagan quote anyway.
 
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