With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Grasp

[Poopster1973]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

No one says you have to go to the market to purchase your tomatoes, potatoes or carrots. You can grow those at home. They shouldn't force you to pay for your meds either! Anything organic should be legal, period. I choose freedom of choice. If I want to do H, C, MJ, what difference does it make. If my actions do no harm to others, leave me the f**k alone. If we as a whole don't make a stand U.S.A. my be the next Socialist Party. For this thing to finally be over all drugs are going to have to be legalized. Sign the petition at change.org.

Our money is being squandered to put our loved ones in a prison slave camps. This is the 20th century slave movement. Put killers, rapist, petafiles, etc., in prison. Free non-violent offenders. While on the subject. If a mofo is on death row, don't keep him there for 20 yrs. taking our money, get it over with!!

From what I understand is this bill is going to keep the astronomical prices that are currently on the table. If MJ was legal it would be free, keep that in mind when you punch that ballot. I can understand everyone in Cali wanting to do the right thing but make a wise choice. For what you do in November can effect the rest of us later. Don't be gullible, read the "Bill"!!

 

[kirk angel525]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

ouch!

love the idea of the law, but to make possession of mj a felony under the age of 21 is just WRONG on so many levels!

I can not believe the writer's of this bill would include such a thing!!!

will say to those greedy growers and dealers out there, that your days ARE numbered and it is best to stake a claim and evolve because the times are and will continue to change. I believe Cali will be the 1st state to legalize, it will come down to how the law is written. if it doesn't pass this year, there always 2012, 2014, ect.. it's only a matter of time. Cali knows it, the other 49 know it, and so does Washington. it's gonna be up to you out there in the Golden State to set the table and drive legalization forward!

kirk

 

[GanjaAL2]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

The prisons are going to be maxed baby. 18-20 a felony to have any on you. Ouch! There goes your aid for school.

 

[Lemon Paradise]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

California is full of people who would consider corp. farming if only the state law passed.Not the least the backers of this bill from Oaksterdam who are all ready to gear up.Philip Morris has already got patents on name brands,bought acres of farm land,and has plans in place for processing plants to be built.True it would be contained to the California market for now though but then this Tax,Regulate and control idea isn`t going to be contained just to Cali for long! And even in the time it takes to gear up it would still be against the law for small farmers to grow without the permits and fees involved being payed. Small farming would not be able to comply because of cost.It`s not just the fees and permits but also accountability of the crops,records,and security that would be required.Small ops would not be able to grow cost effectively.

Thanks Mark,

You mention brewing, and I think that is a good example. I am allowed to brew 15 gal/yr I think. However, I consume far more than that.. The ingredients end up costing me about 30 to 40 bucks a batch and I get 2 cases a batch,, 1 batch is 5 gal. So a little savings, but not much from retail. And alot of work. But what I do get is a far superior product, better taste etc, and it's kinda fun to give a brew and say I made it... But the cost is close to retail, but being able to brew also probably helps keep retail prices in check,, (besides the hefty taxes you pay at retial) I would think that this would have the same effect on MJ, if more people can grow it, then retial prices will come down.



Kinda like growing,, alot of work, but a labor of love.. and a better product. I know if I brew more beer than allwoed per year, no one is gonna say anything,, as for MJ, I would hope the same, but again, I am a realist and realize there will always be some limit. but 25 sq ft, with a SOG, and staged every couple of weeks, you could get more than enough for personal consumption..

and the way the law reads, it sounds like it would be 25 sq ft per residence.. so a multi-family, like a duplex, should be able to have 2 separate grow areas..

(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.

(v) "residence" means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.

and it looks like it would allow a pot cafe of sorts?

"Personal consumption" shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.

I do not see anywhere where it allows commercial grows either, so if you could provide where in the bill that it would allow a commercial entity like Phillip Morris to grow, that would be great. However, I think a commercial grower would just bring the proces down, like Budweiser and such do for beer...

as for the felonies.. please point out to me where it states that a minor smoking pot would be guilty of a felony.
I see reference to someone who gives pot to a minor,, and there is a law against giving alcohol to a minor as well,,,

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

I am not trying to be confrontational, so please do not take it that way. I want to see MJ legal, just like you. I just want to know the facts, and not the spin...

 

[Bonehead]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

Many ,Many stoners and most of the well informed are against the Tax,Regulate,and Control law! If you go to newagecitizen-dot-com you can see why most informed stoners won`t be voting for this bill! It has youtube vids of Jack Herer and Dinnis Peron`s (the author of prop 215) arguments.I couldn`t say it any better than them!

Could you post some of these so called videos of Herer and Peron. I don't see them on the web site you quote. Web Site: pretty much a jumbled mess. There are quotes from the web site themselves speaking for Herer. I could see Herer and Peron having concerns with the Proposition but outright against I find hard to believe.

 

[YouGrowBoy]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

The problem is that ALL paths to legalization will include language that old school smokers will not like as "the man" is now involved. There is no prop that will pass that does not have state or federal fingerprints on it. Tax and regulate will always be part of any mj ballot initiative. People benefiting from the current system will be hurt when passed. Legal dispensary owners are opposed because it will cut into their business as they will have much more competition. Growers are afraid of corporate giants factory farming it. Keeping MJ in the legal gray areas as it is now, empowers police to make arrests and perform unwarranted raids.

If this gets defeated it only makes the opposition more powerful thinking they have the lead in making mj criminal again. We need to move forward, not backward.

Vote yes on tax and regulate, it's good for us as individuals, brings in badly needed revenue to our cities and state and it sends a message to other states that they can do it too.

 

[YouGrowBoy]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

Philip Morris has already got patents on name brands,bought acres of farm land,and has plans in place for processing plants to be built.

Is this just urban legend or do you have some facts to back this up? I think it will be like the wine industry. Sure you have your Gallo's and your Mondavi's, but there are hundreds of local wine makers growing grapes and making a product far superior to the corporate giants. This will be the case with mj as well. Many boutique farmers will do quite will once they grow legally. However, here's another problem.

The bill says "25 sq ft per parcel" When you buy a piece a of property the parcel is the entire plot of land, so even if Phillip Morris has 1000's of acres, how many parcels is that? A parcel is the piece of land as recorded by the county. If you buy a 20 acre piece of land, that's considered 1 parcel, so you can grow 25 sq ft on your 20 acre parcel. I doubt PM and the county they are in will carve 1000's of acres into 25ft parcels. 1 acre is 43,560 sq ft / 25 = 1742 parcels to be deeded and county recorded per acre.

Plus this bill does not effect MMJ so local growers will still be able to grow and provide medicine to their patients. We don's see phillip morris currently growing MMJ.

 

[Lemon Paradise]

Re: With Majorities Supporting CA's Marijuana Legalization Initiative, Victory in Gra

The problem is that ALL paths to legalization will include language that old school smokers will not like as "the man" is now involved. There is no prop that will pass that does not have state or federal fingerprints on it. Tax and regulate will always be part of any mj ballot initiative. People benefiting from the current system will be hurt when passed. Legal dispensary owners are opposed because it will cut into their business as they will have much more competition. Growers are afraid of corporate giants factory farming it. Keeping MJ in the legal gray areas as it is now, empowers police to make arrests and perform unwarranted raids.

If this gets defeated it only makes the opposition more powerful thinking they have the lead in making mj criminal again. We need to move forward, not backward.

Vote yes on tax and regulate, it's good for us as individuals, brings in badly needed revenue to our cities and state and it sends a message to other states that they can do it too.

I would have to agree with you on this. I think the people that are yelling the loudest to vote no, have other interests in mind... like their own pocketbook..

I think most of the negative comments are just urband legend,, or downright disinformation to scare and intimidate..

like saying that a minor would be a fellon for smoking,, the way I read the bill, is that the person who provided the minor would be the felon,,

Is this just urban legend or do you have some facts to back this up? I think it will be like the wine industry. Sure you have your Gallo's and your Mondavi's, but there are hundreds of local wine makers growing grapes and making a product far superior to the corporate giants. This will be the case with mj as well. Many boutique farmers will do quite will once they grow legally

yup.. I agree with you there as well. relating to alcohol, the big guys mass produce swill for you to drink,, but the small micro-breweries have way better product,, just more expensive..

The bill says "25 sq ft per parcel" When you buy a piece a of property the parcel is the entire plot of land, so even if Phillip Morris has 1000's of acres, how many parcels is that? A parcel is the piece of land as recorded by the county. If you buy a 20 acre piece of land, that's considered 1 parcel, so you can grow 25 sq ft on your 20 acre parcel. I doubt PM and the county they are in will carve 1000's of acres into 25ft parcels. 1 acre is 43,560 sq ft / 25 = 1742 parcels to be deeded and county recorded per acre.

yeah, I did not see anything saying a commercial op was ok in that bill...

+reps to you

 

[hydronewbie]

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Many thanks to those who took the time to print the text and offer analysis. New York decriminalized alcohol years before the federal government repealed its prohibition. I predict California will lead the way with decriminalization and the federal government will eventually follow.

The AMA is reviewing its policy on MMJ because of legitimate medical research that indicates cannabis is an effective treatment for the relief of a variety of diseases.

I'm not too surprised that there are self-interested advocates to preserve the status quo laws. If I made a living growing pot I would probably con myself into believing the deluded logic to vote against its decriminalization/regulation in CA as well.

However, federal laws against cannabis' cultivation and possession are draconian and too harsh to support for any reason. That's why I support the proposed CA initiative to decriminalize and regulate.

As a reminder, current federal law classifies MJ as a Schedule 1 narcotic defined as follows:

(1) Schedule I.–

(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision." [9]

Obviously, this is complete bullshit and needs to change. It's ironic that this policy was enacted under president Richard Nixon who abused alcohol while in office and subsequently resigned in disgrace because of Watergate.

The common man will use common sense this November and vote to decriminalize and regulate MJ because it is the right thing to do. Large scale growers will have to make adjustments to legal adults in the free market.

Oh, and I don't have a problem with adults being held criminally accountable for contributing to the delinquency of a minor for giving them pot.

 

[GanjaAL2]

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Just