Afraid of Being Uprooted

Jim Finnel

Fallen Cannabis Warrior & Ex News Moderator
CA: In this region renowned for potent marijuana buds, many in Humboldt County long accepted that legalizing the weed was the right thing to do.

Now some folks aren't so sure.

A statewide initiative in November would allow cities to regulate pot possession and cultivation. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano ( D-San Francisco ) has proposed a broader legalization. Neither is certain to pass.

Yet as medical marijuana has spread and city and state budgets are being slashed, legalized marijuana is becoming more possible than ever. That has some people here thinking twice.

Wholesale prices have dropped in the last five years -- from $4,000 a pound to below $3,000 for the best cannabis -- as medical-marijuana dispensaries have attracted a slew of new growers statewide, Humboldt growers say.

Recently, "Keep Pot Illegal" bumper stickers have been seen on cars around the county. In chat rooms and on blogs, anonymous writers predict that tobacco companies will crush small farmers and take marijuana production to the Central Valley.

With legalization, if residents don't act, "we're going to be ruined," said Anna Hamilton, a radio host on KMUD-FM ( 91.1 ) in southern Humboldt County.

In March, Hamilton organized a community meeting in Garberville addressing the question "What's After Pot?" It attracted more than 150 people, including a county supervisor, economic development consultants and business owners.

All this was unimaginable to the hippies and student radicals who came here in the 1960s and '70s, escaping a conventional world they abhorred. As marijuana's price steadily rose, it funded their escape. In time, mom-and-pop growers became experts.

The plant thrived in the tolerant climate -- cultural and geographic - -- of far Northern California. Small plots got bigger. An Emerald Triangle of premium marijuana growers formed in Humboldt, Trinity and Mendocino counties until, virtually alone, they supported the economies.

Following Hamilton's lead, a meeting will be held in Ukiah, Mendocino's county seat, on April 24 to discuss "The Future of Cannabis in Northern California." Speakers include the director of the Ukiah Chamber of Commerce.

For years the plant was only a small part of the Humboldt economy, as logging and fishing provided most of the jobs.

Today, harvestable redwoods are mostly gone; so, too, the sawmills. Salmon beds are covered with silt. Marijuana stands as a major source of income, even for many whose grandparents worked the sawmills and 40 years ago railed at the pot-smoking hippies moving into their midst.

Humboldt State economists guess that marijuana accounts for between $500 million and $700 million of the county's $3.6 billion economy.

Though growing is widespread, particularly in southern Humboldt County, it remains illegal for those not connected to a medical marijuana collective. Every year growers are arrested and sent to prison. Some live in paranoid isolation, telling their children not to discuss their parents' work. Meanwhile, they've gotten used to selling a weed for thousands of dollars a pound.

Legalization could take many forms. But the conventional wisdom here is that fully legal weed might fetch no more than a few hundred dollars a pound, as more people grow it and police no longer pull up millions of plants a year.

Illegal marijuana "is the government's best agricultural price-support program ever," said Gerald Myers, a retired engineer and former volunteer fire chief who moved to the county in 1970. "If they ever want to help the wheat farmers, make wheat illegal."

On the other hand, increased demand for legal pot might buoy its price.

"If it's regulated like cigarettes, you're going to have a massive increase in demand for it, I would believe," said Erick Eschker, economics professor at Humboldt State. Either way, though, talk of legalization raises a question: Is Humboldt's competitive advantage in growing pot, or in growing pot illegally?

Plantations divert water from streams and rivers. Some growers use huge diesel generators to power greenhouses on mountainsides -- growing indoors in the outdoors. Occasional spills from these generators have devastated streams. Indoor growers, meanwhile, devour electricity. Officials estimate that 800 to 2,000 houses in Arcata are devoted partly or entirely to growing marijuana. Humboldt County is also known for its lax prosecution compared with other counties.

"That advantage, if you will, is going to be gone if it's legal," Eschker said.

Any well-designed legalization ought to ensure that "other people in the community won't have to pick up the tab for an industry cutting corners," said county Supervisor Mark Lovelace. "People would have to learn to turn this into a legit above-board business."

How many could do that is unclear.

At stake, many locals say, is more than a business; it's a way of life. The cannabis economy has spawned numerous nonprofits and community health and arts groups, which depend on growers for sustenance.

"It's morally right that marijuana be legal," said Kym Kemp, a journalist who blogs about life in southern Humboldt County. "But I know why they want to say, 'No, don't let this happen to us,' because we're going to die. It already happened with the logging industry."

But others say legalization would create a more solid, independent economy in the long run for the county, which has a population of 129,000. Instead of depending on one crop, "the community would learn all over again about economic self-sufficiency" that the original hippies moved here to achieve, Myers said.

More houses and agricultural land might again find legal uses, the theory goes, thus making property more affordable. The county might actually be invigorated, said Clif Clendenen, a Humboldt County supervisor and owner of an apple cider business in Fortuna.

"It saps some community energy when you have your best and brightest out in the hills growing and not contributing in the same way they would if they went off to college and came back to teach," he said. "Whenever you have 20-year-olds making six-figure incomes, it's an economic house of cards."

Once legal, marijuana cultivation might well lose its outlaw glamour, to be replaced by the daily grind and smaller profits that farmers all face. Growers would have to keep books, pay taxes and abide by pesticide regulations.

Grocery stores, car dealers, construction-supply outlets and other retailers would have to adjust. So, too, would thousands of residents, many with full-time jobs, who make ends meet by trimming marijuana at harvest season for $25 an hour.

With so few voters, Humboldt is unlikely to influence what happens statewide. "We're better off trying to figure out what the pathway would be to a robust industry cluster with [marijuana] as its product," said Kathy Moxon of the Humboldt Area Foundation, a community nonprofit.

Radio host Hamilton has suggested new school curricula, urging that a community college satellite campus planned for Garberville offer more classes in accounting and business administration. Others have proposed classes in marijuana testing.

Moxon sees an opportunity to take business away from Oakland-based Oaksterdam University, which offers classes in marijuana growing, the science of cannabis, new methods of ingestion, even the weed's history.

"We're the place where people should come to learn to grow," Moxon said. "Who wants to go to Oakland to learn to grow?"

Then there is the Napa Valley model, where vintners thrive by focusing on premium wines, branding and wine tourism. Appellation -- the branding of the Humboldt name like Champagne or Bordeaux -- is a route people here find promising.

But achieving a Napa Valley of marijuana might require the kind of collective action that Humboldt weed growers have found anathema. Remarkably, Hamilton's "What's After Pot?" meeting was the first time the topic was discussed so openly and thus stunned many locals. And no one seems to have investigated how a Humboldt appellation might be acquired.

Still, the idea resonates.

Said Hamilton: "It's appellation or Appalachia."


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I'm trying to stay neutral and not have an opinion, but I understand the argument from both sides. I hate taxes, and regulation. I just don't want to see big business like the Cigarette companies getting into it, and ruining a decent cottage industry of "we the people". But however it all turns out MJ should be reduced from a Class I drug to Class 2 drug, and MJ possession should be the lowest of priorities for LEO.
 
Personally I think growers who want it to remain illegal except for medical use are just being greedy , even if the price was to drop to $200 per lb that would still make it the most expensive agricultural crop in the world when you consider that most other crops sell for $2000 per ton cannabis will fetch almost a half a million per ton. Which I believe is 40 times more expensive then the most expensive wine making grapes which top sales at around $10k per ton so what this all comes down to is small scale growers are afraid of having to deal with companies who can grow a couple hundred acres of top grade pot vs the majority of growers who only have a few thousand square feet to work with.
 
Cannabis should be labeled no higher that it's legal counterpart Marinol! Which is Schedule 3 last I knew.

If the word Legalization isn't in NoBama's vocabulary, since they have said patent #6630507 maybe "Restitution" is? If not it very well maybe once the "Deprivation of Medicine" lawsuits start piling up it will be!
 
Cannabis should be labeled no higher that it's legal counterpart Marinol! Which is Schedule 3 last I knew.

If the word Legalization isn't in NoBama's vocabulary, since they have said patent #6630507 maybe "Restitution" is? If not it very well maybe once the "Deprivation of Medicine" lawsuits start piling up it will be!

There patent may be registered but because there has been no clinical trials and it has not recieved the thumbs up from the FDA its not considered a medication that is available to the public so there can be no lawsuits for deprivation of medicine. It would be like trying to sue a pharmaceutical company that has developed a drug that would shrink tumors or cure cancer but if it has had no testing it is still prohibited from general use. It wouldnt be like a pharmaceutical company not selling a fully tested and approved medication and only making it available to the people they choose.
 
One thing I dont think these growers are taking into account though is although the big companies may be able to grow kick ass weed for cheap I am doubting a large company will be able to put the care it takes into trimming and curing the buds to perfection. So basically what I think will happen is big companies will be growing the low to moderate strength high yielding commercial buds that are decent but nothing to write home about and the long time growers will have small private farms producing the top shelf buds at higher prices. So just like you can buy a bottle of wine anywhere from $18 per bottle - hundred or even thousands of dollars per bottle. So in truth these long time growers will become the producers of the Dom perignon level of cannabis and big time companies will be producing the run of the mill strains.
 
Cannabis should be labeled no higher that it's legal counterpart Marinol! Which is Schedule 3 last I knew.

If the word Legalization isn't in NoBama's vocabulary, since they have said patent #6630507 maybe "Restitution" is? If not it very well maybe once the "Deprivation of Medicine" lawsuits start piling up it will be!

There patent may be registered but because there has been no clinical trials and it has not recieved the thumbs up from the FDA its not considered a medication that is available to the public so there can be no lawsuits for deprivation of medicine. It would be like trying to sue a pharmaceutical company that has developed a drug that would shrink tumors or cure cancer but if it has had no testing it is still prohibited from general use. It wouldnt be like a pharmaceutical company not selling a fully tested and approved medication and only making it available to the people they choose.
 
Having a researched marketable drug and holding it from the public, yes.

Keeping everyone else from researching and making a drug or the raw plant available to market such a drug thru lies and actions (while they secretly develop their Cannabis based Marketable products) will easily be proved to be immoral.

And since the Government was the first ones to document the positive "Cancer" properties of Cannabis-Hemp in the Schafer Report in the 70's. This will be easy to prove they knew of possible Medical Applications ALL along. While Fining, Jailing and destroying many lives and families, while they knew all along of possible positive medical properties.

Simply owning the patent#6630507 and keeping others from researching it while they wait for their Patent Application of the delivery method to be approved is in fact a denial of Medicine!

YES, People not only does the US Health Dept. hold a patent on Cannabis as medicine they are currently awaiting approval of the Patenting of the delivery method for said "Patented Cannabis"!

Yes it is against the law in the US to deny one Medicine. So even if one only has a Recommendation from their doctor it is in fact medicine. The Fact that the Feds hold a patent on Cannabis as a Medicine is Denial, as long as they are keeping just one person from legally attaining such medicine thru Federal Cannabis Prohibition.

So once they do release said product at that time they will no longer be able to lie about the Positive Medicinal Properties of Cannabis-Hemp and at that point of release is when the legal "Denial" cases will start rolling in.
 
One thing I dont think these growers are taking into account though is although the big companies may be able to grow kick ass weed for cheap I am doubting a large company will be able to put the care it takes into trimming and curing the buds to perfection. So basically what I think will happen is big companies will be growing the low to moderate strength high yielding commercial buds that are decent but nothing to write home about and the long time growers will have small private farms producing the top shelf buds at higher prices. So just like you can buy a bottle of wine anywhere from $18 per bottle - hundred or even thousands of dollars per bottle. So in truth these long time growers will become the producers of the Dom perignon level of cannabis and big time companies will be producing the run of the mill strains.

CORRECT:bravo:
 
so farmers want to keep the price high so people of low income households have to suffer?
With legalization comes more customers. Think about all the people who live in California but don't have a rec. Think of all the people who will vacation in California and buy marijuana while they are here.
I think the farmers should think about other people than themselves and their wallets. I don't need dispensaries or farmers from Humboldt cause I grow my own. You should do the same. Humboldt county farmers and dispensaries do not own all the marijuana in the world. Marijuana belongs to the people.
 
so farmers want to keep the price high so people of low income households have to suffer?
With legalization comes more customers. Think about all the people who live in California but don't have a rec. Think of all the people who will vacation in California and buy marijuana while they are here.
I think the farmers should think about other people than themselves and their wallets. I don't need dispensaries or farmers from Humboldt cause I grow my own. You should do the same. Humboldt county farmers and dispensaries do not own all the marijuana in the world. Marijuana belongs to the people.

Well thing is these greedy farmers with there opinion it should be kept illegal are actually voicing the same opinion as the big cartels and gangs and personally if they trully feel its better illegal then they should be going to jail because they are saying keep it illegal so I can keep breaking the law. You see if they feel it should be illegal then they are saying, I will take my chances with going to jail so you go ahead and if you can get me for something then throw me in jail because I want to earn black market prices for my buds and doing this they are inviting trouble on all of us recreational and medicinal cannabis users alike.

I personally want to see it legal and I want to see big companies producing decent buds not super awesome but good for a decent price because If I can purchase a lb of 8-12%thc bud for $250 I would have no problem doing this and then running it all thru a Iceolater and then Bubble bags to make hash I may only get 4-6 oz per lb but the quality will be awesome and it will be legal

Then after the decent bud there will be the long time growers who work in smaller operations and grow the trully masterfull and vintage class buds where the price will be worth $500-1500 per lb because lets face it there are some trully remarkable strains out there that I would still pay $1500 a lb for even if I could get something half the quality for $200 I mean strain that are rare like ATF ,NYCD, Jack Herer Rare phenos, Lambsbread. The growers will have to compete and make more for smaller crops by growing and breeding the rarest sweetest buds around. Why cant they be happy with the fact if they have 10 acres of land they could put greenhouses up on the entire area as they get the money which most have already to put up a few . So they erect greenhouses and begin to grow the best bud around and breed new strains with no fear of reprecussions and they will have bud that is worth far more then corporate grows. Lets face it corporations will want to grow the buds that provide the biggest yields of marketable buds for the cheapest prices so let them have the $200 lb market of average bud and the old timers will grow the DANK!!!!. I know there will still be lots of people who will be willing to pay more for rarer, more exotic, more potent ,more flavour full better cured and organic grows, and these long time growers need to realize that they are not gonna be the ones growing BIg BUd that will be companies like marlboro.
 
I just don't trust the government in getting there hands in the production of cannabis and my fear of them lacing it with some addictive additive.

I love to grow more then I smoke, they can go choke on it :hmmmm:

I am sure there will still be the option to grow your own if you prefer but if you dont want to there will be good decent bud but its gonna be the commercial weed not the DANK. So we can grow our own and the old time growers who have already made lots of money can start building greenhouses on the land they own and just grow wicked Dank there will still be a market for it and if they dont have to fear arrest they could hire people and then monitor everything and run 20 greenhouses no problem. If its legal then making 750 per pound isnt to bad if you can produce a ton legally it would still be worth 1.5mill and if it were legal how easy would it be to grow a ton???
Be honest though if it were legal are there still strains you would pay $1000lb for????
 
Personally I think growers who want it to remain illegal except for medical use are just being greedy , even if the price was to drop to $200 per lb that would still make it the most expensive agricultural crop in the world when you consider that most other crops sell for $2000 per ton cannabis will fetch almost a half a million per ton. Which I believe is 40 times more expensive then the most expensive wine making grapes which top sales at around $10k per ton so what this all comes down to is small scale growers are afraid of having to deal with companies who can grow a couple hundred acres of top grade pot vs the majority of growers who only have a few thousand square feet to work with.

Impossible to produce at $200. per pound.
 
Impossible to produce at $200. per pound.

Well actually I grow my own medicine and my cost ends up to be around $250 to grow close to 2lbs so it is in no way impossible. If you are licenced to grow your own you should know that the price per lb not including the price of initial equipment in my case I spent $1200 to build my Grow room and nursery closet , The grow room is just a 1000w hps/mh light a 450cfm exhaust with carbon filter a 250cfm intake 30 3 gallon pots,circulating fan and ph meter. The nursery consists of a 4 bulb x 43w t12 flourescents for my mothers and 2 150w cfl grow lights in bright wing reflectors and 3 more small circulating fans. With this I am able to supply all of my medicine for a year for a cost of $750, which is the cost of power,water ,nutes and once a year new bulbs , so anyone who is growing hundreds and hundreds of plants would be able to produce it for far cheaper considering I am only growing between 20-25 plants at a time not including my mothers I am licenced to grow up to 50 plants but have not needed to grow that much.
 
It is definetly possible where I live as we are on the two tiered power plan with prices based on time of useage 12 hours a day my power only costs 4.2 cents per KWH and the other 6 hours the price is only 9 cents so for a 1000w light and fans my costs are around $45 a month then costs of nutes using gh flora 3 part with just floralicious plus and liquid koolbloom buying in 2.5 gallon jugs costs for nutes per month work out to about 3-5 so say $55 per month including my cfl veg closet . Total costs to keep you plants growing and it is pretty easy to manage 1g/watt so over an entier year when you factor in water costs because where I live we have to pay for the water we use and the water that goes down the sewer but total for a year is around $750 and I manage about 5 harvests per year using a veg closet with cfl's I am able to take 25-30 cutting a month or so before harvest get them rooted and give them 2-3 weeks veg under 300watts of actuall cfl light not sure what the equivalent wattage they would be but you get the idea when they go into the flower room they are about 8-12" tall with decent branching so when they go to flower I get easily I should say .75oz oz to 1.5 oz per plant conservatively.
 
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