Northern California Tribe Plans Marijuana Farm

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Santa Rosa AP - A tribe in Mendocino County plans to be the first tribe in the state to grow and distribute a large amount of medical marijuana.

The Santa Rosa Press Democrat reported the announcement late last week by the 250-member Pinoleville Pomo Nation. The deal authorizes a Colorado-based investor, United Cannabis, and Kansas-based FoxBarry Farms to grow and distribute products from thousands of marijuana plants at the tribe's rancheria north of Ukiah.

FoxBarry president Barry Brautman says the operation will sell marijuana only for authorized medical users and dispensaries, in line with state law. The business will include a 2.5-acre indoor growing facility, due to be completed in February, the tribe said.

Many expect Californian voters to legalize recreational use of marijuana next year, joining at least four other states.

"The tribes are just getting out ahead of the game," Mendocino County Supervisor Dan Hamburg said.

The U.S. Justice Department said last month that Indian tribes can grow and sell marijuana on their lands as long as they follow the same federal conditions set for states that have legalized the drug. Mendocino County officials say the Pomo pot operation will be exempt from most state and all local regulations, since it is on tribal land.

Mendocino County officials said they were surprised by the tribe's announcement Thursday of the planned marijuana business. Hamburg, the county supervisor, said he was concerned about the size of the operation, and said indoor facilities like the one planned by the tribe have a bigger environmental impact than outdoor marijuana plots do.

"From an ecological perspective, that does not sit well with me," Hamburg said.

United Cannabis and FoxBarry say they plan to launch two more similar operations in California. They have not disclosed the intended locations.

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[Radogast]

They should do greenhouse grows. Long-term, artificial light grows can't compete in Northern California.
P.s. I have no data on that statement, but it seems self-evident.

 

[DJColonelCorn]

What about cross-pollination issues with the community.....?
Also, too bad for them it's gonna be legal soon anyway and their hopes for big riches may fall through.
Interesting that Colorado and Kansas are the ones who will get it all, and are 'investors' in the whole thing.
Kind of shady in a way.
However, we all know the best outdoor comes from Northern California, so that's where they're gonna grow, heh.
Just my person opinion of course. I'm sure other people in other states, like Kentucky for example, can grow wonderful outdoor...but in my experience Norcal tops them all.
Seems they're planning both indoor and outdoor ?
Just some info here, a Colorado dispensary was involved in acquiring material from a local dispensary owner here in Mendocino county, and the dispensary owner here got seriously busted for it. Now if you're native it's okay ? Seems a bit racist..... but that's a whole other matter.
I know, I know, they deserve it. However I thought they were going to grow industrial hemp, not high-grade cannabis.....
Oh well, money talks and the rest walks. I hope someday growing hemp will be viable and profitable enough for the USA to once again have hemp growing on our lands, for all our materials which oil currently produces. I'm talking plastics, paint, clothing, paper.. so many uses, and now, they've discovered hemp makes a great superconductor, better than graphene, amazing...
My hope is that full scale hemp production also makes it's way to the ballots.
Here's hoping !

 

[xtrchessreal]

"From an ecological perspective, that does not sit well with me," Hamburg said.
Really!? What about all the glyphosate California is using and the Industrial sized crops that are killing bees and butterflies not to mention the run off into the oceans that is causing vast dead zones and what help is he giving to Organic only farms that are being sued out of existence for cross pollination from GMO Monsanto crops?
I hope someone in California can give me a lesson if I'm wrong but this guy just sounds like a Dick!



Oops I found that Mendocino was the first county to ban GMO crops but that does not stop farms from using glyphosate. However it does help the Organic farmer immensely and I found a Mendocino Proclamation "Save The Frogs Day" And Hamburg was arrested in 2000 for protesting FOR marijuana - so maybe he is not a Dick - but just sounded like one.

 

[Radogast]

"From an ecological perspective, that does not sit well with me," Hamburg said.
Really!? What about all the glyphosate California is using and the Industrial sized crops that are killing bees and butterflies not to mention the run off into the oceans that is causing vast dead zones and what help is he giving to Organic only farms that are being sued out of existence for cross pollination from GMO Monsanto crops?
I hope someone in California can give me a lesson if I'm wrong but this guy just sounds like a Dick!



Oops I found that Mendocino was the first county to ban GMO crops but that does not stop farms from using glyphosate. However it does help the Organic farmer immensely and I found a Mendocino Proclamation "Save The Frogs Day" And Hamburg was arrested in 2000 for protesting FOR marijuana - so maybe he is not a Dick - but just sounded like one.

I believe he means INDOOR growing is not environmentally responsible when outdoor and greenhouse growing have a much smaller carbon footprint.

 

[Lurch]

More Good News!

 

[xtrchessreal]

I believe he means INDOOR growing is not environmentally responsible when outdoor and greenhouse growing have a much smaller carbon footprint.

Hmmm, I have no data for or against Indoor vs Outdoor being environmentally better or worse. Has there been an article here about that? I will have to do some research. I did see a headline once asking the question "Are home marijuana growers worsening the green house gases?" I huffed at it and went on. I mean CO2 canisters are used but if the calculation of cubic foot is done right and the meter of the CO2 regulator is accurate then most of the CO2 is used by the plant. Of course during the smoking or processing all the CO2 is released back into the air but that is the same for all trees and wood that is used. As the wood degrades it releases all the CO2 back.
Like I said research...

 

[Radogast]

Hmmm, I have no data for or against Indoor vs Outdoor being environmentally better or worse. Has there been an article here about that? I will have to do some research. I did see a headline once asking the question "Are home marijuana growers worsening the green house gases?" I huffed at it and went on. I mean CO2 canisters are used but if the calculation of cubic foot is done right and the meter of the CO2 regulator is accurate then most of the CO2 is used by the plant. Of course during the smoking or processing all the CO2 is released back into the air but that is the same for all trees and wood that is used. As the wood degrades it releases all the CO2 back.
Like I said research...

You are thinking too detailed, ( can't see the bushes for the buds. )

An indoor grow requires, walls, roof, A/C, water pumps, ballasts, light bulbs, hoods.
The INFRASTRUCTURE of growing is inherently more wasteful.

Btw I was raised in California in the 60s and 70s.
We were taught eagerly that Reduce, Reuse, Recycle begins with Reduce.
Chill. Hope I didn't Bogart your buzz.

 

[xtrchessreal]

Not a buzz kill at all. This happens to me all the time. I look into a small portion of the topic and completely forget the big picture. You are obviously right, just constructing a building uses up environmental resources. Can't see the bushes for the buds - good one.

BTW I need to look at your second grow journal. I am in a seed restart to mother situation and added a 400w MH to my 1000w HPS for blooming - when I get to that point. all soil, I am hoping the extra spectrum will give me a longer blooming period with larger buds and less banana bursts.

 

[Radogast]

Not a buzz kill at all. This happens to me all the time. I look into a small portion of the topic and completely forget the big picture. You are obviously right, just constructing a building uses up environmental resources. Can't see the bushes for the buds - good one.

BTW I need to look at your second grow journal. I am in a seed restart to mother situation and added a 400w MH to my 1000w HPS for blooming - when I get to that point. all soil, I am hoping the extra spectrum will give me a longer blooming period with larger buds and less banana bursts.

Please DONT look at my second grow. I have the scrawniest little cannabis clones you have ever seen... clones taken in MAY with 6 leaves. It might break your heart

I think they are finally getting happy, at least the bigger ones under the HPS, but it is a scary bad grow !

 

[hempaz]

There goes the neighborhood ... "All the jive is gone!" ... natives to the rescue ...

The natives will now have a cost advantage and economy of scale unprecedented in the modern age of cannabis accessions.

"Leakage" you say you are worried about?

They have "terror" in the wine business ... and that "terra" is land.

In the form of one-acre appellations.

But, this is gonna be a major, major watershed event.

And, that event is a flood of buds and distilled matter hitting the California market all at once.

This is a good bet ... because of the scale and operating leverage potential.

Sure beats investing in landfills!

But, the cost of dweeb is set to follow the cost of oil straight down into the abyss.

Good news for consumers!

You'll be able to buy a pound of high quality buds for $25 USD.

Not bad considering that used to be the cost of a full ounce of Colombian Santa Marta gold.

Looks like Moore's law is about to take hold of the market for flower buds and wax.

Boom n bust!

The hallmarks of the American economy.

RH

 

[xtrchessreal]

Please DONT look at my second grow. I have the scrawniest little cannabis clones you have ever seen... clones taken in MAY with 6 leaves. It might break your heart

I think they are finally getting happy, at least the bigger ones under the HPS, but it is a scary bad grow !

I left some info in the journal that may help. I've been there too Good Luck

 

[Mayday54]

They have "terror" in the wine business ... and that "terra" is land.


RH

It's actually spelled terrior; which has the definition of the environmental conditions, especially soil and climate, in which grapes are grown and that give a wine its unique flavor and aroma: the high quality of the region's terroir... Also called goût de terroir [goo duh ter-wahr, gooduh ter-war]. The unique flavor and aroma of a wine that is attributed to the growing environment of the grapes.

Mendocino, Humboldt County, and Trinity Counties (AKA the Emerald Triangle) need to address the large illegal grows in National Forests that are doing massive amounts of environmental damage with hazardous chemicals used, trash left, stream water diversion and groundwater contamination, in general just making a huge mess and having dangerous buds. Foreign nationals, who are in to growing without any regard to what is done to the land, are reaping large profits for buds that can be very hazardous product to an individual who has compromised health, under the guise of "medicinal marijuana".

If the tribes do the homework and do not poison the land, air and groundwater; they should have the right to grow on their land as they see fit, but to do so on a reduced scale. Living near reservation lands and seeing the old cars, rundown houses with lots of trash piled around them while the owners are reaping rewards of casino money, not the Pinoleville Pomo Nation though. I am concerned that the scale of the grow is way out of proportion and that companies such as United Cannabis, and FoxBarry Farms that are "investing", will be taking the majority of the money made from the "grow and distribute products from thousands of marijuana plants at the tribe's rancheria north of Ukiah" out of the state while giving the tribe a pittance.

The area around Ukiah has many small farmers already, who are responsible about the environmental concerns and are already growing a good product. Form a co-operative and help out more people. The Pinoleville Pomo Nation should downsize the grow to limit the outside influence and diversion of monies from the tribe to someone who has nothing in mind other than grabbing the cash and running. There are too many people just seeing dollar signs now while the price of medicinal marijuana is high and will do anything to get a piece of the money from the growing and sales of the good Emerald Triangle buds.

When California joins the states that have legalized marijuana for adult use like alcohol, which it will, the tribe could become a leader in the area that has a great potential for many different marijuana related businesses. Treat the legal marijuana grow sites like the wine grape industry does now with vineyards, have bud tours and tastings, build bud and breakfasts to draw people to a destination location which would provide more employment in the long term, rather than trying to grab as much cash before the legalization comes alone, which will be in the next couple of years. Make the entire Emerald Triangle area a destination location for the connoisseur of tasty buds.

Marijuana advocates are aiming to ask voters in the nation's largest state to legalize marijuana for recreational use in 2016. California residents rejected legalization in 2010, with a 54 percent vote against it, but supporters of recreational marijuana are growing more confident about reversing that result in the 2016 election. The current sentiment of growers is to not for the legalization, partially due to the monies that they have enjoyed for the years since medical marijuana was approved.

All that can be hoped for is that the legalization process worked out, and people should not to have a single-minded selfish agenda. If everyone can peacefully get along, the entire region will begin to prosper. That's my two cents worth...

 

[Radogast]

Thoughtful, compassionate comments Mayday.props.

 

[boodybull]

They should do greenhouse grows. Long-term, artificial light grows can't compete in Northern California.
P.s. I have no data on that statement, but it seems self-evident.

Artificial lighting provides the means to exceed the photon output of the very regular output from the sun, Advances in HPS (400v-Gravita/Phillips) and LED lighting means a full spectrum can be provided as well, meaning the cannabinoid, terpene and flavonoid components are as good or even better than the Sun provides with its light. There is a limit in how much light is useful to plants before it has no more effect and it is a lot more than what the sun provides.

Also the other benefits of indoor growing is to be able to control the light hours, provide co2 to increase production/decrease cooling costs. I am sure in Northern Cali (I'm an Australian) their would be a more even spread of light hours (around 12 on / 12 off) all year round, more tropical than sub-tropical, which sub-tropical is more ideal, at least for this grower. This means the plants are more likely to flower when they are not wanted to, at a less than ideal time being shorter and less yielding albeit a faster vegetative/flower cycle. However, vegetating indoors and flowering outdoors would somewhat increase production markedly, producing enormous plants (therefore enormous buds!) under the right conditions... I'd recommend our American Indian brothers and sisters give it go!

Indoor grows will always be competitive while the cost of the energy used is easily covered by the high sale price of cannabis, its just supply and demand that keeps cost high at the moment. Quality control, temperature control, humidity control, pest control, mould and other reasons are why indoor is more attractive. A torrential downpour that lasts several days in the warm weather of the flowering season can easily destroy an entire outdoor cannabis crop, costing a fortune in lost investment not to mention the sheer disappointment. Greenhouses face the same issues as outdoor unless its has air quality control (humidity and clean air) and pest prevention and likely a lot else that would mean it should be totally indoor anyway.

Surprised myself with what I have learned, not even that experienced yet!

Legalize it, Don't criticize It!

 

[Radogast]

Artificial lighting provides the means to exceed the photon output of the very regular output from the sun, Advances in HPS (400v-Gravita/Phillips) and LED lighting means a full spectrum can be provided as well, meaning the cannabinoid, terpene and flavonoid components are as good or even better than the Sun provides with its light. There is a limit in how much light is useful to plants before it has no more effect and it is a lot more than what the sun provides.

Also the other benefits of indoor growing is to be able to control the light hours, provide co2 to increase production/decrease cooling costs. I am sure in Northern Cali (I'm an Australian) their would be a more even spread of light hours (around 12 on / 12 off) all year round, more tropical than sub-tropical, which sub-tropical is more ideal, at least for this grower. This means the plants are more likely to flower when they are not wanted to, at a less than ideal time being shorter and less yielding albeit a faster vegetative/flower cycle. However, vegetating indoors and flowering outdoors would somewhat increase production markedly, producing enormous plants (therefore enormous buds!) under the right conditions... I'd recommend our American Indian brothers and sisters give it go!

Indoor grows will always be competitive while the cost of the energy used is easily covered by the high sale price of cannabis, its just supply and demand that keeps cost high at the moment. Quality control, temperature control, humidity control, pest control, mould and other reasons are why indoor is more attractive. A torrential downpour that lasts several days in the warm weather of the flowering season can easily destroy an entire outdoor cannabis crop, costing a fortune in lost investment not to mention the sheer disappointment. Greenhouses face the same issues as outdoor unless its has air quality control (humidity and clean air) and pest prevention and likely a lot else that would mean it should be totally indoor anyway.

Surprised myself with what I have learned, not even that experienced yet!

Legalize it, Don't criticize It!

I agree with what you said. The difference is that I expect a few states with low taxes to be selling at $1 per gram by 2020.
You can't grow indoor for $1 per gram.