Darkscotia doc bud help journal summary

Doc Bud;3739283 said:
Posting pics first, editing later.

more in a bit

Doc Bud;3739290 said:
Fill the pots full of High Brix soil. Soak them thoroughly, drain this way and that....add more soil back in and moisten that....make the divet, plant the seed.

Doc Bud;3739475 said:

Doc Bud;3739483 said:
Finishing up here:

After the pots were dunked and drained, topped off with more soil which was moistened, I used a pen and made a hole about 1/4 inch deep. Sprinkled a small amount of Roots! in and around the hole, and placed the seeds using chopsticks, as I find the little devils stick to my fingers.

After placing each seed, I carefully pinch the small hole close and place the containers over on the heat mat. You only want to raise the soil a degree or two....1 hour on 3 hours off is about right.

Doc Bud;3740039 said:
Old seeds can soak up to 24 hours, but these are newish...so no need to soak. You don't want them to crack in water....no planting tails or anything like that. We want them to germinate in dirt, not water.

Start them out right and they can sprint.

Darkscotia;3741069 said:
So got all the passion 1 seeds into hb soil. I filled up 1 gallon pots with 2nd run hb soil and dunked in my buckets and soaked soil nice and good. Then tilted pots this back and forth till water stopped dripping, then topped all pots off with more hb soil and throughly moistened.
Made divot in middle of soil about 1/4 inch deep and sprinkled roots in and around hole. Then place seed into and closed of area above seed.
Then put all pots into tent under ps cob with only 1 switch running and placed heat may user pots for 1 hour on and 3 off.

Buckshot317;3744538 said:
I wet a paper towel, then squeeze it over the seeds. It's pretty gentle, worked for years

Darkscotia;3747582 said:
What everything looks like before lights out. If these don't pop will be my first strike out in my career.

Doc Bud;3747765 said:
Be patient, they'll come up. We wants roots, not foliage.....the tap root will be properly anchored, colonized and 4 to inches long before they break ground.

Be patient. Fast isn't always best.

Doc Bud;3752413 said:
Got a text from the guy who is filling in while I'm away: one is up. The others will be along shortly.

Darkscotia;3754095 said:
So got home this morning to find 2of 3 girls have poked there heads out of soil.
Patience pays off I guess.

Doc Bud;3754348 said:
So while that pot dries out and the roots grow, dribble about 1/4 cup water on top, but not right at the base of the seedling.

Give it about a 3 inch dry circle around the stem.

The tap root is close to the bottom of the pot now. We can encourage lateral branching of the roots by keeping just a bit of moisture in the upper region of the soil.

Play close attention to the next few weeks and how and when we water.

Doc Bud;3755345 said:
Plain water was all that was used during and since germination. I dunk and drain the pot PRIOR TO planting the seed. It leeches out a bit of nitrogen and of course wets the down well.

I started doing this after a few people reported their seeds being digested before they could germinate. It's important to start the seeds in HB soil in order to have everything work right the entire time, and not miss a week trying to re-colonize the roots, etc.

Darkscotia;3755641 said:
And we have a 3rd little girl. She poked out sometime between yesterday morning and this morning. So all 3 are out and above soil. Now let’s build this root ball.

Doc Bud;3755706 said:
OK....now we're starting off on the right foot! The roots are much bigger than the foliage now....and we want to not only keep it that way, we want to emphasize roots.

Now is the boring, long wait between watering and drenches at this stage. Pay attention to the weight of the pot and as it dries out, put just a bit of water down the top so the roots start branching in all directions. About 1/4 cup is all you need.

The wet/dry cycle will encourage massive roots, short internodes, thick, strong stems and a good leaf/calyx ratio.

Hopefully, mine came up too! I haven't seen them in a week.

Doc Bud;3756238 said:
Just visited my garden.

Two of four up.

I did not soak these seeds prior to putting them into dirt, so I'll allow another 3 days before I replant with two more seeds, in order to get 4.

Some seeds come up really fast, others take longer. These have taken quite a while....but they're up and healthy and will grow strong.

Doc Bud;3757425 said:
I was a bit worried too.....LOL. But this is how I always germinate seeds so I knew they'd arrive in time....which they did.

When the seed starts its life in mineralized, living soil, and gravitropism allows the tap root to orient itself properly we've got our best chance for healthy plants. Each step builds on the other.

So, at this point, I"m weighing the pots, moistening the top every couple days and waiting till they need a drink.

Bright light is very important at this time, so make sure they're really getting a good exposure....not enough to bleach them of course....but strong, bright light.

With a T5 I like the bulbs about 5 inches away from the starts. With LED's pretend you're vegging/blooming large plants and give them that amount of light.

We're going to see short, fat, strong stems. Tight internodes and a high calyx to leaf ratio. In other words, sexy cannabis.

Doc Bud;3761566 said:
4 out of 6 not come up? That's got to do with seeds more than soil.

What I'm showing here is what I do. 100% germination is normal, 50% or less is the seed.

Keep in mind that the strongest survive too.

But if you just can't afford to not lose a single seed you could try the rapid rooted plugs, in soil.

On this journal I'm showing what I do, and where my plants start, etc.

It might not be the best way, it sure isn't the only way....but it works well for me.

Doc Bud;3762480 said:
I've not done this, but it would work for those who are really worried:

Fill the top of the pot with 2 inches of naked Promix. You'll get the best of both worlds. Shoot, this might be a BETTER way now that I think about it.......

As with everything, individual mileage may vary.

Darkscotia;3762669 said:
So friggen slow. How yours looking doc?

Doc Bud;3762671 said:
Just like yours bro! Same same.

What I'm doing right now is watching and maybe tomorrow I'll dribble a bit of water down the top...not much...just enough to stimulate some roots seeking it out. They're going to town below the surface right now....prolly 6-8 inches long with a branch or two.

Be patient! You've got it all dialed in. This is the boring part of the grow, but there are some important steps and goals to accomplish.

Doc Bud;3763795 said:
Here's where mine are today. I'm soaking the rest of the seeds to get two more up. These two look just fine.

I could tell the pot was lighter today and the top was dry, so I slowly dripped about 4 ounces of water on the perimeter of the soil.

This will encourage roots to seek moisture laterally, as well as down, giving us the framework for a nice rootball.

Darkscotia;3764679 said:
So all girls got a small watering this morning keeping a 2-3 inch dry circle around main stems.

Doc how much longer do we feed this way before giving pots a good drench again?

Doc Bud;3767060 said:
Nothing new today.

Darkscotia;3767400 said:
Same here doc. Seems at least we’re on same pace as of right now. Gave small watering right after
Taking picture. Keep a 2-3inch circle around stem when watering

Doc Bud;3770646 said:
Nothing to report here.

I haven't done anything to them since the last posting. They're growing properly.

I expect another two seeds to come up any day now. I chose the four biggest, most speckled seeds of the lot. 2 didn't come up, so the next two were not quite as "nice" as them. Still, I'm expecting them to germ.

Doc Bud;3770892 said:
Yep, go ahead and give it a bit down the top, just a small amount. The thinking behind this is precisely what you noticed: the pot still has some weight....which we know is moisture.

We don't want the top bone dry and the bottom moist, we'd like to have them dry out simultaneously if possible. There's no need for moisture meters or anything like that---although that would be kinda fun. I don't have time for it right now.....

But doing what we're doing and estimating it will improve things very nicely.

Remember also that our goal at this point is not to grow leaves, but roots. The plant is going to respond to a long interval between rains by growing shorter, with a thick main stem and lots of roots.....traits that are good for indoor growers and at the same time help the plant grow better buds.

So, don't stress on the visible part of the seedling so much.....we're interested mainly in what's happening below. Patience and boredom are the norm at this stage.

Darkscotia;3771401 said:
So with a quick recap of last few weeks hopefully this actually works this time.

So to sum it all up into one.

1.we filled pots with cooked hb soil
2. Drenched pots in straight water in buckets
3. Topped pots off with cooked hb soil and moistened.
4. Made a divot into soil about 1/4 inch deep and sprinkled roots in and around hole and then carefully
placed seed into divots and pinched off soil closing in seed.
5. Then place under lights and played the waiting game. With every once and awhile dripping water were seeds where placed to ensure they stayed damp( I used paper towel damp and rang out above seeds trick provided by buckshot I think if wrong sorry when I get chance to go back I may have to correct myself lol)
6. Once seeds came up when top soil got dry and pots felt lighter dribbled 1/4 cup of straight water down tops of pots while trying to keep a 2-3 inch dry circle around main stem to enhance root side growth.

Doc Bud;3772164 said:
Since this us such a boring part of the journal, I thought I'd post some pics of what roots look like after harvest,but everything goes right.

The things I'm showing here will result in roots like that. You all have seen the buds, but you need roots to get those kind of buds, especially in living soil.

Darkscotia;3772914 said:
Doc I think you should post a picture of the root ball we’re pushing for before we up pot. Gives us a goal to reach lol

Doc Bud;3773145 said:
There are videos on the website, as well as what scoring looks like.

Notice the strong stem.

Doc Bud;3775162 said:
Another one up. If the fourth comes up well be 4 for 6. Not great, but not bad. These are the slowest seeds I've had in quite a while, but they're showing vigor once they germ.

Darkscotia;3776388 said:
Not sure how I did it but I did. My wife was right by saying they weren’t looking right. On 2 plants the single blade leafs are showing signs of being burnted on edges. You can see on one I’ve crumbled damage part of leaf off. I’m not too concerned as I know they’ll come back around. I’ve used bottled water until this point to water around edges. I’m going to start using my actual water instead of bottled.
All got alittle water sprinkled around edges and there really starting to fell light.
Rh in room as stayed steady around 55-58 and rooms temps staying between 20 lights off and 25-27 lights on.and when I check bottom of root zone in pots are are typically sitting around 20-22c.

Doc Bud;3776497 said:
I don't see a problem there! Seriously, they look just fine. The lower leaves will do that occassionally, but the new growth is turgid and looks great.

Are the pots getting light? If you're worried, a weak Transplant drench can be done at this point. Mix it on the low side.

Darkscotia;3776520 said:
Pots are getting alot lighter but bottom soil still a bit damper then I’d like. Most times I’ve grown I’ve been able to keep those leaves nice and green until I trimmed them off. So when I arrived home to see the browning I shit and though here we go again.i also spent 2 days in the woods in a small camp with next to no sleep lol.
Good to hear though thanks doc. If your not worried then I’m not either now lol. I’ll continue to sprinkle water around edges till time is right. Or you say otherwise.

Doc Bud;3776530 said:
As I've said before....it's not leaves we're after right now, but roots.

Go ahead and give them a half cup of Transplant down the top and then wait for them to dry out before dunking. The reason I'm saying this is to make CERTAIN the soil and roots are communicating and to make sure you don't stress!

Right now, the little plant it putting all of its energy into those roots, desperate to find moisture. If it digests a lower leaf or two in the process....no problem! They'll be plenty more leaves before we're done, and those single blader, early leaves aren't going to be needed or wanted.

Roots....not leaves. Soil.....not plant. We're going to let the soil do the work this time.

Darkscotia;3776532 said:
And just to ask what would you consider to be a light transplant drench. Using about 3 gallons of water to drench in.
Without you I’d probably go with about 8ml tp-2.5 ml tea

Doc Bud;3776547 said:
Since I'd put it down the top, about half a cup each plant, how about mix up a half gallon and add that 8mil? You can use the rest on your other plants, etc.

Again, I'm not worried, but this action will put your psyche right, and I do believe the plants appreciate that somehow. "appreciate" might not be the right word, but they do respond to our electric energy somehow.

Doc Bud;3776899 said:
Yep. Only giving 1/2 cup per plant. Its not a legit watering, let alone a drench.

Also, keep in mind that we .ca use up to 1 ounce per gallon or 1 cup per gallon safely. Those are the Rescue and Super Drenches.

Also the directions say erring on the high side is better than the low side. Drenches can be tripled with no ill effects. Foliars are where you can cause problems.

Doc Bud;3778879 said:
Here's where mine are at today:

As you can see, one of the replacement seeds has broken ground. As mentioned before, I simply sowed it right in to the same container as the other non-start....and it came right up. The other replacement still hasn't broken ground. So, we're 3 for 6 on germinating these seeds.

I did absolutely nothing to them today. No watering or anything. They're just doing their thing, growing roots, etc.

Darkscotia;3778959 said:
When my lights came on I had 2of3 of my new blue cheese pop as well. That was only 4 days since putting in soil and no pre water soak as well. And also didn’t use the heat mat.

And on another note I finally got invoice for my new light and light is on its way. So these girls 2of the best passions and 2 of the best blue cheese will get the pleasure of growing under the bm god 9. It will be like a early Xmas present to them.

Doc Bud;3778971 said:
Excellent!

So, hopefully the unfounded rumors that say that it's best to start seeds in non-high brix soil can be put to rest.

Darkscotia;3779997 said:
So gave the 3 passion girls all 1/2 cup of transplant down the top of pots.
And then used rest to water my other girls.

And holy friggen big bottles. Sorry doc don’t think I’ll be needing to order tp or GE anytime soon lol.

Almost didn’t fit in my storage stand.

Doc Bud;3781879 said:
So, still nothing showing from seed #4. But here are the other three. No action taken today.

Darkscotia;3783022 said:
Girls are just chugging along. Growth not all to much but as doc says all the magic is happening in the soil right now.
2of3 seeds have popped and the other probably isn’t going to pop. These were older seeds and didn’t get any water soak before putting into soil. But regardless the 2 are doing just fine. Haven’t had to sprinkle any water on soil as of yet.
The 3 passions got 1/2 cup of transplant down top like 2 days ago and top soil is starting to dry up again. Very bottom soil still a bit damp though. Pots still have a bit of weight because of it.
Some pics

Doc Bud;3783306 said:
HOw is the weight of the pot now? Close to needing a drench?

We don't actually want them to wilt...but want to get them right before they wilt. Mine weren't ready for a drench yesterday.

Darkscotia;3783375 said:
Pots still got alittle weight to them,top soil drying every 2nd day but bottom is still damp. Probably another day or two.

Doc Bud;3784944 said:
I'd say it's time for a first drench! You could do straight water and it would be fine....but I'm going to suggest a Transplant drench. 1 oz per gallon, with 3mil Tea. There is a video on the website and on IG if you want to watch how I do it.

Doc Bud;3785222 said:
You've got it right, but I wasn't perfectly clear:

1 oz of Transplant per gallon of water.......3mils Tea total.

Again, you've got it right and I'm just repeating this for clarification. Nothing but water on the next one.

Could you do straight water this time? Yes....but by the looks of things they're going to be really happy this way.

Watch what happens in the next 10 days....

Doc Bud;3786653 said:
Hi DT,

He's dunking, so right there we double it. As I explained above, normally I'd go with straight water, but I'm making a judgement call based on the way his plants look. I'll post pics of mine in a minute.....I'm going to give straight water with 1/4 trans but they're not ready for drench yet.

Think of it like a mini-rescue drench. While I don't see any problems per se......I'm dedicated to making sure he knocks this out of the park, so I'm showing a few tips and tricks here and there.

Doc Bud;3786673 said:

Darkscotia;3789491 said:
So the 3 passions all got there first transplant drench. Mixed at docs recommended dosage of 1oz transplant per gallon of water and 3ml of tea. 2of 3 girls got a lighter green colour and the other has a dark green colour. The one with the darker green leaves appears to be growing the best with nice colour and bigger leaves and still no damage to lower leaves as of yet.
Some picture out of the tent before transplant.

And some of the new blue cheese babies still in tent. Will probably have to start dribbling water around blue cheese soon as top soil starting to dry up.

Doc Bud;3790564 said:
UPdate: No action taken today. I think they get dunked tomorrow. Plain water on the two big ones....nothing on the small one.

This is two hours after lights off and a bit colder than I'd like....but they're quite perky usually.

Darkscotia;3792758 said:
So all the passions looking good after there first transplant drench dunking. 2 with pale colour seem to be coming back around getting darker colour.
Both blue cheese got dribble around plant as I did with first 3 passion and will continue to until pots get dry then will feed accordingly at that point.
Turned light on full power to see what happens. I figure worse case it will burn the amnesia lemon first which at this point could care a less about I’ll use them as test purposes lol. Should be good got light sitting at least 6.5 feet above passion and blue cheese and 5 feet about my others.

Doc Bud;3794103 said:
Pure water dunk today.

Doc Bud;3794439 said:
I'm gonna do my best! The reason I went with straight water---which is the usual practice---is because there is good turgor, good growth, lite green petioles and 7 bladed leaves on the second set. In other words, the plant is purring....

If I had some leaf digestion, 3 bladed leaves, purple petioles or poor turgor, I might have opted for another drench, as in Scotia's case, where we went for Transplant, just to make sure the roots don't feel neglected.

Darkscotia;3794605 said:
So far girls looking good after transplant drench and only a day has passed. The 2 pale ones are getting there colour back as well. And I think all plants are liking there new lights so far as well.

Doc Bud;3797736 said:
No action taken today.....but I do have some observations:

9bladed leaves on the 2nd set!! This is a very happy and vigorous hybrid.

2 phenos from 2 seeds......cross isn't stable yet, which is no problem, but something to be aware of.

Darkscotia;3799956 said:
All this talk about electrical and lights figured was time for a update. Will be doing a progress report in next day or 2 as well. Passion looking good. Have have regained colour and starting to take off.

Then the 2 blue cheese. Dont think 3rd seed will pop but oh well only needed 2 anyway and obviously got the strongest anyway. Still sprinkling water around outside edges as of yet. But looking good.

Doc Bud;3801936 said:
Recovering after an 18 hour day. No action taken today, just looking at their ways. These plants want topped, I think

Darkscotia;3802285 said:
So my girls are all looking very nice. Good call on that last tp for me it really brought them around with nice colour.

So all my passion pots are starting to get light in weight probably only another day or 2 before needing another feeding. What would you recommend on this one?

Doc Bud;3802325 said:
Transplant drench. No doubt about it!

You're looking good there!

Darkscotia;3802345 said:
Another transplant drench. Just making sure you remember that the last feeding was a transplant drench @ 1oz tp per gallon of water with 3ml tea.
Not doubting you just reminding just in case you forgot lol. I know your a busy man.
And if still a transplant drench at what dosage would you recommend at.

Doc Bud;3802378 said:
LOL. I thought you were asking about the little ones.

If last feeding was Trans....next time just a light watering. Then GE next. Sorry about that.

Darkscotia;3802397 said:
Yup I guess the way I laid out the update sort of looks like I was asking that. But thanks for that as that’s what they’ll get that next time there light.
But no my passions are just about ready for there 2nd feeding. So would you water from top or dunk pots in the water? Thanks in advance

Doc Bud;3802413 said:
Water from the top as you're dunking....watch the video on my website.....bottom of the page: veg watering tech

Doc Bud;3803405 said:
Dunk 'em and drain 'em. You could add 1/4 trans if you wish....I would.

Doc Bud;3804860 said:
Today they got their first drench. The other veg plants were on schedule for GE, and these are obviously doing well, so since there was no need to jumpstart the roots, they got the same treatment as everyone else.

2oz. GE plus 5 mils
Tea in 5 gallons of water.

Put that into 2 buckets and dunk two at a time.

Please note the sleepy one. Bone dry and right after 18 hours of light.....normal behavior. She will perk up just fine before lights on.

Darkscotia;3805156 said:
So the girls have all just about sprung back up already before light on. Picture was taken 1st minute light came on.The worst droopy one before feeding is still slacking a bit. All still have nice shade of green and looking very happy.
As stated earlier the 3 passion all got there 2nd dunk. Mixed at 1/4oz per 3gallons of water(hope that’s not to strong).

Sorry about purple. Will take some normal light pics tomorrow was in a rush tonight.

Darkscotia;3805871 said:
Some pictures under normal light. Keep in mind all my pictures are taken with cell phone. I have a Nikon d7200 not sure why I don’t use it. Anyhow some pictures of all girls. 3bigger ones are the passions and the 2 babies are the blue cheese. My 3rd blue cheese never popped out of soil. Both blue cheese shows signs on single blade leafs of discolouration but not worried as 2of3 passion did same thing and they are all just fine. Soil needs to wake up so the tp should help with that.
I’m loving the colour the 3 passions have gotten after docs recommended transplant drench
So far the passion have gotten a transplant drench(dunked) and a 1/4oz transplant to straight water dunk as well. Next feeding going with a GE drench(dunk)unless told otherwise.

The blue cheese has gotten just straight water 2inchs or so from stem whenever top soil dries out. Will get transplant drench(dunk) when pots feels a bit lighter probably another 2 days or so.

The blue cheese

Darkscotia;3807742 said:
Quick question doc. My blue cheese are just about ready for first drench I think. They have nice colour but single blade leafs shows signs of discolouration and rusted look on both blue cheese . Other leaves so far all good and healthy.
What dose should you recommend feeding at. I’ll be mixing about 2.5gallons of water to dunk in. Was thinking of doing 1/4 transplant to straight water dunk but with single blades showing problem though I may need to bump that up some. Thanks in advance

Gave me other amnesia lemon girls to my buddy last night and now my tent looks so empty.

Doc Bud;3807893 said:
Go ahead and give them a Transplant drench. They look good, but it will put your mind at ease and won't hurt.

If you're mixing 2.5 gallons you'll have quite a bit left over, yes? If it was me, I'd put one ounce (1 oz) in that bucket, with 5 mils of Tea. It's a strong drench, but it won't hurt and the roots will definitely be happy after that. Pure water with 1/4 trans on the next one for sure.

Please note, this is a heavy drench. Heavier than normal, but the pattern in your garden is that the plants don't completely engage the soil without a bit of coaxing, so that's why I made that decision.

Questions?

Doc Bud;3808215 said:
You're not doing anything at all wrong with mixing/cooking. We're not going to look there for problems, you're more careful than I am!

Tea is fine at 2-3 mils per 5 gallon bucket....especially if all of that is going to find its way into soil. But with dunking, much of it is left behind, so we add more.

Also, you'll notice that Tea is greatly increased with Rescue and Super drenches. Once we get into bloom, and are using saucers you'll see the amounts decrease, especially if we aren't doing root remediation.

I don't think you're doing anything at all wrong....and your plants all look very nice! We're trying for perfection----which I love----and at the same time we're trying to teach the thought process behind it all.

When things are going great----and you're nearly there----the numbers for this next feeding would be different.

One thing I love about High Brix is how we all fret over one leaf......pretty cool if you ask me. Our problems are quite small, compared to other methods.

Hopefully, by now you're starting to understand how the products work in veg and what they do. Things will get more interesting very soon! We're almost ready to start foliar feeding!

Doc Bud;3808270 said:
It's a great question. I've revised and re-revised the directions several times......each time with the intent of making things more clear because someone has said they're confused....while others insist they were never confused! Some veterans still think the very first set of directions is fine and they follow them!

I always water 6 or more plants at a time, so I still use oz-per-sq ft calculations. I also don't measure things....I just pour from a gallon jug into a bucket.

In your case, when watering 3 vegging plants, assuming everything is going well, the numbers you give are just fine! As for the Tea....don't get too worried between .6 mils and 1 or 2 mils. Just make it easy on yourself and use 1 or 2 mils. It doesn't have to be exact.

Again, underfeeding is more problematic than overfeeding....if they look like they're stalled or starving, increase feeding starting with Transplant.

I'm going to re-print the labels to say ".5 to 3 mils of drench per gallon of soil." Double for dunking. But since I have thousands of labels, it will be a while before we see them. I'll figure out a way to explain this....

Again, underfeeding and loss of soil energy is more problematic than overfeeding......from the directions:

I'm convinced that no directions can replace a gardener's intuition. We've got to start somewhere and the directions are definitely the place to start, but at some point each of us needs to feel confident to increase, decrease or otherwise change something based on their local conditions.

when it comes down to it, I'm basically following directions even with my pouring/plopping technique. what we're seeing on this thread is a lot of troubleshooting....much of akin to taking an a 3.9 GPA student to a 4.0.

If everything is going well, stick to the directions. If things seem anemic....increase drenches, starting with Transplant.

That's basically what a Super Drench is, afterall.

Doc Bud;3808537 said:
We talked about this quite a bit early on in this thread. Dribble maybe 1/4 to 1/2 cup of water on the top so that the top and bottom of the container dry out at the same time.....if possible. This will encourage roots to grow everywhere, as you see in DS's pic.

Here's where mine are at today:

I'm happy with how these look. No action taken today, but I'll probably be mixing up some Brix spray tomorrow, maybe tonite. They're ready!

Darkscotia;3808666 said:
On my healthiest looking passion girls. She’s has been nice and green the hole time even the single blade leafs are still green(maybe even to dark) has all a sudden really starting to look like a Venus fly trap.It’s top 4 fan leafs are all doing it.Anyone have any ideas?

Maybe light too strong or maybe need more light. I have light on full power but have girls sitting around outter edges of tent. All still have nice colour and only I affected which leans me away from light idea.

Doc Bud;3808742 said:
Excess light is my best guess. It should straighten right out. Every now and then I see something like this under the LED's. give it a few days.

Darkscotia;3810430 said:
All girls were getting very light tonight and starting droop. So all passions got there 3rd dunk tonight. I put 30ml GE to 3ml tea into 3 gallons of water and dunked all. These girls have taken off after initial transplant drench. Also I chopped first 3 sets of nodes off tonight to make it easier to put cup of water in while dunking

And the blue cheese will get first dunk tomorrow.

Doc Bud;3810546 said:
Mine got GE today. 1.5oz in 5 gallons of water with 6mils of Tea.

Dunked a tray of large plants and our 2 in that. The third one wasn't ready.

Pics tomorrow....one is probably male.

Darkscotia;3814431 said:
All passion got another transplant drench dunk tonight. Mixed at 45ml transplant 5ml tea to 4gallons of water. All looking good few got some burn marks but that’s from leafs getting a bit wet while dunking. I try to dry them off before putting back into room.
Some pics. I’d imagine I’m close to girls getting first brix spraying eh doc?

Doc Bud;3814979 said:
Remember, when we dunk, most of the product is left behind in the bucket so each plant isn't getting anywhere near as much as it seems......and yes, 1oz per gallon of water for the Rescue Drench.

The problem is that we've got some growers who grow one single plant and understandably wish to conserve the products, using just enough each time........and on the other end, there's me who has hundreds of gallons of each product laying about the place, and I usually feed 10 or more at a time. A single 5 gallon bucket can dunk about 12 plants quite easily.

So, here's what I'm trying to reconcile and figure out SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT:

If I'm feeding 20 plants, I'll mix up 5 gallons of water and an ounce an a half of Transplant with 5 or so mils of Tea, put half in each of two buckets and dunk 'em two at a time. It would work the same if I dunked one, single plant in that 5 gallon bucket, it would just be very wasteful.

If I was going to do just a single plant----which I never do cuz I've got more than one at all times....I'd find a bucket with different dimensions so I can use less water and have less waste.....but the ratio of product needs to be the same. That's why we went with the Mils/gallon of soil thing. It seemed it was working out that way for most folks we talked to.

But do you see the problem here? putting 45 mils in a 5 gallon bucket is how I would do it. But someone else might only want 3 or 4 mils of drench to feed a single plant. Obviously, if they put that amount in 5 gallons it would quite different.

When we first started, I let everyone do their own math. So when I said 1 oz per 30 square feet (which is how it would work in a raised be outside and also how it works for 6 large plants occupying a 4x8 tray) I just left it at that and people figured out on their own how to adjust it for larger or smaller sizes.

That approach has drawbacks.

The "add exactly this much" approach also has major drawbacks.....so I'm desperately trying to thread the needle between the two so folks don't have to think so much and can just follow a formula.

But all along, I've always said that the drenches can be mixed MUCH STRONGER without ill effect and that feeding on the high side is better than on the low side and most importantly that people need to become familiar with the products and how they work so as so just "know" how much to use based on experience.....which is what I do and most of the people who actually use my gear better than me also do.

So, for a single, one gallon pot: if I was doing a normal feeding I'd find a bucket that the one gallon pot could be submerged in....fill that bucket with a gallon of water and 2 to 3 mils of the drench and 3 to 5 mils of Tea and let the soil wick up as much as possible, then drain.

This comes very close to the directions on each bottle....but you can't add the same amount to 5 gallons of water and get the concentration the same in the soil.

Does this make sense? Some folks can easily convert numbers and amounts......others are not so adept and natural this way. It's not easy trying to get each type of grower to understand all of this.

That's what this journal is for! Everyone can see in real time what I actually do and while there might be confusion, at least we know the answer! It's a matter of correcting the math.

The easiest thing for people who simply can't get it would be to top water only. Then, the instructions on the bottles would work great.

Doc Bud;3815263 said:
They needed water today! Hooked up and thriving.

Doc Bud;3816806 said:
Update:

The smallest of the three needed its first drench today. Growth Energy. Full Strength. I just dunked it rotation with other vegging plants.

11 bladed leaves on the largest one. I worried its a male, but if not WOW! This Black Cherry Float really likes HB soil.

I'm going to get out the magnifying glass and look for lady bits on the plants daily now. The next time I brix the bloom room, I'll give these a foliar feed. Things are going very well.

Darkscotia;3817610 said:
All passion got there first brix spraying last night mixed up 350 ml water with 10 ml brix. Then this morning all girls got dunked in 5 gallons of water with 1/4 oz tp. These are feeding about every 3 days as of last 3 feedings.
Some pictures right before dunking

Will post some normal light pictures tonight or tomorrow

Doc Bud;3817634 said:
OK! Well done so far.

At this stage, I like to wait to see preflowers before doing any topping or training.

Also, it's time to do 2 drenches in a row with water in between. This will mitigate the leeching action of a straight water dunk. The water is still needed, but they need the calcium in the drenches more.

So, from here on out adjust your veg routine to: drench, drench, RO, drench, drench, RO.

So far, so good! They look really healthy.

Doc Bud;3817659 said:
Yes, continue to alternate drenches....just with less watering. You've got it.

Those are healthy, happy plants. Don't be afraid to feed the soil....the plants are asking for it.

When we get to the point where they need daily watering/drenching, we'll do 3 drenches then water. That usually only lasts for a week for me.

They'd be fine with the usual alternating drenches....possible Rescue....etc. But this is one of the "tips" I'm happy to communicate.

As you become more familiar with things, you'll use your intuition to make up your own schedules....and they'll be pretty much what we're doing here with minor differences.

When mixing things to get ready for a drench, pay attention to the physics of putting the drench into the bucket....how much noise does the "plop" make? How long a plume does Tea leave in the clear water? What is the color of the final mix? Just pay attention, try to engage all your senses.....your brain will catalog all this and soon pattern recognition will take over.

Pay attention to the leaves, the top of the soil, the stem color, petiole color, turgor....all of that. Touch the leaves....they should be flexible, velvety....not hard or brittle. Start to take it all in, just carefully observe....no need to take notes of everything, just give them your attention every day.

I inspect every plant, every day. Then, after I burn one, I'll often "re-garden" or go around and look at this or that.....and many times I see a small web....or find a dead fan deep under the canopy....etc.

Then, after the next drench, I might notice the petioles got better....or worse....etc.

Again, let this sink in. It's like the smells and sounds of your childhood. You know them, even though you may not have taken notes.....that's the level you want to get to when growing.

A fully aware, experienced, mindful and intuitive form of gardening, based on repetition and wonder.

While there's nothing at all wrong with the lab-notebook, detailed recording of things....we want all of that to sink in so it's automatic and we're functioning as human being were meant to function: cultivators.

That's what we are supposed to do! Cultivate. No other animal does it. It's our job. Not killing, poisoning, clear-cutting, synthesizing....but cultivating. That's what nature intended our job to be.

Doc Bud;3739283 said:
Posting pics first, editing later.

more in a bit

Doc Bud;3739290 said:
Fill the pots full of High Brix soil. Soak them thoroughly, drain this way and that....add more soil back in and moisten that....make the divet, plant the seed.

Doc Bud;3739475 said:

Doc Bud;3739483 said:
Finishing up here:

After the pots were dunked and drained, topped off with more soil which was moistened, I used a pen and made a hole about 1/4 inch deep. Sprinkled a small amount of Roots! in and around the hole, and placed the seeds using chopsticks, as I find the little devils stick to my fingers.

After placing each seed, I carefully pinch the small hole close and place the containers over on the heat mat. You only want to raise the soil a degree or two....1 hour on 3 hours off is about right.

Doc Bud;3740039 said:
Old seeds can soak up to 24 hours, but these are newish...so no need to soak. You don't want them to crack in water....no planting tails or anything like that. We want them to germinate in dirt, not water.

Start them out right and they can sprint.

Darkscotia;3741069 said:
So got all the passion 1 seeds into hb soil. I filled up 1 gallon pots with 2nd run hb soil and dunked in my buckets and soaked soil nice and good. Then tilted pots this back and forth till water stopped dripping, then topped all pots off with more hb soil and throughly moistened.
Made divot in middle of soil about 1/4 inch deep and sprinkled roots in and around hole. Then place seed into and closed of area above seed.
Then put all pots into tent under ps cob with only 1 switch running and placed heat may user pots for 1 hour on and 3 off.

Buckshot317;3744538 said:
I wet a paper towel, then squeeze it over the seeds. It's pretty gentle, worked for years

Darkscotia;3747582 said:
What everything looks like before lights out. If these don't pop will be my first strike out in my career.

Doc Bud;3747765 said:
Be patient, they'll come up. We wants roots, not foliage.....the tap root will be properly anchored, colonized and 4 to inches long before they break ground.

Be patient. Fast isn't always best.

Doc Bud;3752413 said:
Got a text from the guy who is filling in while I'm away: one is up. The others will be along shortly.

Darkscotia;3754095 said:
So got home this morning to find 2of 3 girls have poked there heads out of soil.
Patience pays off I guess.

Doc Bud;3754348 said:
So while that pot dries out and the roots grow, dribble about 1/4 cup water on top, but not right at the base of the seedling.

Give it about a 3 inch dry circle around the stem.

The tap root is close to the bottom of the pot now. We can encourage lateral branching of the roots by keeping just a bit of moisture in the upper region of the soil.

Play close attention to the next few weeks and how and when we water.

Doc Bud;3755345 said:
Plain water was all that was used during and since germination. I dunk and drain the pot PRIOR TO planting the seed. It leeches out a bit of nitrogen and of course wets the down well.

I started doing this after a few people reported their seeds being digested before they could germinate. It's important to start the seeds in HB soil in order to have everything work right the entire time, and not miss a week trying to re-colonize the roots, etc.

Darkscotia;3755641 said:
And we have a 3rd little girl. She poked out sometime between yesterday morning and this morning. So all 3 are out and above soil. Now let’s build this root ball.

Doc Bud;3755706 said:
OK....now we're starting off on the right foot! The roots are much bigger than the foliage now....and we want to not only keep it that way, we want to emphasize roots.

Now is the boring, long wait between watering and drenches at this stage. Pay attention to the weight of the pot and as it dries out, put just a bit of water down the top so the roots start branching in all directions. About 1/4 cup is all you need.

The wet/dry cycle will encourage massive roots, short internodes, thick, strong stems and a good leaf/calyx ratio.

Hopefully, mine came up too! I haven't seen them in a week.

Doc Bud;3756238 said:
Just visited my garden.

Two of four up.

I did not soak these seeds prior to putting them into dirt, so I'll allow another 3 days before I replant with two more seeds, in order to get 4.

Some seeds come up really fast, others take longer. These have taken quite a while....but they're up and healthy and will grow strong.

Doc Bud;3757425 said:
I was a bit worried too.....LOL. But this is how I always germinate seeds so I knew they'd arrive in time....which they did.

When the seed starts its life in mineralized, living soil, and gravitropism allows the tap root to orient itself properly we've got our best chance for healthy plants. Each step builds on the other.

So, at this point, I"m weighing the pots, moistening the top every couple days and waiting till they need a drink.

Bright light is very important at this time, so make sure they're really getting a good exposure....not enough to bleach them of course....but strong, bright light.

With a T5 I like the bulbs about 5 inches away from the starts. With LED's pretend you're vegging/blooming large plants and give them that amount of light.

We're going to see short, fat, strong stems. Tight internodes and a high calyx to leaf ratio. In other words, sexy cannabis.

Doc Bud;3761566 said:
4 out of 6 not come up? That's got to do with seeds more than soil.

What I'm showing here is what I do. 100% germination is normal, 50% or less is the seed.

Keep in mind that the strongest survive too.

But if you just can't afford to not lose a single seed you could try the rapid rooted plugs, in soil.

On this journal I'm showing what I do, and where my plants start, etc.

It might not be the best way, it sure isn't the only way....but it works well for me.

Doc Bud;3762480 said:
I've not done this, but it would work for those who are really worried:

Fill the top of the pot with 2 inches of naked Promix. You'll get the best of both worlds. Shoot, this might be a BETTER way now that I think about it.......

As with everything, individual mileage may vary.

Darkscotia;3762669 said:
So friggen slow. How yours looking doc?

Doc Bud;3762671 said:
Just like yours bro! Same same.

What I'm doing right now is watching and maybe tomorrow I'll dribble a bit of water down the top...not much...just enough to stimulate some roots seeking it out. They're going to town below the surface right now....prolly 6-8 inches long with a branch or two.

Be patient! You've got it all dialed in. This is the boring part of the grow, but there are some important steps and goals to accomplish.

Doc Bud;3763795 said:
Here's where mine are today. I'm soaking the rest of the seeds to get two more up. These two look just fine.

I could tell the pot was lighter today and the top was dry, so I slowly dripped about 4 ounces of water on the perimeter of the soil.

This will encourage roots to seek moisture laterally, as well as down, giving us the framework for a nice rootball.

Darkscotia;3764679 said:
So all girls got a small watering this morning keeping a 2-3 inch dry circle around main stems.

Doc how much longer do we feed this way before giving pots a good drench again?

Doc Bud;3767060 said:
Nothing new today.

Darkscotia;3767400 said:
Same here doc. Seems at least we’re on same pace as of right now. Gave small watering right after
Taking picture. Keep a 2-3inch circle around stem when watering

Doc Bud;3770646 said:
Nothing to report here.

I haven't done anything to them since the last posting. They're growing properly.

I expect another two seeds to come up any day now. I chose the four biggest, most speckled seeds of the lot. 2 didn't come up, so the next two were not quite as "nice" as them. Still, I'm expecting them to germ.

Doc Bud;3770892 said:
Yep, go ahead and give it a bit down the top, just a small amount. The thinking behind this is precisely what you noticed: the pot still has some weight....which we know is moisture.

We don't want the top bone dry and the bottom moist, we'd like to have them dry out simultaneously if possible. There's no need for moisture meters or anything like that---although that would be kinda fun. I don't have time for it right now.....

But doing what we're doing and estimating it will improve things very nicely.

Remember also that our goal at this point is not to grow leaves, but roots. The plant is going to respond to a long interval between rains by growing shorter, with a thick main stem and lots of roots.....traits that are good for indoor growers and at the same time help the plant grow better buds.

So, don't stress on the visible part of the seedling so much.....we're interested mainly in what's happening below. Patience and boredom are the norm at this stage.

Darkscotia;3771401 said:
So with a quick recap of last few weeks hopefully this actually works this time.

So to sum it all up into one.

1.we filled pots with cooked hb soil
2. Drenched pots in straight water in buckets
3. Topped pots off with cooked hb soil and moistened.
4. Made a divot into soil about 1/4 inch deep and sprinkled roots in and around hole and then carefully
placed seed into divots and pinched off soil closing in seed.
5. Then place under lights and played the waiting game. With every once and awhile dripping water were seeds where placed to ensure they stayed damp( I used paper towel damp and rang out above seeds trick provided by buckshot I think if wrong sorry when I get chance to go back I may have to correct myself lol)
6. Once seeds came up when top soil got dry and pots felt lighter dribbled 1/4 cup of straight water down tops of pots while trying to keep a 2-3 inch dry circle around main stem to enhance root side growth.

Doc Bud;3772164 said:
Since this us such a boring part of the journal, I thought I'd post some pics of what roots look like after harvest,but everything goes right.

The things I'm showing here will result in roots like that. You all have seen the buds, but you need roots to get those kind of buds, especially in living soil.

Darkscotia;3772914 said:
Doc I think you should post a picture of the root ball we’re pushing for before we up pot. Gives us a goal to reach lol

Doc Bud;3773145 said:
There are videos on the website, as well as what scoring looks like.

Notice the strong stem.

Doc Bud;3775162 said:
Another one up. If the fourth comes up well be 4 for 6. Not great, but not bad. These are the slowest seeds I've had in quite a while, but they're showing vigor once they germ.

Darkscotia;3776388 said:
Not sure how I did it but I did. My wife was right by saying they weren’t looking right. On 2 plants the single blade leafs are showing signs of being burnted on edges. You can see on one I’ve crumbled damage part of leaf off. I’m not too concerned as I know they’ll come back around. I’ve used bottled water until this point to water around edges. I’m going to start using my actual water instead of bottled.
All got alittle water sprinkled around edges and there really starting to fell light.
Rh in room as stayed steady around 55-58 and rooms temps staying between 20 lights off and 25-27 lights on.and when I check bottom of root zone in pots are are typically sitting around 20-22c.

Doc Bud;3776497 said:
I don't see a problem there! Seriously, they look just fine. The lower leaves will do that occassionally, but the new growth is turgid and looks great.

Are the pots getting light? If you're worried, a weak Transplant drench can be done at this point. Mix it on the low side.

Darkscotia;3776520 said:
Pots are getting alot lighter but bottom soil still a bit damper then I’d like. Most times I’ve grown I’ve been able to keep those leaves nice and green until I trimmed them off. So when I arrived home to see the browning I shit and though here we go again.i also spent 2 days in the woods in a small camp with next to no sleep lol.
Good to hear though thanks doc. If your not worried then I’m not either now lol. I’ll continue to sprinkle water around edges till time is right. Or you say otherwise.

Doc Bud;3776530 said:
As I've said before....it's not leaves we're after right now, but roots.

Go ahead and give them a half cup of Transplant down the top and then wait for them to dry out before dunking. The reason I'm saying this is to make CERTAIN the soil and roots are communicating and to make sure you don't stress!

Right now, the little plant it putting all of its energy into those roots, desperate to find moisture. If it digests a lower leaf or two in the process....no problem! They'll be plenty more leaves before we're done, and those single blader, early leaves aren't going to be needed or wanted.

Roots....not leaves. Soil.....not plant. We're going to let the soil do the work this time.

Darkscotia;3776532 said:
And just to ask what would you consider to be a light transplant drench. Using about 3 gallons of water to drench in.
Without you I’d probably go with about 8ml tp-2.5 ml tea

Doc Bud;3776547 said:
Since I'd put it down the top, about half a cup each plant, how about mix up a half gallon and add that 8mil? You can use the rest on your other plants, etc.

Again, I'm not worried, but this action will put your psyche right, and I do believe the plants appreciate that somehow. "appreciate" might not be the right word, but they do respond to our electric energy somehow.

Doc Bud;3776899 said:
Yep. Only giving 1/2 cup per plant. Its not a legit watering, let alone a drench.

Also, keep in mind that we .ca use up to 1 ounce per gallon or 1 cup per gallon safely. Those are the Rescue and Super Drenches.

Also the directions say erring on the high side is better than the low side. Drenches can be tripled with no ill effects. Foliars are where you can cause problems.

Doc Bud;3778879 said:
Here's where mine are at today:

As you can see, one of the replacement seeds has broken ground. As mentioned before, I simply sowed it right in to the same container as the other non-start....and it came right up. The other replacement still hasn't broken ground. So, we're 3 for 6 on germinating these seeds.

I did absolutely nothing to them today. No watering or anything. They're just doing their thing, growing roots, etc.

Darkscotia;3778959 said:
When my lights came on I had 2of3 of my new blue cheese pop as well. That was only 4 days since putting in soil and no pre water soak as well. And also didn’t use the heat mat.

And on another note I finally got invoice for my new light and light is on its way. So these girls 2of the best passions and 2 of the best blue cheese will get the pleasure of growing under the bm god 9. It will be like a early Xmas present to them.

Doc Bud;3778971 said:
Excellent!

So, hopefully the unfounded rumors that say that it's best to start seeds in non-high brix soil can be put to rest.

Darkscotia;3779997 said:
So gave the 3 passion girls all 1/2 cup of transplant down the top of pots.
And then used rest to water my other girls.

And holy friggen big bottles. Sorry doc don’t think I’ll be needing to order tp or GE anytime soon lol.

Almost didn’t fit in my storage stand.

Doc Bud;3781879 said:
So, still nothing showing from seed #4. But here are the other three. No action taken today.

Darkscotia;3783022 said:
Girls are just chugging along. Growth not all to much but as doc says all the magic is happening in the soil right now.
2of3 seeds have popped and the other probably isn’t going to pop. These were older seeds and didn’t get any water soak before putting into soil. But regardless the 2 are doing just fine. Haven’t had to sprinkle any water on soil as of yet.
The 3 passions got 1/2 cup of transplant down top like 2 days ago and top soil is starting to dry up again. Very bottom soil still a bit damp though. Pots still have a bit of weight because of it.
Some pics

Doc Bud;3783306 said:
HOw is the weight of the pot now? Close to needing a drench?

We don't actually want them to wilt...but want to get them right before they wilt. Mine weren't ready for a drench yesterday.

Darkscotia;3783375 said:
Pots still got alittle weight to them,top soil drying every 2nd day but bottom is still damp. Probably another day or two.

Doc Bud;3784944 said:
I'd say it's time for a first drench! You could do straight water and it would be fine....but I'm going to suggest a Transplant drench. 1 oz per gallon, with 3mil Tea. There is a video on the website and on IG if you want to watch how I do it.

Doc Bud;3785222 said:
You've got it right, but I wasn't perfectly clear:

1 oz of Transplant per gallon of water.......3mils Tea total.

Again, you've got it right and I'm just repeating this for clarification. Nothing but water on the next one.

Could you do straight water this time? Yes....but by the looks of things they're going to be really happy this way.

Watch what happens in the next 10 days....

Doc Bud;3786653 said:
Hi DT,

He's dunking, so right there we double it. As I explained above, normally I'd go with straight water, but I'm making a judgement call based on the way his plants look. I'll post pics of mine in a minute.....I'm going to give straight water with 1/4 trans but they're not ready for drench yet.

Think of it like a mini-rescue drench. While I don't see any problems per se......I'm dedicated to making sure he knocks this out of the park, so I'm showing a few tips and tricks here and there.

Doc Bud;3786673 said:

Darkscotia;3789491 said:
So the 3 passions all got there first transplant drench. Mixed at docs recommended dosage of 1oz transplant per gallon of water and 3ml of tea. 2of 3 girls got a lighter green colour and the other has a dark green colour. The one with the darker green leaves appears to be growing the best with nice colour and bigger leaves and still no damage to lower leaves as of yet.
Some picture out of the tent before transplant.

And some of the new blue cheese babies still in tent. Will probably have to start dribbling water around blue cheese soon as top soil starting to dry up.

Doc Bud;3790564 said:
UPdate: No action taken today. I think they get dunked tomorrow. Plain water on the two big ones....nothing on the small one.

This is two hours after lights off and a bit colder than I'd like....but they're quite perky usually.

Darkscotia;3792758 said:
So all the passions looking good after there first transplant drench dunking. 2 with pale colour seem to be coming back around getting darker colour.
Both blue cheese got dribble around plant as I did with first 3 passion and will continue to until pots get dry then will feed accordingly at that point.
Turned light on full power to see what happens. I figure worse case it will burn the amnesia lemon first which at this point could care a less about I’ll use them as test purposes lol. Should be good got light sitting at least 6.5 feet above passion and blue cheese and 5 feet about my others.

Doc Bud;3794103 said:
Pure water dunk today.

Doc Bud;3794439 said:
I'm gonna do my best! The reason I went with straight water---which is the usual practice---is because there is good turgor, good growth, lite green petioles and 7 bladed leaves on the second set. In other words, the plant is purring....

If I had some leaf digestion, 3 bladed leaves, purple petioles or poor turgor, I might have opted for another drench, as in Scotia's case, where we went for Transplant, just to make sure the roots don't feel neglected.

Darkscotia;3794605 said:
So far girls looking good after transplant drench and only a day has passed. The 2 pale ones are getting there colour back as well. And I think all plants are liking there new lights so far as well.

Doc Bud;3797736 said:
No action taken today.....but I do have some observations:

9bladed leaves on the 2nd set!! This is a very happy and vigorous hybrid.

2 phenos from 2 seeds......cross isn't stable yet, which is no problem, but something to be aware of.

Darkscotia;3799956 said:
All this talk about electrical and lights figured was time for a update. Will be doing a progress report in next day or 2 as well. Passion looking good. Have have regained colour and starting to take off.

Then the 2 blue cheese. Dont think 3rd seed will pop but oh well only needed 2 anyway and obviously got the strongest anyway. Still sprinkling water around outside edges as of yet. But looking good.

Doc Bud;3801936 said:
Recovering after an 18 hour day. No action taken today, just looking at their ways. These plants want topped, I think

Darkscotia;3802285 said:
So my girls are all looking very nice. Good call on that last tp for me it really brought them around with nice colour.

So all my passion pots are starting to get light in weight probably only another day or 2 before needing another feeding. What would you recommend on this one?

Doc Bud;3802325 said:
Transplant drench. No doubt about it!

You're looking good there!

Darkscotia;3802345 said:
Another transplant drench. Just making sure you remember that the last feeding was a transplant drench @ 1oz tp per gallon of water with 3ml tea.
Not doubting you just reminding just in case you forgot lol. I know your a busy man.
And if still a transplant drench at what dosage would you recommend at.

Doc Bud;3802378 said:
LOL. I thought you were asking about the little ones.

If last feeding was Trans....next time just a light watering. Then GE next. Sorry about that.

Darkscotia;3802397 said:
Yup I guess the way I laid out the update sort of looks like I was asking that. But thanks for that as that’s what they’ll get that next time there light.
But no my passions are just about ready for there 2nd feeding. So would you water from top or dunk pots in the water? Thanks in advance

Doc Bud;3802413 said:
Water from the top as you're dunking....watch the video on my website.....bottom of the page: veg watering tech

Doc Bud;3803405 said:
Dunk 'em and drain 'em. You could add 1/4 trans if you wish....I would.

Doc Bud;3804860 said:
Today they got their first drench. The other veg plants were on schedule for GE, and these are obviously doing well, so since there was no need to jumpstart the roots, they got the same treatment as everyone else.

2oz. GE plus 5 mils
Tea in 5 gallons of water.

Put that into 2 buckets and dunk two at a time.

Please note the sleepy one. Bone dry and right after 18 hours of light.....normal behavior. She will perk up just fine before lights on.

Darkscotia;3805156 said:
So the girls have all just about sprung back up already before light on. Picture was taken 1st minute light came on.The worst droopy one before feeding is still slacking a bit. All still have nice shade of green and looking very happy.
As stated earlier the 3 passion all got there 2nd dunk. Mixed at 1/4oz per 3gallons of water(hope that’s not to strong).

Sorry about purple. Will take some normal light pics tomorrow was in a rush tonight.

Darkscotia;3805871 said:
Some pictures under normal light. Keep in mind all my pictures are taken with cell phone. I have a Nikon d7200 not sure why I don’t use it. Anyhow some pictures of all girls. 3bigger ones are the passions and the 2 babies are the blue cheese. My 3rd blue cheese never popped out of soil. Both blue cheese shows signs on single blade leafs of discolouration but not worried as 2of3 passion did same thing and they are all just fine. Soil needs to wake up so the tp should help with that.
I’m loving the colour the 3 passions have gotten after docs recommended transplant drench
So far the passion have gotten a transplant drench(dunked) and a 1/4oz transplant to straight water dunk as well. Next feeding going with a GE drench(dunk)unless told otherwise.

The blue cheese has gotten just straight water 2inchs or so from stem whenever top soil dries out. Will get transplant drench(dunk) when pots feels a bit lighter probably another 2 days or so.

The blue cheese

Darkscotia;3807742 said:
Quick question doc. My blue cheese are just about ready for first drench I think. They have nice colour but single blade leafs shows signs of discolouration and rusted look on both blue cheese . Other leaves so far all good and healthy.
What dose should you recommend feeding at. I’ll be mixing about 2.5gallons of water to dunk in. Was thinking of doing 1/4 transplant to straight water dunk but with single blades showing problem though I may need to bump that up some. Thanks in advance

Gave me other amnesia lemon girls to my buddy last night and now my tent looks so empty.

Doc Bud;3807893 said:
Go ahead and give them a Transplant drench. They look good, but it will put your mind at ease and won't hurt.

If you're mixing 2.5 gallons you'll have quite a bit left over, yes? If it was me, I'd put one ounce (1 oz) in that bucket, with 5 mils of Tea. It's a strong drench, but it won't hurt and the roots will definitely be happy after that. Pure water with 1/4 trans on the next one for sure.

Please note, this is a heavy drench. Heavier than normal, but the pattern in your garden is that the plants don't completely engage the soil without a bit of coaxing, so that's why I made that decision.

Questions?

Doc Bud;3808215 said:
You're not doing anything at all wrong with mixing/cooking. We're not going to look there for problems, you're more careful than I am!

Tea is fine at 2-3 mils per 5 gallon bucket....especially if all of that is going to find its way into soil. But with dunking, much of it is left behind, so we add more.

Also, you'll notice that Tea is greatly increased with Rescue and Super drenches. Once we get into bloom, and are using saucers you'll see the amounts decrease, especially if we aren't doing root remediation.

I don't think you're doing anything at all wrong....and your plants all look very nice! We're trying for perfection----which I love----and at the same time we're trying to teach the thought process behind it all.

When things are going great----and you're nearly there----the numbers for this next feeding would be different.

One thing I love about High Brix is how we all fret over one leaf......pretty cool if you ask me. Our problems are quite small, compared to other methods.

Hopefully, by now you're starting to understand how the products work in veg and what they do. Things will get more interesting very soon! We're almost ready to start foliar feeding!

Doc Bud;3808270 said:
It's a great question. I've revised and re-revised the directions several times......each time with the intent of making things more clear because someone has said they're confused....while others insist they were never confused! Some veterans still think the very first set of directions is fine and they follow them!

I always water 6 or more plants at a time, so I still use oz-per-sq ft calculations. I also don't measure things....I just pour from a gallon jug into a bucket.

In your case, when watering 3 vegging plants, assuming everything is going well, the numbers you give are just fine! As for the Tea....don't get too worried between .6 mils and 1 or 2 mils. Just make it easy on yourself and use 1 or 2 mils. It doesn't have to be exact.

Again, underfeeding is more problematic than overfeeding....if they look like they're stalled or starving, increase feeding starting with Transplant.

I'm going to re-print the labels to say ".5 to 3 mils of drench per gallon of soil." Double for dunking. But since I have thousands of labels, it will be a while before we see them. I'll figure out a way to explain this....

Again, underfeeding and loss of soil energy is more problematic than overfeeding......from the directions:

I'm convinced that no directions can replace a gardener's intuition. We've got to start somewhere and the directions are definitely the place to start, but at some point each of us needs to feel confident to increase, decrease or otherwise change something based on their local conditions.

when it comes down to it, I'm basically following directions even with my pouring/plopping technique. what we're seeing on this thread is a lot of troubleshooting....much of akin to taking an a 3.9 GPA student to a 4.0.

If everything is going well, stick to the directions. If things seem anemic....increase drenches, starting with Transplant.

That's basically what a Super Drench is, afterall.

Doc Bud;3808537 said:
We talked about this quite a bit early on in this thread. Dribble maybe 1/4 to 1/2 cup of water on the top so that the top and bottom of the container dry out at the same time.....if possible. This will encourage roots to grow everywhere, as you see in DS's pic.

Here's where mine are at today:

I'm happy with how these look. No action taken today, but I'll probably be mixing up some Brix spray tomorrow, maybe tonite. They're ready!

Darkscotia;3808666 said:
On my healthiest looking passion girls. She’s has been nice and green the hole time even the single blade leafs are still green(maybe even to dark) has all a sudden really starting to look like a Venus fly trap.It’s top 4 fan leafs are all doing it.Anyone have any ideas?

Maybe light too strong or maybe need more light. I have light on full power but have girls sitting around outter edges of tent. All still have nice colour and only I affected which leans me away from light idea.

Doc Bud;3808742 said:
Excess light is my best guess. It should straighten right out. Every now and then I see something like this under the LED's. give it a few days.

Darkscotia;3810430 said:
All girls were getting very light tonight and starting droop. So all passions got there 3rd dunk tonight. I put 30ml GE to 3ml tea into 3 gallons of water and dunked all. These girls have taken off after initial transplant drench. Also I chopped first 3 sets of nodes off tonight to make it easier to put cup of water in while dunking

And the blue cheese will get first dunk tomorrow.

Doc Bud;3810546 said:
Mine got GE today. 1.5oz in 5 gallons of water with 6mils of Tea.

Dunked a tray of large plants and our 2 in that. The third one wasn't ready.

Pics tomorrow....one is probably male.

Darkscotia;3814431 said:
All passion got another transplant drench dunk tonight. Mixed at 45ml transplant 5ml tea to 4gallons of water. All looking good few got some burn marks but that’s from leafs getting a bit wet while dunking. I try to dry them off before putting back into room.
Some pics. I’d imagine I’m close to girls getting first brix spraying eh doc?

Doc Bud;3814979 said:
Remember, when we dunk, most of the product is left behind in the bucket so each plant isn't getting anywhere near as much as it seems......and yes, 1oz per gallon of water for the Rescue Drench.

The problem is that we've got some growers who grow one single plant and understandably wish to conserve the products, using just enough each time........and on the other end, there's me who has hundreds of gallons of each product laying about the place, and I usually feed 10 or more at a time. A single 5 gallon bucket can dunk about 12 plants quite easily.

So, here's what I'm trying to reconcile and figure out SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT:

If I'm feeding 20 plants, I'll mix up 5 gallons of water and an ounce an a half of Transplant with 5 or so mils of Tea, put half in each of two buckets and dunk 'em two at a time. It would work the same if I dunked one, single plant in that 5 gallon bucket, it would just be very wasteful.

If I was going to do just a single plant----which I never do cuz I've got more than one at all times....I'd find a bucket with different dimensions so I can use less water and have less waste.....but the ratio of product needs to be the same. That's why we went with the Mils/gallon of soil thing. It seemed it was working out that way for most folks we talked to.

But do you see the problem here? putting 45 mils in a 5 gallon bucket is how I would do it. But someone else might only want 3 or 4 mils of drench to feed a single plant. Obviously, if they put that amount in 5 gallons it would quite different.

When we first started, I let everyone do their own math. So when I said 1 oz per 30 square feet (which is how it would work in a raised be outside and also how it works for 6 large plants occupying a 4x8 tray) I just left it at that and people figured out on their own how to adjust it for larger or smaller sizes.

That approach has drawbacks.

The "add exactly this much" approach also has major drawbacks.....so I'm desperately trying to thread the needle between the two so folks don't have to think so much and can just follow a formula.

But all along, I've always said that the drenches can be mixed MUCH STRONGER without ill effect and that feeding on the high side is better than on the low side and most importantly that people need to become familiar with the products and how they work so as so just "know" how much to use based on experience.....which is what I do and most of the people who actually use my gear better than me also do.

So, for a single, one gallon pot: if I was doing a normal feeding I'd find a bucket that the one gallon pot could be submerged in....fill that bucket with a gallon of water and 2 to 3 mils of the drench and 3 to 5 mils of Tea and let the soil wick up as much as possible, then drain.

This comes very close to the directions on each bottle....but you can't add the same amount to 5 gallons of water and get the concentration the same in the soil.

Does this make sense? Some folks can easily convert numbers and amounts......others are not so adept and natural this way. It's not easy trying to get each type of grower to understand all of this.

That's what this journal is for! Everyone can see in real time what I actually do and while there might be confusion, at least we know the answer! It's a matter of correcting the math.

The easiest thing for people who simply can't get it would be to top water only. Then, the instructions on the bottles would work great.

Doc Bud;3815263 said:
They needed water today! Hooked up and thriving.

Doc Bud;3816806 said:
Update:

The smallest of the three needed its first drench today. Growth Energy. Full Strength. I just dunked it rotation with other vegging plants.

11 bladed leaves on the largest one. I worried its a male, but if not WOW! This Black Cherry Float really likes HB soil.

I'm going to get out the magnifying glass and look for lady bits on the plants daily now. The next time I brix the bloom room, I'll give these a foliar feed. Things are going very well.

Darkscotia;3817610 said:
All passion got there first brix spraying last night mixed up 350 ml water with 10 ml brix. Then this morning all girls got dunked in 5 gallons of water with 1/4 oz tp. These are feeding about every 3 days as of last 3 feedings.
Some pictures right before dunking

Will post some normal light pictures tonight or tomorrow

Doc Bud;3817634 said:
OK! Well done so far.

At this stage, I like to wait to see preflowers before doing any topping or training.

Also, it's time to do 2 drenches in a row with water in between. This will mitigate the leeching action of a straight water dunk. The water is still needed, but they need the calcium in the drenches more.

So, from here on out adjust your veg routine to: drench, drench, RO, drench, drench, RO.

So far, so good! They look really healthy.

Doc Bud;3817659 said:
Yes, continue to alternate drenches....just with less watering. You've got it.

Those are healthy, happy plants. Don't be afraid to feed the soil....the plants are asking for it.

When we get to the point where they need daily watering/drenching, we'll do 3 drenches then water. That usually only lasts for a week for me.

They'd be fine with the usual alternating drenches....possible Rescue....etc. But this is one of the "tips" I'm happy to communicate.

As you become more familiar with things, you'll use your intuition to make up your own schedules....and they'll be pretty much what we're doing here with minor differences.

When mixing things to get ready for a drench, pay attention to the physics of putting the drench into the bucket....how much noise does the "plop" make? How long a plume does Tea leave in the clear water? What is the color of the final mix? Just pay attention, try to engage all your senses.....your brain will catalog all this and soon pattern recognition will take over.

Pay attention to the leaves, the top of the soil, the stem color, petiole color, turgor....all of that. Touch the leaves....they should be flexible, velvety....not hard or brittle. Start to take it all in, just carefully observe....no need to take notes of everything, just give them your attention every day.

I inspect every plant, every day. Then, after I burn one, I'll often "re-garden" or go around and look at this or that.....and many times I see a small web....or find a dead fan deep under the canopy....etc.

Then, after the next drench, I might notice the petioles got better....or worse....etc.

Again, let this sink in. It's like the smells and sounds of your childhood. You know them, even though you may not have taken notes.....that's the level you want to get to when growing.

A fully aware, experienced, mindful and intuitive form of gardening, based on repetition and wonder.

While there's nothing at all wrong with the lab-notebook, detailed recording of things....we want all of that to sink in so it's automatic and we're functioning as human being were meant to function: cultivators.

That's what we are supposed to do! Cultivate. No other animal does it. It's our job. Not killing, poisoning, clear-cutting, synthesizing....but cultivating. That's what nature intended our job to be.

Doc Bud;3817930 said:
Science IS Nature!

We've lost this concept in the West. We commune with profits, indoctrination, regulation and avoiding punishment from the government. This mindset is behind the idea of autopsies----to figure out how things work----and synthetic duplication of what is found in nature. Drugs, not food, fresh air, exercise and spiritual health.

Instead, we should be communing with living things, producing food, Truth, Liberty and helping others....much of which is ILLEGAL!!!! This mindset is behind watching living things to see how things work, instead of cutting up dead things. it is behind using nature as it is, and not trying to re-create it in the lab. Food, fresh air, clean water, exercise and spiritual health.....not drugs.

So, the most scientific thing you can do is let nature do all the work, with us merely helping to put all the pieces into place.

Doc Bud;3817945 said:
it's hard to say what you're aiming for....perky leaves and awesome phototropism for starters. I like the stems to be really strong, so you don't need support, or at least as much support. Buds are bigger if the plant isn't falling over....

But the main thing is you use your eyes, ears, nose, fingers and taste. IE: last run the stems were stiff as pencils...the buds were dense and the flavor was incredible! This run, the stems aren't quite as strong, the buds are not quite as dense and it smells different. Still good....just different.

Pay attention to everything and soon your brain will make connections. That's how we're hard wired. We losing that when all we look at is text and screen...especially a small phone.

Go fully analog and try to get all your senses involved and just be patient! Without realizing it, your brain is doing what is is supposed to do and soon you'll get a "green thumb." Each of us is capable of this, but it takes more time for some.

I find that people under 30, generally speaking of course, have more trouble with this than people over 60....because the older folks had hours of boredom when they were kids and began paying attention to clouds, wind, noises...imagination, etc. The younger folks know a slightly different experience: video, electronics, zero boredom, and so forth.

But we're all wired the same way!

Darkscotia;3818939 said:
Just some farting around with my camera. First time I’ve actually used a real camera and not cell phone to take pictures. All pictures taken 2hourd before lights off

Doc Bud;3819496 said:
Update: Topped off the two big ones with about 1/4 cup of water. Probably need a drench tomorrow or the next day.

They're growing like crazy and I hope I get a female. The Black Cherry Float has vigor....11 bladed leaves coming in at all new nods.

Maybe we'll see some 13 blades in bloom? It's been a while.

Darkscotia;3820622 said:
So just playing with camera again. I tried to play with editing pictures but can’t figure that out worth of shit lol. Took me long enough to figure out how to just get pictures off the darn thing. Pictures were stuck in raw form I guess lol.
All is going good so far and how could it not be with my coach watching every step. Thanks again doc for all the hard work you put into us customers and your product. All girls will start there double drench schedule but I’m starting on straight water as my darkest looking girl is showing show of the CLAW. So I’m thinking that straight water then drench,drench and repeat. This one girl showing the claw has stayed dark green from start to now so I figured this may happen to her as I was feeding same as other that weren’t showing the best colour. Doc I’m open ears if you have a better plan.
Some pics of the claw lol

And the rest

Darkscotia;3820624 said:
And the bluecheese

Doc Bud;3820628 said:
That's gonna straighten right out. Yep, water next.

Get the humidity up during lights on and that "claw" won't be around. It's only a very mild case anyways. Don't worry about that dark color....just take note, watch it and make adjustments accordingly.

Doc Bud;3820758 said:
Yep! Keep watching closely. Don't worry about taking notes....just engage all your senses and take it all in.

I've been thinking about this HB thing pretty much to the exclusion of everything(one) else for the last couple months and I think I've stumbled upon somthing worth sharing. I've already said a bit about it, but I'll say more:

What we're trying to do here is something on a higher level than just feeding plants and soil. Absolutely we're trying to feed the plants/soil as good as we can.....but the approach to doing so isn't quite limited to measuring liquids and weighing pots and managing the environment.

Yes, we need to do all that and do it right!

But what takes it to the next level is when we ourselves begin to function according to OUR roots. We're not supposed to be disconnected from the earth, insulated from the earth via rubber shoes, rubber tires, (i know it's not real rubber....it's worse) many storied buildings, no time to take off our shoes and walk on the beach, swim in the lake....

No time to be outside working with nature.

Well, technology is changing much faster than our basic neurology! Sure, as marvelous intelligent creatures we adapt to artificial lights, random and changing photoperiods, and so forth......but our ancient DNA is designed to commune with nature, to help our environment thrive, to cultivate crops, tend flocks, watch stars, moon and sun.....pay attention to the wind, the shadows, where the sun sets, where it rises, when the birds sing...how they sing, etc.

All of that is hardwired, deep within us.

The more we pay attention to the plants with a sense of wonder, the more all that ancient programming kicks in and starts humming away in the background----no effort on our part needed, just a sense of wonder focused on the plants and soil.

Things will start to "click." You'll know what to do. You'll be doing what you're supposed to do.

Science has given us the soil.....by studying and copying naturally occurring, mineralized, productive soils around the world. But cultivation isn't "just" science. There's another dimension that is mystical, ancient and can't be taught didactically. It is precisely this level we're trying to reach with High Brix growing!

We've got the best replication of productive soil we can have......short of living on the side of a volcano. What's needed now is to interact with and manage the living things in those pots.....and that only comes by experience.

Each of us can do this, but it might take longer for some than others. I think this is why chefs have done so damn well with HB. They understand chemistry from a different perspective than a guy in a white coat who does quantitative analysis on various substances. Chef's may not understand that heat breaks polypeptide bonds in proteins and that's what makes and egg go from raw to cooked.......but chef's definitely know how to use that process and make tasty eggs, done just right etc.

While we all need to start with numbers and measuring cups....I'd like us to all end up just sort of knowing what to do without all the measuring.

I used to say, "follow directions for a couple runs and learn how the products work." I still mean that, but I guess I mean more than that:

Follow directions for as many runs as needed until the products, the soil and the plants start obeying your will and you understand their needs and applications on a deep, mystical level.

Again, gaze at them, notice things. Count the serrations on the leaves, note their colors.....is the petiole all purple, half and half, or all green? Do the stems glow bright green, or do they have purple streaks? Notice it all. Don't write it down, just pay attention, day after day.

We're supposed to do this stuff. We're designed to do it. And each of us can be far better at it that we know.

Doc Bud;3821217 said:
2 of the 3 needed water today. There was some GE left over from veg watering yesterday, about 1 gallon in the five gallon bucket.

I diluted it 4 to 1 by adding 4 gallons RO to the bucket and dunked them in that. Plain water would have been fine, but I was too lazy to dump out the drench and knew they'd be happy.

The correct thing to do would have been RO and 1/4 trans......but no worries.

Transplant next.

These gals (hopefully) are going to like to be topped, based on structure.

Darkscotia;3823491 said:
Last update of the year. All got straight water(dunked) then will get back to back drenchs(dunked). Looking good before feeding.

Doc Bud;3824481 said:
No action taken today but the big two will need water tomorrow for sure.

Bright green stems, shiny green leaves.....this is what I like to see at this point. If I knew it was a female, I'd top it.

But that will to wait till I know for sure.

Doc Bud;3824484 said:
Here it is.

Darkscotia;3824566 said:
Looking good. I’ll be topping 2 out of 3 passions tonight will wait for other passion to catch up to rest. Probably won’t train the other 2 bluecheese as there late starters

Darkscotia;3824571 said:
I don’t recall seeing you say they got here first brix feeding yet. Did I just miss something or have they not got brix yet.

Doc Bud;3824928 said:
They got brix about a week ago when I sprayed the rest. They're due again real soon.

Doc Bud;3826174 said:
Bulk dry stuff is 4x what is in the kit. So 5lbs amendment and 4 lbs recharge.

Lady bits and 13 bladed leaves on the two big ones!

Darkscotia;3827295 said:
So alittle update. Been slacking over holidays a bit. The 3 big passion all got straight water feeding and a transplant drench(dunk)this morning. So far so good. Only one has showed sex so far. They all should be female as they we’re feminized seeds but I’d say one is male. So different then he rest.
Bluecheese

Passions

The 2 bluecheese will get water with 1/4 transplant tonight I think unless docs says otherwise

Doc Bud;3827335 said:
Looking good!

The larger 3 need heavier feedings in general. They all look great, however. Good things are coming! Wait till you see that rootball.

Darkscotia;3827356 said:
So right now feeding at about 1oz drench for 3.5gallons of water with 5ml tea. Should I bump it up some

Doc Bud;3827365 said:
If they need water every day....no, keep it right there. Just do two drenches in a row, then water, then two drenches in a row, etc.

GE, GE.....h20.....Trans, Trans.....h20.

If they need water every other day, do like this:

GE.....trans....h20.....GE....trans.....h20.

1oz for 3.5 gallons is pretty good at this point. If they look like they need more....bump it up. But I think as long as the drench stays in the soil a couple days before watering with pure water, you'll be good.

We're just a couple weeks away from Transplanting. I have to make sure I have room!

On edit: remember to keep the top of the pots slightly moist as they dry out. This is not necessary when you get to the every-day stage.

Darkscotia;3827377 said:
So far there only needing water every other day. So will go with that until they go daily them will switch to trans trans h20 etc for a few days until transplant. And have been watering tops as needed to keep moisture even throughout. I can see the roots in bottom hole look a lot darker then my last girls started in wrong soil. Looks like nice calcium roots down there now.

Doc Bud;3827386 said:
Nice! We'll probably be at the daily stage for a week.

You might try bumping up the GE one time. Trans is fine now. There's good colonization of the roots.

I'm going to take clones today, now that I have at least two females. Keep a sharp eye out for preflowers.

Darkscotia;3827433 said:
Yup only one showing some pre flower over my way.The darkest green one. The other 2 nothing yet and I I truly think one male but shouldn’t be. Time will tell.

Doc Bud;3827900 said:
Transplant drench today. They need water Every other day now.

Darkscotia;3828929 said:
So my dark green passions has been a awful sad little girl. She just droops everyday. I get the odd time I catch her praying but other then that just droops. She’s keep her colour and still growing just looks like shit. She’s look like she may have nitrogen toxicity. Any recommendations. She just had a good straight water feed 4 days ago roughly

Darkscotia;3828956 said:
Btw the temps and humidity are perfect. Lights on temp 26-27 lights off 19.5-20 and humidity staying between 52-55 most times 55

Doc Bud;3828974 said:
Looks fine to me.....she's getting root bound. Now is a good time to top, take clones, clean up the lower branches etc. in preparation for bloom.

No problem. When they have lots of foliage and become root bound they do this. Mine too. It's time to trim the excess and shape the plant for bloom.

Doc Bud;3829392 said:
They almost needed water today, so I top watered 12 oz.

They will get a good drench tomorrow.

I pruned them up and took clones. I'm not going to top these two, since I've not grown the strain before, but they appear to "want" to be topped.

Before and after with clones.

Darkscotia;3831971 said:
So all girls got a feeding last night. The passions all got a GE drench(dunked) mixed in 3gallons of water and mixed 30ml GE and 5ml tea.
The bluecheese also got a dunk last night. This was there 2nd drench, gave them some tp water mixed 5ml of tp to 2.5 gallons of water.
I think last night on one of my femmed passion I found some male parts on it. So much for being femmed. Topped 2 of 3 passion last night.

Darkscotia;3832009 said:
I see ball sacks https://uploads.420-cdn.com/20180106/77ca8c0714315142c4b2e39f414aa556.jpg

Darkscotia;3832012 said:
Sorry for shitty pictures of male parts. Cell wouldn’t focus cause I couldn’t stay still lol

Darkscotia;3834684 said:
Hey doc got one girl losing her colour and going a bit yellowish. They just received a double drench since feeding every other day I just gave a tp drench/ GE drench amd was getting ready to give straight water then repeat until needing water daily. With the colour change should I change things up a bit or maybe go heavier on feeding. Both drench were feed at 30ml drench 5ml tea to 3-3.5 gallons of water.

Temps and humidity still staying perfect. I’m thinking maybe light to strong. I can’t lift it any higher. Right now light is about 5 feet from canopy

Darkscotia;3834713 said:
On another note just thinking about my light comment the baby bluecheese really is only about 4-6 inch’s shorter and showing beautiful colour so far.

Doc Bud;3834726 said:
All those have nice color to me. What color is the stem?

Darkscotia;3835183 said:
The fan leaf stems are starting to get a bit of purple on upper parts of plant. It’s happening on all 3 of the passions nothing serious just wasn’t sure if I should change feed schedule or feed amounts

Doc Bud;3835379 said:
Do a strong transplant drench right at time of Transplant. I'm thinking about a week for mine before they bloom.

Darkscotia;3835434 said:
Yeah I still haven’t got down to daily feeding as of yet. Probably another 2 weeks for me before transplant.

Doc Bud;3835736 said:
Sounds good. I may take mine longer to synch up with you. They're drinking and growing like crazy now.

Darkscotia;3836420 said:
All passions will get a water dunk tonight. Going to add 1/4oz to 5 gallons and dunk. Bluecheese aren’t needing water tonight as there still feeding every 4-5 days as of now. The bluecheese are set for the 2nd drench next feeding.
Some pics of the girls and maybe boys lol(not really laughing).

Darkscotia;3837187 said:
All passions will be getting there 2nd brix feeding today. Will be mixing into 350 ml of water to 10 ml brix. They were actually due for brix yesterday but didn’t want to spray same day as drenching not sure if it truly makes a difference

Darkscotia;3837668 said:
Passions
Nov11/17 passion seeds went into soil
Nov18/17 first seeds emerged from soil
Dec4/17 top feed 8ml tp to 1/2 gallon of water
Dec11/17 first drench(dunked) 2.5oz tp +3ml tea 3gallon of water
Dec19/17 10ml tp to 3gallons of water
Dec22/17 30ml GE +3ml tea to 3gallons of water
Dec25/17 45ml tp +5ml tea to 4gallons of water. This was also the bluecheese first drench
Dec27/17 first brix spraying 10ml brix-350ml water
Dec28/17 1/4oz tp to 5gallon of water
Dec31/17 straight water
Jan2/17 30ml tp+5ml tea 4gallons water
Jan5/17 30ml GE+5ml tea 3gallon water
Jan8/17 5ml tp 2.5gallon water
Jan9/17 brix spray 10ml brix 350ml h20

Bluecheese
Dec2/17- seed into soil
Dec?/17(didn’t write down when they popped only took 2-3 days from what I remember)
Dec 25/17 first drench(dunk) 45ml tp+5ml tea to 4gallon water
Jan5/17 5ml tp 2.5 gallon water

Hope this helps and don’t forget I’ve too watered when needed to keep top soil evenly moist while drying out which I don’t write down. Just watered as needed some needed it some didn’t.

Darkscotia;3837685 said:
I think I might give bluecheese there first brix spraying tonight as well

Doc Bud;3837721 said:
Here they were yesterday

Doc Bud;3839694 said:
OK, so they're the picture of health and vigor.....but not ready to bloom due to not having alternating nodes yet. Maybe a week, maybe 2.

Darkscotia;3840273 said:
Only one of my girls has alternating nodes.

Darkscotia;3842038 said:
So since being sick the passions got a feeding a transplant water and then all girls including bluecheese got a feeding and mixed that at 60ml tp+5ml tea to 5 gallons of water. Will get some pics when I have enough energy for frig sakes.

Doc Bud;3843781 said:
Used leftover GE from yesterday to dunk them today. Healthy and happy.

Also a pic of Grape Ape that was on my phone.....so I shared.

Doc Bud;3843993 said:
If they're losing color, feed 'em 3 days in a row, then water. You're probably very close to needing water daily, unless you're struggling with some environmental issue. Mine will be ready to bloom when they show alternating nodes.

FYI, I'm drenching 3x in a row, then watering. Strong too. They need it when they get to this stage. I actually back off when they get into bloom and have all that soil.

Darkscotia;3844032 said:
I’ve been feeding drench,drench,water but will up it to 3 times in a row. I’ll up my dosage as well for the bigger ones. Environment is in check for sure heat humidity everything is in check. I’d say after this week and if I’m back to normal should be ready for transplant. There basically ready to feed daily. I get the droop but pots still have a bit of weight to them after 24hrs. I’d say then need it about every 36-40 hrs before pots feel light enough to dunk.

Darkscotia;3844036 said:
So half ass cell pictures

Darkscotia;3844095 said:
The one showing the worst colour is the one that’s had alternating nodes for weeks now

Doc Bud;3844537 said:
They don't look too bad. I'd start dunking daily on those. Transplant the one with alternating nodes anytime now......That's my indicator...

Darkscotia;3844548 said:
See I go off my old bottles which had something like 1oz drench to 5gallon of water and that’s if I top feed. Pretty sure that was for 6 plants but makes it easy for me to break down. This 1ml drench per gallon of soil sort of confuses me. Obviously I understand I’m supposed to use 1ml of drench per gallon of soil trying to feed. What confused me is if I’m mixing for 5 1 gallon pots in 3 gallons of water and dunking would I mix 10 ml of drench per 3gallon of water for those 5 girls. Just seems on the low side to me. I’ll just stick to my old way of measuring cause it seems to work for me.

Darkscotia;3844559 said:
I think that’s my problem. They probably needed a daily dunk for a bit now. But due to pot still having weight after 24hrs I hold off a bit and ends up being every 40hrs roughly before dunking. I’ll move forward on daily dunks and will up pot the one with alternating nodes at end of week hopefully. Pretty sure I’ve seen alternating nodes on one of my other passions and my tallest bluecheese I think is getting ready to alternate as well.

Darkscotia;3845942 said:
Passions all got a GE feeding last night. Feed at 30ml GE 5ml tea 3gallons of water. The bluecheese should be do for a feeding today as well.

Doc question when you say 3 drenchs in a row. Do you mean tp,tp,tp, water or alternate tp and GE for those drenchs. We talked about doing double drenchs when feeding daily and at that point you wanted tp,tp,water,GE,GE,water

Doc Bud;3845975 said:
If you're dunking daily, save the drench overnight. So.....GE, GE, GE Water, Tp, Tp, Tp, water.....

Darkscotia;3849190 said:
Hello all. No I haven’t forgot about my journal just still getting my ass whooped by this flu. Girls are doing alright and not been neglected. One of my passions is starting to look like shit. Leaves started to go pale and then the rust look started to come back on some leafs. Good thing is I think it may be a male anyway.
Bluecheese is looking wonderful. At this point I have alternating nodes on all girls except smallest bluecheese so just about ready for transplant. Just got to get these girls feeding daily. So far every 40 hrs or so. I checked at 24hrs and still to heavy. Hopefully get some pictures up tonight

Doc Bud;3850051 said:
Here they are....still no alternating nodes, but healthy as can be.

Doc Bud;3850156 said:
very soon now.....

They need water daily now, so I'm doing 3 drenches in a row, then pure water, then the "other" drench 3x in a row, etc. I just leave the drench in the bucket for the next day. I pour back and forth to aerate it....and I give it a good sniff. if it smells "off" in any way, I dump it but even Transplant is OK on day 3, especially if I put it on the cement floor.

Darkscotia;3854995 said:
So a little update. Feeling a bit better and finally got some pictures. Since I took those pictures I’ve culled the one in the back right corner as it was a male. So much for feminized seeds. One of two passions is loosing colour but not too worried as she’ll come around. The other passion still has nice colour. Passions are still feeding every 36-40 hrs.
Both bluecheese still look wonderful and feeding every 3 days. Today all remaining girls got 30ml tp+5ml tea in 3 gallons of water. Will got all my notes on journal updated to what I’ve done since I’ve been sick and unable to keep my info up to date on here.
Some pics before feeding
Both bluecheese one has alternating nodes

Darkscotia;3855672 said:
Yup looking like a pretty good assumption pulled them today and I’ve had alternating nodes for some time now as well.Will transplant tonight into bigger pots. Not sure if I’ll use 10or 15s

Darkscotia;3856413 said:
All girls were transplanted tonight to 10 gallon pots. Transplanted both 2 remaining passions and both bluecheese. Will tie back some branch’s tomorrow veg for another week and flip switch. Both passions will get a rescue drench tomorrow from top feeding. Will mix up 2.5 oz tp+15ml tea to 2.5 gallons of water. Bluecheese will get a transplant water next feeding. All will be top feed from here out.

Darkscotia;3856823 said:
Doc I have a few question?
Now that I’ve put girls into final 10gallon pots and can’t dunk anymore how do you recommend to feed them? I plan on top feeding, so should I stick to 30ml drench to 5 gallons.
Should I go back to alternating drenchs?ex tp,water,GE repeat or something else.
When should I stop brix spraying and should I incorporate the snake oil at any time?

Doc Bud;3856896 said:
Definitely alternate drenches. 30 to 45 mils per 5 gallons....top/saucer water.

Stop spraying Brix a day or two before harvest. Add some Snake Oil to the very next Brix foliar, as your leaves are saying they could use it. I only use it once or twice and ONLY on strains that require it. This run, I haven't used Snake Oil at all.

Here we go!

I'll get mine transplanted today or tomorrow.

Doc Bud;3858041 said:
I use one gallon per plant in bloom. 7 gallon pots.

I don't measure anything anymore drench-wise, with the exception of this journal.

I think it's important to have a saucer, so even if you top water fast, the saucer catches the runoff and it gets to wick up. It is, of course, best to top water carefully, like with an aerated spray wand, or watering can. Half a gallon down the top, the other half in the saucer.

That's a detailed description of how I water in bloom. Simple. Gets the job done.

Doc Bud;3858451 said:
We're entering the bloom phase together, so we'll get to see how to water in "real time."

After Transplanting, I usually water with a weak Transplant solution. Depending on how they look when they need water, I might drench with GI or TP....heavy or light. It depends.

I like to let the pots dry out veg-style ONCE. After that, I like to keep the soil slightly moist but I wait for the containers to get good a light before drenching with a gallon. Ideally, the soil stays moist....like it is in the barrel....not soaking wet, and not dry.

I think some folks have problems because they veg too long in the final pots. I flip the same day I transplant.

Darkscotia;3858621 said:
Perfect I watered all girls with a trans water.filled saucer with about 1/2 gallon and put other gallon down top(remember I’m using 10 gallon pots) Both passions will get a rescue drench next feeding and both bluecheese will get a normal tp drench mixed on heavier side 45ml per 5 gallon h2o with 3ml tea

Darkscotia;3859028 said:
Mixing up snake oil for first time. It’s calls for 1/4 oz to a oz of brix in a quart of water. So I mixed up 350ml of water with 10 ml brix and 2ml snake oil and sprayed underside of leafs at lights on. Feel in some areas I may have sprayed to much

Doc Bud;3860013 said:
So, I transplanted the two large ones....should know if the third one is boy or girl soon. I suspect female, which means 3 out of 4 popped, and all 3 were female.

During transplanting, I took some pictures which I will post today. They got their first watering/drench too: 1/2 ounce Transplant in 2 gallons of water.

Normally, I would have hosed them down with Leaf Wash after pruning and upcanning....but I'm holding off on that for a couple days because I'm harvesting some plants that have a few mites on them and they're right next to the Black Cherry Floats in the bloom room....so I'm going to hose them down when those plants are out of the way. Day or two on that.

These plants are vigorous and look like they're going to produce!

As always, the day I prune, score roots and up-can is also the first day of 11/13 in the bloom room. No extended veg times for me. I find they grow better this way.

Doc Bud;3860210 said:
So, I filled the pot part way with soil...put down about a teaspoon of Roots! around the pot....then filled the soil to the top, removed the pot, dusted the hole with Roots!, Scored the roots on the plant....planted it.....watered with Transplant 1/2 in two gallons of water, one gallon to each plant.

They had their first 11/13 photoperiod last night. We're blooming...no extended veg time needed as there are plenty of roots already and I'm in "small" containers.

Darkscotia;3860822 said:
Alright back to growing some hb plants.
Plants loving there new pots so far all seem so much happier. Since doc has already flipped his plants I figured I want to be on sale time frame so I’ll flip as well. I’d planned on vegging a bit longer but will tie back some branchs tonight and lights will turn off in 12hrs to start the bloom cycle

Some shitty pics I took(sorry for the purple)

And the bluecheese. They both popped basically same time but one has blown up even catching up to older passion girls and other stayed super short. Both doing very nice.

Doc Bud;3861436 said:
So I'd really like to see you prune those from the bottom up to the top, leaving the top 5 nodes intact. I do that the day I flip.

Doc Bud;3861976 said:
One day of 11/13 and they haven't skipped a beat.

Darkscotia;3862488 said:
So I trimmed up plants to 5th nodes and probably did i a bit more then I should have. Stoned and had scissors not a good thing. Also tied back both passions and some of one of the tallest blueberry.
Also trimmed of most shitty looking leafs of the one passions that didn’t look so hot. And finally I remembered to change light cycle to 12/12 so today marks flip day

Darkscotia;3864618 said:
Girls all looking good in there new pots. Seem to be really enjoying life with more soil to thrive in. All have been trimmed and tied back and in there 2nd dark cycle of bloom. Probably another 2-3 days before they may need another drench.

Doc any recommendations on what I should feed. I was thinking a GE drench at 45ml per 5 gallon
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