The Mechanics of Freshly Harvested Canna Oil

TopCola;3434638 said:
Sue, is there any reason you use olive oil as opposed to coconut oil? I'm really excited to try a fresh harvest oil after reading your thread. I also will be experimenting with your method of decarbing in the oil.

Currently I always decarb before the oil is added because I wasn't able to make an effective oil the other way. But maybe it's because I never did the oil bath. I posted my method, you can see it in my signature. I would be interested to hear if you have already tried a method similar to this. From your posts is sounds like you have but it lacks the terpene profile you desire. I am skeptical that the terpenes can be retained in the oil. If they are lost in a dry cure, wouldn't they also be lost during the decarb method you describe?
TopCola;3434638 said:
Also, do you have any idea of what the equivalent dry weight of cannabis would be for 350grams of fresh harvest? Assuming 70% of mass is lost in curing process that would mean 350 fresh harvested grams is equivalent to about 105 grams of dry.

But since you did a wash then the 70% may be higher. Does that sound right to you?

How come you did a wash? What is the purpose? It scares me to do a wash because I feel like some of the trichomes would break off in the process. But I have no experience with this.
I use 20-25 grams dry flower in one cup of oil. One teaspoon (15ml) is my daily dose and 2 teaspoons on days I want to go to Pluto. What dose of your oil brings you to the moon and what dose brings you to Pluto? Metaphors of course :)



SweetSue;3435358 said:
Ahhh.... A lengthy post is required.
SweetSue;3435358 said:
:cheesygrinsmiley:

When choosing a carrier oil you need to understand how they get absorbed. Olive oil is a long-chained fatty acid that gets absorbed into the lymphatic system before it gets to the liver, because of the size of the molecules. Missing the First-Pass through the liver means more cannabinoids get to play a medicinal role. Once they get metabolized by the liver enzymes they lose the chief values we're looking for. Every metabolized molecule is one taken out of the ranks of medical.

For this reason we recommend olive oil as a carrier for all conditions excepting liver cancer. Olive oil is also capable of disrupting cancer tumor cells on its own, among other beneficial effects, lending medicinal value to the cannabinoids.

For recreation you want to get high, so you choose coconut oil, a medium-chained fatty acid that goes straight to the liver after leaving the cauldron of stomach acids. With liver cancer you want the cannabinoids in the liver ASAP, so you choose coconut oil for that quick transport and you incorporate methods of competitive inhibition to keep those enzymes distracted, leaving the cannabinoids free to attach to tumor cells right there in front of the enzymes.

The terpenes and flavonoids get bound up in the oil you're using. The sooner you get the plant processed the more of those components you hold onto.

We've actually had members do intense investigation of what was found in the water left from budwashing. No good trichomes are injured with careful handling. You have to smash the buds against the sides or bottom of the buckets or basins to do damage, and most of us are more gentle than that.

Budwashing improves the drying process and enhances the cure. It washes off the debris you don't expect to find and the foliar residue you do. When I do a fresh harvest oil I let them hang to drip dry for four hours, but I know I've increased the weight somewhat. It simply hasn't made a difference to me. The oil is still the most potent I've produced to date.

I use a harsher formula. I figure I'm losing 80% so I anticipate 20% of my wet weight. So far I'm coming close to that estimate. That 350 grams would have been 70 grams dry in my books.

The secret to happiness is lower expectations. :laughtwo:

I take two capsules a day, one at breakfast and another around 5PM. That dose takes me beyond the moon, but not quite to Pluto. Lol! If I could take another I think that'd do it, but then I wouldn't be able to function. One of these days I'll try and report in. It has to be a slow garden day. :cheesygrinsmiley:

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