Light Manipulation Experiments PART 1

INTRODUCTION

I can say that some of my previous assumptions on how light penetration and defoliating light blocking leaves might actually affect growth versus what I currently believe: that more light penetration equals faster growth.

This may prove not to be true in light of new experiments.

I also wanted to mention a few points on defoliating that I have come to realize with some help. To avoid a long lecture on the subject, I am just going to provide you with evidence.

I'll start off with a quote from a fellow grower:

“If a tip is blocked of light it will stretch to find it, removing that leaf blocking the light will stop that stretch and therefore keep that tip shorter, preventing an even canopy.”

Now the differences between light intensity and light penetration is what I am after. Lets say you adjust some supplemental light on your plant to further penetrate the lower foliage...letting those growths be exposed to direct light for a period of time should slow stretch of that branch based on what we know. Now if we were to expose the lower growth to this light and THEN further the distance of penetration abruptly, could this possibly lead to another stretch of growth to 'search' for that direct light it was used to being exposed to?

Well this is what I am trying to figure out. Maybe it might be possible to manipulate growth rates of specific branches in order to achieve the best spread of canopy of a grow. I am currently testing the above theory currently and will be posting results in the next week or two.


This quest for knowledge on the subject was directly sparked by TheCapn, when he mentioned to me twice before that my defoliating and supplemental light is actually slowing down growth than supporting it to grow faster. Here is a small excerpt of evidence he showed me in light of this:

>>>Here is a picture of a plant, with two giant fan leaves shading some premium bud spots. It sure is tempting to take off these fan leaves so those under branches can get light and grow. But if I do, it will actually make those two shaded branches grow slower. When a lower branch doesn't get light, it grows and stretches until it finds light. That's why a Christmas tree is wider at the bottom than at the top.
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>>>After ONE week, look how those branches blast right thru the fan leaves.
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>>>When we switch to flower, plants stretch. The reason for this, is because they are not getting as many hours of light. In the night, they are stretching for light. I know I usually error on the side of not taking off enough fan leaves during flower, but defoliating during vegetative growth is just... crazy, yo! During veg, we want that plant to get as bushy, leafy, and green as possible. Most importantly, if we are going to scrog, we want a flat top. By taking off fan leaves durning veg, or giving light to the lower growth, we actually SLOW down those branches, and they will never reach the screen.

Comments

Durning my first grow I removed to many fan leaves. I won't be doing that again.
 
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Mz420;bt6792 said:
Durning my first grow I removed to many fan leaves. I won't be doing that again.

Hey Mz420, first off, thank you for finding the time to check out my blog.

I also was like you. I removed a lot of fan leaves during the beginning of this and also started LST quite early all in hopes to give more light penetration. As you know now, my early efforts were more counterintuitive than anything!
 
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I agree with the findings on defol in veg, but I still believe lst should begin as soon as the plant is big enough to bend over. I won't mention any names, but there's another grower here that has plants 1 day behind mine, and my plants have almost double the nodes. This grower started lst a full week or so after me, and my side branches are almost ready to tie down. I also have very tight node spacing, and I know my babies could be even bigger had I went with DWC again, but that's for another grow. This is a much debated topic AG, and thank you for linking me to this blog, I appreciate your input, and I won't be stripping in veg this round. In flower however, I don't think I can avoid it, because of space restrictions.
 
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This is really good, AfricanGrower.

Would love to know your thoughts about lst as it relates to what this will do with the light etc.

But I will not be taking off leaves in the veg round around that's for sure.
 
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Output;bt6837 said:
This is really good, AfricanGrower.

Would love to know your thoughts about lst as it relates to what this will do with the light etc.

But I will not be taking off leaves in the veg round around that's for sure.

As for my techniques on LST, I tend to start with HST (high stress training) around the time the plant reaches the 5th node with a TOPing. I then leave it in vegetative growth for another month and a half. This time around, with my limited space, I only tied down my outer MAIN branches to restrict as much vertical growth as possible.

However if an all around 'bushier' plant is what you are after, (and you had the required space) I would just let the plant grow after the TOPing. Only before I go into flower would I put on the trellis (ScrOG).
 
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>>> Would love to know your thoughts about lst as it relates to what this will do with the light etc.

A lot of my techniques are already proven and used amongst the community. That's the great thing about the internet ;)

I recommend you give this article a read about how Vegetative time Exponentially Affects Yield.

A lot of the author's articles are very helpful and informative. I would recommend giving them all a read :laugh2:
 
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