Hello Turbo, Thanks for all the help and advice. I eventually want to make my own soil mix when I get to that point. I raise worms for castings and also do my own compost and have access to some great alpaca manures. I am coming to the conclusion that the smokin tomatoes soil is not the culprit after all, my other seedlings that I got from seeds I ordered from a reputable seed bank are not showing any signs of burning or stress. only the seedlings I sprouted from seeds I got from a guy I know that crossed his own strains burned. I am thinking it was his seeds or strains at this point