desiBud420
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Hi guys,
I'm into my 7th week with 2 seeds and I'd like to give some info on my plants regarding a current problem im having, so a quick background on both grows to date to help make this easier to diagnose. I have my own opinion but I defo need more opinions to really see where these 2 ladies are heading in the deficiency direction or toxicity direction, or a light issue, if anything else. Please see below.
-> What strain is it?
2 strains: BLack Indica (BI) and Crown Royale (CR) from CropKing seeds. The BI germed sooner than crown royale by 2 days, and got potted sooner than CR. In about 2-3 weeks the crown royale began to outgrow the black indica, significantly more so up till now. The BI's growth is really slowly, at least in comparison to the CR, but I'm not sure if this particular strain of BI behaves like this or if something else is amiss.
-> Is it Indica, Sativa or Hybrid? What percentages?
I'm not sure exact percentages to be honest. But from my observations both are heavier on the indica side with wider leafs and shorter height than the wild male sativas growing in the jungle in my local area.
->Is it in Veg or Flower stage, and how long?
Veg, Week 7 start
Indoor or outdoor?
-> Indoor
Started with a basic growbox I 'renovated' from a friends grow last year.
Just got this setup complete 3 days ago as the plants had outgrown the pot size i could fit in the growbox.
Soil or Hydro, and whats in your mix?
-> Soil (dry manure, a stringy chinese peat moss looking item (fluffy, like hairlike strands that give me much better drainage since perlite/Vermculite is unavailable in my country of origin, but I found this instead doing the job in place of perl./verm.)
If soil... What size pot?
-> Both were transplanted in week 3 from a yogurt pot (400gm capacity) to 3 gallon pots each. I transplanted so late because this is my first grow, and honestly these took some time to grow because of other factors I had to adjust and improve upon as I went along.
Size of light?
-> Initially I made a growbox with a 85w whitelight, foiled inside all around with a 3-inch PC fan for ventilation. I've just recently upgraded my entire setup since the box couldnt fit both 3 gallon pots, that I had to balance ontop the pots edges and cover with a long sheet of cloth to get better ventilation and darkness for the sleep part of the plants cycle.
NOW in the tent im using two 85W CFL's (one white light, one warm white), one 20W warm white, and one 11W warm white. The 11 and 20W I have sitting around the farthest edges of the plant so that the leafs get the best all round light at the weaker angles, and around the bottom parts of the plants where direct light doesnt reach from the ones hanging ontop in light fixtures (these were installed yesterday, and in no way contribute to the initial leaf issues that began from the growbox, into the tent from 2 weeks ago). I'm using 18/6 since potting/sprout for anyone curious for that information
The lights are positioned pretty much equally in height. The CR is 2-3 inches away from the lights, the BI is 4-6 inches due to lack in grow height as compared to CR.
Is it aircooled?
-> The initial growbox, and current tent setup is in my bedroom. I have a 1.5 tonne a/c and ceiling fan that currently helps set the room temperature for the tents exhaust fan to pull air into the tent. BUT I dont keep them under the tent because it gets too hot too quickly and honestly its the best I could do at the moment, still experimenting with a/c temps+fan speeds to help stabilize tent temps inside.
Temp of Room/cab?
-> Room temp: 25'C-31'C (77-89'F) from morning to evening. Near noon I have to turn on the a/c for an hour so it stays below 28'C(82.5'F)
Tent temp: same range as above, maybe 1-2 degress warmer near lights area. I'm using a temp device that can monitor 2 temps via a long sensor on a cable to move to a certain distance from the main temp sensor, and RH only at the main device. Once the room temp stabilizes, so does the tent area, especially when I have half the tent side lifted for better ceiling fan air circulation.
Im in a tropical region, with 4 seasons throughout the year. We just got done with the peak of summers and have 11 hours of light a day (I used to keep both in the morning sun initially, shade from 11am to 3pm, then back into sun from 3-5pm as the remainder 40 minutes was just dawn, to get the best light wavelengths to grow, but right now theyre bigger and I dont want my people knowing I have a massive grow in my room! Once dawn approached and the sun was almost gone, i move them back inside under CFL's setup.
While in the room, a window opening sucks in air from outside into my room via an exhaust in the adjoined bathroom, its pretty strong and keeps things well ventilated and this helps keep fresh air coming into room that grow tents exhaust fan sucks into the plant area. When they are in their day part of the light cycle I remove 1 side of the tent and let the ceiling fan do the trick of moving the rooms air and stabilising its overall temp.
RH of Room/cab?
-> it ranges from 45-60% depending on the time of day, and weather outside that the bathroom exhaust pulls into the room.
PH of media or res?
-> water pH is around 6-7. I have pH strips only with no access to a pH meter or PPM meter as yet.
Any Pests ?
-> none. i made sure nothing of that sort enters my room. There were 3-6 tiny red ants from moving the plants outside the room into the sun, and moving them back in near evening. But those have long gone since I stopped doing the sun/room movement. I do it occasionally now not everyday like the first 4-5 weeks.
How often are you watering?
-> 3 gal pots take some time to dry as its much cooler in the room/tent than outside in the day. Strangely my room is warmer in winters, and cooler in summers if I get the a/c+ceiling fan setting just right over a span of 1-2 hours. I fully watered them about a week ago. I check soil water levels by weight of the pots. Topsoil drys sooner cause of USB fan and tent uxhaust, and moreso now because I added 3 more lights (one 85W all CFL's and warm white. The only white light CFL I have now hangs adjacent to the 85W warm white (see pics).
When the topsoil drys (about 2-3 days tops) and I check about 2-3 knuckles down, then I water after checking the weight. But often Ive found the middle/bottom half still feels damp so I tend to wait it out 2-4 days extra.
Type and strength of ferts used?
-> Only used 1/4 strength NPK 20-20-20 once (into the 5th week since BI plant was showing redness on the main stems, a tinge of darker leafs on the middle/top of plant, but not the entire plant. It seems to have stabilized now. Nothing less than NPK 20-20-20 is available here. The 1/4 strength nute took care of BI's problem about 70% of the way better. Before that I've only been watering them and holding back on anything until any deficiencies came about and checked up on it on 420mag and browsing various sites/posts for similar problems and solutions others implemented.
Ok, so overall up till now, I've treated both plants as similarly as possible and neither has come up with a different outcome than the other (apart the phosporous def I had with the BI, I assume the straing required more Phosp than the CR, otherwise the soil composition, water feeds, pH's, EVERYTHING has been a mirror image).
BI with phosporous def:
As of now, both plant symptoms are the same alongside each other at the same pace of developing over the past 2 weeks. They became more notable as the plants began to grow and touch the sides of the box foil in week 4-5, and has remained since then not peaking, not progressing/developing any further than what you've seen so far. The images below are its initial stages where the plants were transplanted but still had the growbox balanced ontop the 3 gallon pots edges. That was a real pain my ass whenever I had to rotate/switch plants having to unplug everything and remove shit before I changed positions and put it back together again.
Currently I'm not sure from my observations at other peoples grow problems and tonnes of posts/blgs/pics, whether both plants have a nutrient burn from soil mix I made, or if its mild light burn or if theyre both having a Nitrogen Toxicity phase in its initial/early stages, or if all 3 are happening at once. Again, the only difference at the moment in plant growth behaviour is the BI had a phosporous def about 3-4 weeks ago, and I took care of that with 1/4 strength of chemical nutes NPK 20-20-20, in 3 gallon bucket of water. I only gave them water at pH 6-7 ( i dont have a ph meter, only ph strips so not very accurate but im in the range for water ph, and run off ph as well.)
So whats going on here? Is this a Nutrient burn? My soil mix was heavier on the fluffy peat moss looking material for better drainage, the manure was dry cow compost, OH and I sprinkled a hint of dolomite lime in the soil in the very start since the tap water pH I used here was at 6-7. I may have substituted dolomite instead of lemonLime as the pH strips were hard to read and leaning more towards the upper 7 range than lower 6 range from color chart observation.
I've TOPPED the CR 2 weeks ago, didnt remove any fan leafs. I topped it again 2 days ago but at 4 points, and not just the 2 main stems like most others tend to do. Just curious to get more cola points. CR seems to be doing nicely =)
I FIMmed the really slow growing BI, and saw a notable increase in leaf growth, but not much in height. a liiiittle bit better, but not significantly as the CR has reacted to TOPping. CR and BI have the following issues:
Here are pics of whats going wrong. Nute burn, Light burn, Nitrogen toxicity, or all 3???
I'm into my 7th week with 2 seeds and I'd like to give some info on my plants regarding a current problem im having, so a quick background on both grows to date to help make this easier to diagnose. I have my own opinion but I defo need more opinions to really see where these 2 ladies are heading in the deficiency direction or toxicity direction, or a light issue, if anything else. Please see below.
-> What strain is it?
2 strains: BLack Indica (BI) and Crown Royale (CR) from CropKing seeds. The BI germed sooner than crown royale by 2 days, and got potted sooner than CR. In about 2-3 weeks the crown royale began to outgrow the black indica, significantly more so up till now. The BI's growth is really slowly, at least in comparison to the CR, but I'm not sure if this particular strain of BI behaves like this or if something else is amiss.
-> Is it Indica, Sativa or Hybrid? What percentages?
I'm not sure exact percentages to be honest. But from my observations both are heavier on the indica side with wider leafs and shorter height than the wild male sativas growing in the jungle in my local area.
->Is it in Veg or Flower stage, and how long?
Veg, Week 7 start
Indoor or outdoor?
-> Indoor
Started with a basic growbox I 'renovated' from a friends grow last year.
Just got this setup complete 3 days ago as the plants had outgrown the pot size i could fit in the growbox.
Soil or Hydro, and whats in your mix?
-> Soil (dry manure, a stringy chinese peat moss looking item (fluffy, like hairlike strands that give me much better drainage since perlite/Vermculite is unavailable in my country of origin, but I found this instead doing the job in place of perl./verm.)
If soil... What size pot?
-> Both were transplanted in week 3 from a yogurt pot (400gm capacity) to 3 gallon pots each. I transplanted so late because this is my first grow, and honestly these took some time to grow because of other factors I had to adjust and improve upon as I went along.
Size of light?
-> Initially I made a growbox with a 85w whitelight, foiled inside all around with a 3-inch PC fan for ventilation. I've just recently upgraded my entire setup since the box couldnt fit both 3 gallon pots, that I had to balance ontop the pots edges and cover with a long sheet of cloth to get better ventilation and darkness for the sleep part of the plants cycle.
NOW in the tent im using two 85W CFL's (one white light, one warm white), one 20W warm white, and one 11W warm white. The 11 and 20W I have sitting around the farthest edges of the plant so that the leafs get the best all round light at the weaker angles, and around the bottom parts of the plants where direct light doesnt reach from the ones hanging ontop in light fixtures (these were installed yesterday, and in no way contribute to the initial leaf issues that began from the growbox, into the tent from 2 weeks ago). I'm using 18/6 since potting/sprout for anyone curious for that information
The lights are positioned pretty much equally in height. The CR is 2-3 inches away from the lights, the BI is 4-6 inches due to lack in grow height as compared to CR.
Is it aircooled?
-> The initial growbox, and current tent setup is in my bedroom. I have a 1.5 tonne a/c and ceiling fan that currently helps set the room temperature for the tents exhaust fan to pull air into the tent. BUT I dont keep them under the tent because it gets too hot too quickly and honestly its the best I could do at the moment, still experimenting with a/c temps+fan speeds to help stabilize tent temps inside.
Temp of Room/cab?
-> Room temp: 25'C-31'C (77-89'F) from morning to evening. Near noon I have to turn on the a/c for an hour so it stays below 28'C(82.5'F)
Tent temp: same range as above, maybe 1-2 degress warmer near lights area. I'm using a temp device that can monitor 2 temps via a long sensor on a cable to move to a certain distance from the main temp sensor, and RH only at the main device. Once the room temp stabilizes, so does the tent area, especially when I have half the tent side lifted for better ceiling fan air circulation.
Im in a tropical region, with 4 seasons throughout the year. We just got done with the peak of summers and have 11 hours of light a day (I used to keep both in the morning sun initially, shade from 11am to 3pm, then back into sun from 3-5pm as the remainder 40 minutes was just dawn, to get the best light wavelengths to grow, but right now theyre bigger and I dont want my people knowing I have a massive grow in my room! Once dawn approached and the sun was almost gone, i move them back inside under CFL's setup.
While in the room, a window opening sucks in air from outside into my room via an exhaust in the adjoined bathroom, its pretty strong and keeps things well ventilated and this helps keep fresh air coming into room that grow tents exhaust fan sucks into the plant area. When they are in their day part of the light cycle I remove 1 side of the tent and let the ceiling fan do the trick of moving the rooms air and stabilising its overall temp.
RH of Room/cab?
-> it ranges from 45-60% depending on the time of day, and weather outside that the bathroom exhaust pulls into the room.
PH of media or res?
-> water pH is around 6-7. I have pH strips only with no access to a pH meter or PPM meter as yet.
Any Pests ?
-> none. i made sure nothing of that sort enters my room. There were 3-6 tiny red ants from moving the plants outside the room into the sun, and moving them back in near evening. But those have long gone since I stopped doing the sun/room movement. I do it occasionally now not everyday like the first 4-5 weeks.
How often are you watering?
-> 3 gal pots take some time to dry as its much cooler in the room/tent than outside in the day. Strangely my room is warmer in winters, and cooler in summers if I get the a/c+ceiling fan setting just right over a span of 1-2 hours. I fully watered them about a week ago. I check soil water levels by weight of the pots. Topsoil drys sooner cause of USB fan and tent uxhaust, and moreso now because I added 3 more lights (one 85W all CFL's and warm white. The only white light CFL I have now hangs adjacent to the 85W warm white (see pics).
When the topsoil drys (about 2-3 days tops) and I check about 2-3 knuckles down, then I water after checking the weight. But often Ive found the middle/bottom half still feels damp so I tend to wait it out 2-4 days extra.
Type and strength of ferts used?
-> Only used 1/4 strength NPK 20-20-20 once (into the 5th week since BI plant was showing redness on the main stems, a tinge of darker leafs on the middle/top of plant, but not the entire plant. It seems to have stabilized now. Nothing less than NPK 20-20-20 is available here. The 1/4 strength nute took care of BI's problem about 70% of the way better. Before that I've only been watering them and holding back on anything until any deficiencies came about and checked up on it on 420mag and browsing various sites/posts for similar problems and solutions others implemented.
Ok, so overall up till now, I've treated both plants as similarly as possible and neither has come up with a different outcome than the other (apart the phosporous def I had with the BI, I assume the straing required more Phosp than the CR, otherwise the soil composition, water feeds, pH's, EVERYTHING has been a mirror image).
BI with phosporous def:
As of now, both plant symptoms are the same alongside each other at the same pace of developing over the past 2 weeks. They became more notable as the plants began to grow and touch the sides of the box foil in week 4-5, and has remained since then not peaking, not progressing/developing any further than what you've seen so far. The images below are its initial stages where the plants were transplanted but still had the growbox balanced ontop the 3 gallon pots edges. That was a real pain my ass whenever I had to rotate/switch plants having to unplug everything and remove shit before I changed positions and put it back together again.
Currently I'm not sure from my observations at other peoples grow problems and tonnes of posts/blgs/pics, whether both plants have a nutrient burn from soil mix I made, or if its mild light burn or if theyre both having a Nitrogen Toxicity phase in its initial/early stages, or if all 3 are happening at once. Again, the only difference at the moment in plant growth behaviour is the BI had a phosporous def about 3-4 weeks ago, and I took care of that with 1/4 strength of chemical nutes NPK 20-20-20, in 3 gallon bucket of water. I only gave them water at pH 6-7 ( i dont have a ph meter, only ph strips so not very accurate but im in the range for water ph, and run off ph as well.)
So whats going on here? Is this a Nutrient burn? My soil mix was heavier on the fluffy peat moss looking material for better drainage, the manure was dry cow compost, OH and I sprinkled a hint of dolomite lime in the soil in the very start since the tap water pH I used here was at 6-7. I may have substituted dolomite instead of lemonLime as the pH strips were hard to read and leaning more towards the upper 7 range than lower 6 range from color chart observation.
I've TOPPED the CR 2 weeks ago, didnt remove any fan leafs. I topped it again 2 days ago but at 4 points, and not just the 2 main stems like most others tend to do. Just curious to get more cola points. CR seems to be doing nicely =)
I FIMmed the really slow growing BI, and saw a notable increase in leaf growth, but not much in height. a liiiittle bit better, but not significantly as the CR has reacted to TOPping. CR and BI have the following issues:
Here are pics of whats going wrong. Nute burn, Light burn, Nitrogen toxicity, or all 3???