Commercial Grower's License

Hey all, yep im still here too. lol
i went to procon.org and saw that a few states are pending MMJ laws and have MMJ on there ballots under house and senate bills. Im thinking, instead of moving to Cail should i go to say Alabama a state rip with poverty, unemployment and diabetes to help fight the last good fight?. Does having the laws on the ballot really mean its close to being legal or are they still deep in bureaucracyville?
 
1st off if ur Dr. prescription exceed legal limits, I'd consult with ur closest NORML branch and ask what would the best legal approach be. I'm pretty sure the county guidelines are an either/or type of deal, for example "Patients may have 99 plants or 100 sqft of canopy space which ever is the lesser". I Did however find this > Local Medical Marijuana Guidelines
 
Caregiver amounts

balzibub said:
Yes. Thank you i have looked at the county guidelines link. If you look at humboldt counties for instance it says at the end of it "Caregiver amounts calculated per patient served." Does this mean that for every patient sereved you are allowed 100sq ft canopy?
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for caregivers I believe the limits are per patient.
 
Actually, as I Am a MMJ doctors note carrier :)) I Am told by a majority of people, I can grow 12 plants, but 6 can be in flowering state, or buds, and 6 in immature. You cannot have more than 6 at a time mature.

As for me to walk in a Co-Op and buy or even to have in my home, total must not exceed a one container at 8 OZ. I can have or buy up to 8 oz. it must be kept in one container not multi-containment's.
wardo said:
First you want to join a local medical marijuana co-op or growers club. To do this you must have a medical referral or the equivalent from a doctor.

CALIFORNIA NORML ADVICE FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROVIDERS

How to be Listed on our Cooperative/Collective or Delivery Services Pages.

Hundreds of medical cannabis dispensaries, coops, collectives, and delivery services are currently doing business in California. Although many are operating in legal accordance with state and local law, the sale of medical cannabis remains strictly illegal under federal law, and the DEA has conducted scores of raids against medical cannabis businesses.

Under state law, the California Compassionate Use Act of 1996 (Prop. 215) patients and their "primary caregivers" are protected from criminal prosecution for personal possession and cultivation of marijuana, but NOT for distribution or sale to others. State law was expanded in 2004 by a new law, Senate Bill 420 (Health & Safety Code 11362.7-8). Among other things, SB 420 authorized patient "cooperatives" or "collectives" to distribute or sell medical marijuana on a non-profit basis to their members. It also allowed allowed duly designated primary caregivers who consistently attend to patients' needs to charge for their labor and services in providing marijuana.

ATTORNEY GENERAL'S GUIDELINES

On Aug. 25, 2008, the California Attorney General's office issued new guidelines for medical marijuana enforcement explaining its interpretation of SB420 and Prop 215. Read the guidelines. Although not strictly binding as law, they provide a good indication of how the AG wants to proceed with state enforcement. The guidelines are for the most part consistent with the California NORML legal committee's interpretation of state law, with certain exceptions noted below (see Cal NORML analysis of AG's guidelines ).

The guidelines note that storefront "dispensaries" are not explicitly recognized in state law, but that a "properly organized collective or cooperative" may legally dispense medical marijuana through a storefront provided it complies with certain conditions. The guidelines do not envision dispensaries operating as patient "caregivers," nor as for-profit businesses (there are many ways in which businesses can be organized as "non-profits"; for details consult a business attorney).

Dispensaries are expected to file for a seller's permit and pay sales taxes to the Board of Equalization. This is consistent with state law, which requires sales taxes for all medicinal herbs and drugs except those sold by a licensed pharmacist upon a doctor's "prescription " (legally, doctors cannot "prescribe" marijuana, but only "recommend" or "approve" it).

Some cities and counties also require a business license and/or zoning permits for dispensaries.

Coops and collectives must serve only verified legal patients, and distribute only to their own members.

Beyond this, the guidelines specify that cooperatives and collectives should use only marijuana legally grown or obtained by their own members, with no purchases from outside their membership. This requirement is questionable, since there is nothing in state or federal law banning the purchase of marijuana, medical or otherwise, from any source (the law bans possession, not purchase, and possession is protected under Prop. 215). However, this problem can be avoided by including all growers and suppliers as members.

The guidelines also state that dispensaries should document their activities, and specifically "track and record" the source of their marijuana. This too is outside the requirements of Prop 215 and SB 420. While good record-keeping is always advisable as a business practice, keeping records on growers and vendors poses obvious problems given the threat of federal prosecution. Until federal law is reformed to protect medical marijuana suppliers, coops and collectives need to be careful about protecting their confidentiality.
LOCAL REGULATION

Despite the federal illegality of dispensaries, many cities and counties have enacted ordinances aimed at licensing or regulating them. Many others have banned them altogether. Some cities, such as Los Angeles, have enacted moratoriums banning new dispensaries while allowing existing ones to operate. Others, such as Oakland, have put a cap on the number of licensed dispensaries. Strict zoning regulations are in effect in many localities, preventing siting near schools or too close to other dispensaries. Other regulations that have been adopted include banning on-site consumption and limiting the quantity of marijuana that can be sold or kept on hand. In some cases, regulations have been deliberately devised to be so strict as to preclude dispensaries from operating.

It is important that cooperatives and collectives consult local regulations before trying to set up operation. ASA maintains a list of Local California Dispensary Regulations.

Anyone interested in opening a medical cannabis facility should be wary about alarming local authorities. Many towns have moved to ban dispensaries after receiving inquiries from prospective operators. However, anyone planning to open a storefront dispensary should seek a business license and comply with local zoning regulations. It is especially important that dispensaries be appropriately sited so as not to disturb neighbors. Neighborhood complaints are the number one cause of police raids.


COLLECTIVES AND COOPERATIVES

The law explicitly allows distribution of medical marijuana through non-profit "collectives" or "cooperatives." This is the way storefront dispensaries should be organized. While some dispensaries are currently organized otherwise, as sole proprietorships, partnerships, or for-profit businesses, such arrangements are not advisable, since they are not permitted under SB 420 or the Attorney General's guidelines.

"Cooperatives" are explicitly defined in California law. Cooperatives must file articles of incorporation with the state and be organized in accordance with provisions spelled out in the state Corporations or Food and Agriculture code. Prospective cooperatives should be set up in consultation with a business attorney.

"Collectives" are not defined in statutory law. According to the Attorney General's guidelines :

"A collective should be an organization that merely facilitates the collaborative efforts of patient and caregiver members — including the allocation of costs and revenues. As such, a collective is not a statutory entity, but as a practical matter it might have to organize as some form of business to carry out its activities. The collective should not purchase marijuana from, or sell to, non-members; instead, it should only provide a means for facilitating or coordinating transactions between members. infer that they refer to any organization of multiple patients, Unfortunately, it provides no guidelines or explanation as to how these should operate. Presumably, the basic model is a group of patients and caregivers who plant a garden together and share the crop among themselves. The cultivation collective model does not necessarily envision walk-in clients, nor retail sales of medicine to members. Collectives may be supported by participation in work, donations or membership fees. Under one model, patients pay a set gardening fee for a certain part of the crop, and receive the harvest at no further charge."

A notable example of a patients' collective is the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana in Santa Cruz. WAMM has 200 seriously ill members who cultivate a collective garden and attend to each others' health and personal needs.

Two examples of patients' providers officially structured as cooperative corporations under California law were the Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative and Los Angeles Cannabis Research Center. Both might have been legal under SB 420, but they were shut down by the federal government.

The legality of collectives and cooperatives under state law was upheld by the Third District Court of Appeals in the 2005 Urziceanu decision. The Court ruled that while Prop. 215 did not authorize distribution by anyone except primary caregivers, SB 420 allowed for distribution among patients and caregivers through collectives and cooperatives.
CAREGIVERS:

A "primary caregiver" is narrowly defined under Prop. 215 to be "the individual designated [by a legal patient] who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person." The law does not explicitly allow patients to have multiple caregivers. In contrast, a caregiver may serve more than one patient.

The State Supreme Court has ruled that defendants are not entitled to a caregiver defense if all they do is grow or supply medical marijuana to patients. In the case People v. Mentch (2008), the court ruled: "a defendant whose caregiving consisted principally of supplying marijuana and instructing on its use, and who otherwise only sporadically took some patients to medical appointments, cannot qualify as a primary caregiver." The court went on to specify: "a defendant asserting primary caregiver status must prove at a minimum that he or she (1) consistently provided caregiving, (2) independent of any assistance in taking medical marijuana, (3) at or before the time he or she assumed responsibility for assisting with medical marijuana."

A provision in SB 420 forbides caregivers from having more than one patient outside their own "city or county." The constitutionality of this provision is questionable because it appears to restrict Prop. 215; also, the limitation to a single "city or county" is ambiguous. So far, no appellate court has ruled on the legality of this restriction; while it is included in the Attorney General's guidelines, it has been disregarded in some lower court rulings. Until this legal issue is settled, prospective caregivers are advised to be cautious about trying to serve many clients outside of their "city or county."

In general, the courts have held that cannabis clubs cannot serve as legal "primary caregivers" for large numbers of patients. Some persons have claimed caregiver status while growing for multiple numbers of patients on the theory that they are providing for their patients' health or safety. This defense has been successful in court for caregivers growing for small numbers of patients. However, it was rejected by a state court of appeals in the Peron decision, where the court held that Peron's San Francisco Cannabis Buyers' Club could not reasonably claim to function as a "primary caregiver" for its 8000 clients.

In general, dispensaries who cater to walk-in clients should not hope to rely on the caregiver provision. Caregiver growers should limit themselves to a select membership list of patients whom they personally know and who do not have other caregivers. Within these constraints, SB 420 allows caregivers to be compensated for the costs of their services, but it does NOT authorize sale of the marijuana itself for profit.

DELIVERY SERVICES

Although state law has no explicit provision for delivery services, they can be justified on the grounds that many patients lack transportation and cannot grow for themselves.

One way of setting up a delivery service consistent with state law is to act as a "primary caregiver." In this case, the caregiver grows the marijuana and delivers it to the patient. It is an unsettled question whether primary caregivers can buy medicine from outside sources. Although there is no provision in the law explicitly outlawing such purchase, the Attorney General's guidelines disallow it. Theoretically, the caregiver should not charge for the marijuana itself, but rather for his or her time and costs in providing it.

Note that the caregiver should "consistently" provide for the patient's needs, and that multiple "primary caregivers" are not authorized in the law.

The second way to organize a delivery service is as a non-profit cooperative or collective: in this case, the management should be in the hands of the membership, not a single individual.

COLLECTIVE CULTIVATION & POSSESSION GUIDELINES

Prop 215 allows individual patients and their caregivers to possess & cultivate as much as required for the patient's own medical use. Because this criterion is vague and open to differing interpretations, it is difficult for patients and police to judge beforehand whether a particular garden is legal. All too frequently, police take a stingy interpretation of the law and bust patients or caregivers for gardens they deem excessive, thus leaving the matter to be settled in court at the defendant's expense.

In order to reduce uncertainty and avoid unnecessary arrests, SB 420 established "limits" or guidelines as to how much marijuana patients and their caregivers could grow and possess. The state default SB 420 guidelines are 6 mature plants or 12 immature plants per patient, and 8 ounces of dried marijuana bud or equivalent. Individual counties and cities are allowed to set higher but not lower limits ( list of local SB 420 guidelines). Individual patients may exceed the guidelines if they have a doctor's note saying they need more; in practice, however, police routinely ignore this exception.

The validity of the SB 420 limits was thrown into question by two state appellate court decisions , People v Kelly and People v Phomphakdy (2008), which ruled that they were unconstitutional limitations on Prop. 215. Both decisions are under review by the State Supreme Court. We believe the ultimate resolution of these decisions is likely to be that the SB 420 guidelines are not legally determinative of guilt in court, but that they can still be used by law enforcement as guidelines for when to arrest people. Regardless, in the meantime, growers are well advised to adhere to the guidelines to the extent possible.

The question remains as to how much medical marijuana cooperatives and collectives are allowed to grow or possess. According to the AG's guidelines, they can scale the SB 420 limits in proportion to the number of their members. For example, under the standard state guideline, a coop with ten members could have ten times the limits, i.e. 60 mature or 120 immature plants and up to 80 ounces of marijuana. However, some counties and cities have established a maximum cap on the size of collective gardens: for example, San Francisco does not allow more than 99 plants in any case.

In general, collectives are advised to exercise caution about growing very large gardens. Even if local guidelines permit it, don't assume that you can safely grow 600 plants just because you have 100 patients. Beware that cultivation of 100 plants or more is punishable by a federal mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years. Collectives are accordingly well advised to stay at 99 plants or less to reduce the risk of federal prosecution.
FEDERAL LAW

Posssession, sale, distribution and transportation of marijuana, medical or otherwise, remain completely illegal under federal law. Under the U.S. Controlled Substances Act (CSA), marijuana is currently classified as a Schedule I drug, meaning that it has no accepted medical use. In 2001 , the Supreme Court upheld a federal injunction ordering the Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative and five other cannabis clubs to cease operations. The court overturned a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that the OCBC was entitled to a "medical necessity" defense for distributing marijuana to its members. The court ruled for the government on the grounds that the CSA did not allow for a necessity defense for distributors, but left open the question whether individual patients might invoke a necessity defense.

The Supreme Court turned back a more fundamental challenge to federal law in 2005, when it ruled that the CSA prohibits the private possession and cultivation of marijuana even by individual patients (Gonzalez v Raich). In particular, it reversed a ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which had found that the Congress' constitutional authority to regulate "interstate commerce" did not extend to patients who grew and possessed their own marijuana at home. Although the Supreme Court in no way invalidated California's state law on medical marijuana, it affirmed the federal government's right to treat all marijuana as contraband. In a subsequent case (Raich v Gonzalez, 2007), the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that patients have no constitutional right to use medical marijuana even when their lives depend on it.

As a result , medical marijuana remains completely illegal under current federal law. The DEA has raided scores of medical marijuana growers, clubs and caregivers in California since the enactment of Prop. 215. For the most part, the targets have been either high-profile activists who have attracted publicity, or commercial-scale dispensaries and growers whom local law enforcement has decided to turn over for federal prosecution. Defendants in federal cases are not allowed to invoke state law or medical marijuana as a defense. As a result, every medical marijuana defendant who has gone to trial in federal court has been convicted. Sentences have ranged from one day to 20 years. Summary of federal cases.
FEDERAL FORFEITURE:

Another federal weapon against medical marijuana is property forfeiture. Federal law allows the government to forfeit real estate from owners or landlords who let it be used for marijuana distribution or cultivation. Since 2007, the DEA has sent letters to hundreds of California dispensary landlords warning them that their property is subject to forfeiture. So far, no forfeiture suits have been filed pursuant to these letters. Nonetheless, in Santa Barbara, the Department of Justice successfully forced landlords to evict their tenants by warning them that they would otherwise face certain forfeiture in 45 days (Aug 2008). The DEA successfully invoked forfeiture after raiding the Los Angeles Cannabis Resource Center in 2001. The LACRC's building was actually owned by the city of West Hollywood, which had bought it as a gift for the club. The government had no trouble forfeiting it from the city, effectively closing the LACRC.

CA NORML Medical Marijuana Information

Doing these two things will answer more of your questions than I can in a post.
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Re: how to open

Racefan said:
What area of Northern California are you talking about? There are certain counties up here that would be a waste of time to try and open and run a club in. Shasta, Butte and Glen are just a few counties that stand no chance.
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I'm thinking of opening one in Fresno county just outside the city limits since city officials are so unfriendly towards dispensaries and are suing 9 dispensaries to close for lack of compliance with zoning laws designed I think specifically to shut them down. But I wonder about the county of Fresno. I saw an attorney on TV say dispensaries could move outside the city limits. I was just wondering if it's worth it.
By the way, what California city or county is most friendly to people wanting to open a dispensary.
 
420Blastabowl said:
if you go to oaksterdam in oakland the have a class that cost $250 that will teach you everything you need to know to open one including paperwork
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exactly. that info is not easy to come by, and the people that worked long hours figuring it out dont just want to tell everyone else for free. pay my way to oaksterdamn and i will teach you.:grinjoint:

msgrappling: going outside the city limits is the best idea. its what i am doing. off topic, but i am guessing you like jui jitsu?
 
Well, it's been 3 months since the last post here, and CA is changing laws AS WE SPEAK!
I've heard now that a MMJ card entitles that cardholder to as many plants in whatever stage in a certain square footage!!!

Hallelujah!!! :cheer:
 
Quick question, I know you need a card to smoke medical marijuana....But how about growing... Do you have to take some college classes for growing and some kind degree? Or is there a growers license that you can buy?....If there is, whats the going rate? Long story short what steps would i have to take to accomplish this goal.
 
pistolpete420 said:
Quick question, I know you need a card to smoke medical marijuana....But how about growing... Do you have to take some college classes for growing and some kind degree? Or is there a growers license that you can buy?....If there is, whats the going rate? Long story short what steps would i have to take to accomplish this goal.
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welcome. first you need a dr. reccom. for a legit. ailment. When you get the certificate (assuming you have a legit ailment for which MMJ is prescribed) you will get a certificate and a plastic ID card. This plastic ID card is worthless. That paper is your only valid form of documentation. You are then and there allowed as a medical mj user to grow 12 plants. 4 in bloom. OR and this is the big OR.....OR the appropriate number of plants to for your medical needs. Good luck.
 
whereisjeff said:
You should just save your money and move to Cali, thats what I did 2 months ago. I figured I might as well live my dream and seize the opportunity while it's there. Real change is going to take a lot of time, Obama isn't standing up to the special interest groups as promised and they're preventing rational MMJ policy so they can continue to bank on the status quo. This makes growing very lucrative out here and I don't see that changing until after the 2012 election at the soonest, other than possibly more states following California's lead and public polls moving more in our favor. So there's money to be made for a long time to come and out here you can do it safely. Just save what you can, finance the rest and take action!
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well for 1 in california marijuana goes on the ballet to be voted on to become legal for anyone over the age of 18 to be able to buy, smoke ,and grow cannabis the only stipulations for growing is that its 25sq ft for each adult so if u have 3 adults at ur house u can grow 75sqft of bud and the value of bud will drop rapidly because everyone will be able to grow it so dont waste ur time i live in california and its at 56% aproval right now and there still months to get more suport
 

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