Landrace Genetics 101

By the way I think you might enjoy that one!

The "prehistory" of marihuana consumption and growing in Colombia between 1930 and 1960

by Eduardo Sáenz Rovner

Translated by Jasson Garry

Translation from Cuadernos de Economía, Bogotá, v.26, n.47, p.205-222, July./Dec 2007.

ABSTRACT

Marihuana consumption did not become widespread in Colombia as the simple result of its increased use as part of the north-American counterculture of the 1960s. Even though marihuana-growing spiraled to satisfy north-American demand at the end of the 1960s and 1970s there was an important market for domestic consumption in Colombia. "Exonerating-type" academic literature tending to see countries such as Colombia as the passive "victims" of externally-induced phenomena is thus questioned.

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"...I am a degenerate, I am a dope fiend, drinking and dancing to the strains of my song..."
Porfirio Barba Jacob, Balada de la Loca Alegría

Smoking marihuana in Colombia did not just become widespread as a simple result of its increased use during the north-American counterculture of the 1960s. Even less so could marihuana be considered a "counter-revolutionary weapon" against "young Latin-American rebels" who, "were blocked during their march towards a generalised Cuban revolution," as stated by Arango and Child (1986). One also cannot agree with the statement that, "the Alianza para el Progreso peace bodies served as useful idiots for the Pentagon for spreading the marihuana and rock counterculture in the universities and rural districts of the Andes" (Arango and Child 1986, 1441). Some academic literature on drug-trafficking tends to adopt an "exonerating" attitude and sees countries such as Colombia as being the victims of externally-induced phenomena (Camacho Guizado 1988 and Tovar Pinzón 1999).

Even though marihuana-growing spiralled to satisfy north-American demand at the end of the 1960s and beginning of the 1970s there was still a significant market domestic consumption in Colombia as shown in this article. This means that one cannot agree with Roberto Junguito and Carlos Caballero Argáez's statement in an article published three decade ago that, "it is well known ... that growing it has been on the increase during the last three or four years, having begun on very small areas of land at the end of the 1960s" (Junguito Bonnet and Caballero Argáez 1978, 118). A strong north-American influence was seen in the perceptions and policies leading to marihuana use becoming condemned since the end of the 1930s.

Francisco Thoumi stated more than a decade ago that writing mentioning the existence of marihuana-growing and consumption in Colombia before the export boom was based on "impressionist ... evidence" (Thoumi 1994, 124). In fact, recent literature has not shown much of an advance in this respect. This work was aimed at rectifying the matter by using raw material from historical studies (unedited documentation taken from archives and records). Material was taken from correspondence from the Colombian Home Office and Foreign Office, the Archivo General de la Nación in Bogotá and the US National Archives in College Park , Maryland. The evidence presented shows that marihuana already had a long history in Colombia before any north-American influence was felt.

Early prohibition

Marihuana consumption was not considered as being a public health problem in the USA until the 1930s. Until then it was perceived as being a vice only affecting ethnic minority groups, bohemians, jazz musicians, sailors and other marginal elements in society. A US government report stated that marihuana use in the USA, "was noted, particularly amongst Latin-Americans and the Spanish-speaking population. Cannabis cigarettes are sold on a large scale in the states on the frontier with Mexico and in the cities of the south-east and south-west, the same as in the city of New York and, in fact, wherever there are colonies of Latin-Americans" (Federal Bureau of Narcotics 1930, 15 and Musto 1993, 248-254).

When it began to be reported that young Anglos were smoking "weed" then pressure became applied by groups of educators and religious communities to have the practice declared illegal. The Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN), the north-American federal agency responsible for repressing drug trafficking, was behind efforts aimed at criminalising marihuana, making public statements that it was a drug which induced violence amongst those who smoked it. Such pressure was successful when President Franklin D. Roosevelt sanctioned the Marihuana Tax Act in August 1937 criminalising its sale as being a federal crime (Himmelstein 1983 58-71; Morgan 1981, 138-142; Walter 1989, 99-107).

Curiously, and perhaps due to recent legislation and strong campaigns against it in the USA, marihuana's effects were described in worse terms than those of other drugs. Harry Anslinger (FBN director) declared that, "Prolonged marihuana use ... usually leads to insanity, the same as crime" (Jonnes 1996, 160), and added that, "fifty percent of violent crimes committed in districts inhabited by Mexicans, Spanish people, Latin-Americans and Greeks can be traced to this evil ... the worst of evils" (Speaker 2004, 215). The medical specialist, Lawrence Kolb, has stated that, "... marihuana is a dangerous drug, much more harmful, in certain aspects, than opium" (Musto 1972). Kolb emphasised that, "... an alcoholic, a marihuana consumer, causes many crimes," during a congress organised by the FBN in December 1938 (Marihuana Conference 1938).

Colombian authorities had already noticed the existence of marihuana-growing in 1925, the same as its consumption by sailors, stevedores and prostitutes in the ports (Ruíz Hernández 1979, 111). However, a similar effect in Colombia was only felt as a result of pressure against marihuana and its recent banning in the USA. For example, the Revista de Higiene (the Ministry of Health's official organ) published an article by Kolb in September 1939 entitled, "Marihuana: the weed which drives you mad."2 Even though measures related to marihuana had already existed in Colombia since the 1920s (Sáenz Rovner 1997, 5; López Restrepo 2000, 91), the Colombian government absolutely prohibited marihuana-growing. It ordered the destruction of existent plantations and established that those who violated this disposition would be sanctioned, "as illegal traffickers in drastic drugs ... according to the penal code."3

It should be remembered that campaigns against marihuana replicated debate relating marihuana to violence and crime in countries such as Cuba (Sáenz Rovner 2005, 55-56). Heated debate took place in México, whilst the newspaper Excelsior stated that many crimes were committed, "under the pathological influence of marihuana." High government functionaries questioned the official north-American view and even proposed treatment (not punishment) for those addicted to other drugs. Pressure applied by Anslinger and the US government led to an embargo being imposed on selling legal drugs to México, the Mexican government, in turn, opting for repressing consumers (Walker 1989, Astorga 2003).

In spite of prohibition

In spite of new legislation in Colombia, cases of marihuana were common up to the end of the 1930s and the start of the 1940s in cities such as Barranquilla. Trafficking ranged from selling a few cigarettes4 to the case of a pair who were found with a kilo and half of marihuana (the woman escaped from justice and her husband served a sentence of almost six months in prison).5

An official report about marihuana on the Caribbean coast in 1939 stated that marihuana cigarettes, "were generally sold in brothels or establishments frequented by low social classes. Also in 'fritangas' (greasy fried food) and where guarapo (drink made from herbs with sugar-cane or pineapple) is sold."6 The national government began a campaign "matching the persecution of the traffickers and consumers in its campaigns. For example, a film showing the ravages caused by Indian cannabis was projected during several days in several towns."7

The Colombian government stated in February 1940 that, "the campaign against the use of marihuana has provided satisfactory results," and indicated, as supposed proof, that supply had become reduced and that cigarettes had reached their highest price (in acquisitive terms of the time) of one peso and fifty centavos.8 "The struggle against drug addiction has been pursued with optimistic results," declared the minister of Work, Higiene and Social Welfare when describing the antidrug policy in 1941 (Caicedo Castilla 1941, 10). However, reality was different to official rhetoric; numerous arrests for possession, sale and even growing were repeated, especially in Barranquilla and its surrounding area. Marihuana was easily acquired in the city's brothels and marginal barrios. "Weed" was grown in the Atlántico department and the neighbouring Magdalena department. Searching available archives led to documenting around 60 cases of possession, selling and growing marihuana in Barranquilla and its surrounding areas between 1940 and 1944.9 It is not surprising that a north-American report in 1945 stated that marihuana production and consumption had considerably increased in Barranquilla. This report also stated that the Mexican vessel "Hidalgo" had made three trips to Barranquilla in just six months with "enormous amounts" of marihuana and seeds to be planted. Consumers (according to the report) could acquire the "weed" through taxi drivers or in the brothels and the price of a marihuana cigarette had fallen to ten centavos, a negligible price when compared to that reported in the official Colombian report in 1940.10

Regarding arrests for marihuana in other cities on the Atlantic coast at the start of the 1940s, cases of sellers can be documented in Cartagena, Santa Marta and Fundación.11 Several cases also occurred in the interior of the country, especially in the Caldas department. For example, two people were surprised with three pounds of marihuana for sale in Manizales; the "weed" apparently came from Pereira and was grown in the backyard of the house of the mother of one of those being detained.12

A law passed in 1946 (known as "Ley Consuegra" as it had been presented by Néstor Consuegra, a senator from Barranquilla) toughened the penalties for selling and consuming marihuana, considering them to be crimes against public health (Semana 1949; López Restrepo 2000, 92). President Mariano Ospina Pérez's government issued another decree against marihuana in 1949, after stating that marihuana, "has poisonous properties and produces a habit... growing it and selling it only leads to determining great evil for the healthiness of those associated with it ..." It decreed that, "Growing and selling marihuana within the territory of the Republic is prohibited," and ordered the authorities to proceed, "to the immediate destruction of existing plants." Penalties of six months to five years in prison were fixed, which could be increased for those supplying marihuana to minors or addicts.13 Another decree issued in 1951 described, "those growing and selling marihuana as criminals."14

In spite of all the decrees, cases of growing, possession or selling marihuana continued being relatively common in the Atlántico, Magdalena and Bolívar departments.15 According to an observer, smoking marihuana was already "very common" in brothels, bars and even theatres in Medellin by the middle of the century,16 whilst local authorities also reported cases of trafficking in the "weed" in the Antioquia department.17 As stated in a report from 1949 in a nationally circulating Colombian journal, "... marihuana cigarettes continue being smoked, as always, in spite of penal restrictions, in so-called 'bonches' (groups of smokers, though the word literally means a punch-up) which might well take place in an intimate gathering, in the house of some dissolute person, or during a trip, on any public highway, into late hours of the night" (Semana, 1949).

The explosion of domestic consumption

As well as consuming marihuana having become well-established, Colombia began to be a source of exports from the 1950s onwards. A confidential Colombian Foreign Office report in 1952 stated that Santa Marta had become a very important origin for marihuana being exported to different ports in Florida from whence it was forwarded in banana boats. The report stated that someone known as "T the T" was growing the "weed" on a farm near Santa Marta, supplying the local brothels and being the main exporter.18 It was reported that Colombian sailors had brought marihuana to New Orleans in 1957 aboard the vessel Ciudad de Bogotá belonging to the Grancolombiana merchant fleet.19 There were also suspicions that Colombian marihuana was being exported to other countries in addition to the USA; for example, some years later, a pound of the product was confiscated from a boat flying the Argentinean flag in Buenos Aires and, "it was suspected that it had been smuggled in from Colombia."20

The Colombian delegation at an Interpol meeting held in Washington in October 1960 stated that, "illicit trafficking in marihuana was widespread. The police had confiscated large amounts of marihuana."21 Lieutenant colonel José A. Ramírez Merchán, Inspector General of the Police and one of the Colombian delegates at the Assembly, confirmed that, "marihuana is produced in Colombia ... whose illicit production and trafficking account for very high figures."22

The report presented by the Colombian delegation to the Inter-American Consultative Group about overseeing narcotics in Río de Janeiro in 1961 stated that (based on a report from the country's secret police) marihuana was being grown in the Valle del Cauca, Caldas and Antioquia departments. In the Valle department it was being grown in Cali and in the rural area of Buga; the report stated that, "production and trafficking is extremely sizeable. Large areas of the crop were discovered in sugar refineries' sugarcane plantations close to the city." It added that, "an average of ten dissolute people are arrested per day in the border section between the Caldas and Valle departments from whom four to ten paper cones (of marihuana) are seized per person."

According to the report, in Caldas, marihuana was being grown in Villamaría (a town close to Manizales) and in the towns of Bello, Santa Bárbara and San Jerónimo in Antioquia. Marihuana-growing was also being grown in other departments, such as Huila, Magdalena (in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada), Cauca, Tolima and Cundinamarca. Regarding Bogota, the report stated that, "recently, it has been invaded by traffickers and gangsters," and the sectors where marihuana was most being consumed were, "areas of tolerance, small cafes and low-class hotels, located close to the marketplace."23

Not just the recently mentioned oficial report documented the increase in growing and consuming marihuana in Colombia at the beginning of the 1960s. The Directorio Liberal Municipal from Maicao in the Guajira department denounced the mayor of this town in 1962 for having ordered that a man accused of trafficking marihuana be put at liberty; the same trafficker was arrested three days later by the DAS and "a large amount of marihuana" was found on him.24 Marihuana crops were discovered in Tame, Arauca, in 1964; 5 individuals were arrested.25 Six "mariguaneros" were arrested in June 1964 in Bogotá and another 3 in July.26 Gustavo Hitzig (a high Colombian government functionary) declared in 1966 that at least 50,000 people were smoking marihuana in the country.27

The Caldas department (in the heart of the coffee-growing area in Colombia's central mountains) was one of the main foci of the re-emergence of violence at the end of the 1950s and beginnings of the 1960s. In fact, there were 390 murders in Caldas during the first six months of 1959, the greatest number for any province in the country for this six-month period.28 The governor of Caldas sent the following message to the Minister of Government (Home Secretary) in 1961, "Violence continues becoming intensified, especially in the Quindío area, meaning that I have requested Minguerra (the Ministry of War) to increase army personnel /img/revistas/s_ceco/v1nse/. I have also asked that the Caldas department police-force be increased.29 Coffee-growers have also expressed their alarm at the "intensification of violence in our department, especially in coffee-growing areas..." and blame the phenomenon on "the communist doctrines" coming from Fidel Castro's government's "proselytising campaign".30 With or without communist influence, the coffee-growing areas of Tolima and Valle del Cauca were also the epicentre for a great many murders.31

However, for other people, smoking marihuana was more related to crime and violence. A local newspaper in Riosucio (in western Caldas) stated that, "whilst the police do not redouble their vigilance and mount an offensive against marihuaneros and antisocial elements, the city will continue being menaced, making (normal) night-life impossible."32 The government of Caldas went further and began a "Campaign against marihuana" at the start of 1961, stating that, in its opinion (and taking up arguments made at the end of the 1930s), "trafficking and growing marihuana constitutes one of the origins for the disturbances of Public Order which are currently affecting the department," and offered a reward of up to 500 pesos, "to anyone who denounces the existence of such crops."33 Germán Guzmán Campos stated in 1962 that, "marihuana... serves daily as a stimulant in Quinchía for the bandits of captain 'Venganza', who was a marihuanero" (Guzmán Campos 1962, 224).

Arrests regarding cases involving marihuana shot up from 1961 onwards throughout the whole of the Caldas department. Consolidating information taken from the Caldas department's Home Office (Secretaría de Gobierno) provides the following information:

• Total of people arrested (for cases involving marihuana) for the 17 months for which statistics are available (i.e. June 1961 to July 1963): 108;

• Average number of people arrested per month, for the months and years for which there is information: 1961, 6; 1962, 3.2; and 1963, 10.4;

• Arrested for trafficking in marihuana: 85;

• Arrested for growing: 13;

• Arrested for growing and trafficking: 3; and

• Arrested for simple possession: 7.

Amongst those arrested, 21 individuals had other crimes pending; 105 were male and only 3 were female. Arrests were made in 26 towns throughout the length and breadth of the department which at this time comprised territories which later became part of the new departments of Quindío and Risaralda. Exactly half of the arrests were made in 6 towns (Salamina, La Virginia, Ríosucio, Anserma, Pereira and Santa Rosa de Cabal). Only Pereira out of the department's three main cities (Manizales (the capital), Armenia and Pereira) had an important number of arrests, to which those from Dosquebradas (a newly founded industrial area neighbouring Pereira) were added.34

In spite of the campaign being launched, significant marihuana crops and trafficking were found in Caldas from 1961 onwards during the rest of the decade. For example, crops were discovered in rural areas near Riosucio and Pueblo Rico; a farm having three thousand marihuana plants was found in the latter.35 A female carrying 10 pounds of marihuana was arrested in Dosquebradas.36

By the end of the decade, the southern part of Caldas (which had been administratively reorganised as the new department of Quindío) went back to being one of the main areas for producing and trafficking marihuana within the country, if one abides by the evidence of arrests made by the police. Farms were found growing marihuana in the rural areas of Armenia, Buenavista and Quimbaya and there were a significant number of arrests for marihuana trafficking, especially in cities like Armenia (the capital) and Calarcá, a nearby town.37

By this time marihuana-growing had expanded all over Colombia. The police localised a three-hectare area in February 1968 where marihuana was being grown on a farm in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada near Santa Marta.38 Another marihuana crop was discovered in the rural area of Ciénaga in the middle of 1969.39 Cases of marihuana-trafficking were repeated in different places throughout the department40 and several people were arrested on numerous occasions; 30 pounds of "weed" were seized in one of the cases.41

In the Cesar department, neighbouring that of Magdalena, there was a significant number of cases of marihuana-trafficking, the greater part occurring in Valledupar (its capital).42 A marihuana crop was discovered in Cerro Azul in March 1969, on the border with Magdalena department.43 Three men were arrested in a house in Valledupar in December 1969 in possession of six arrobas of marihuana (a unit of weight of between 11 and 16 kg (24-36 lbs), according to region), "within a recipient, especially ideal for being transported to Venezuela."44 Individuals accused of marihuana-trafficking were arrested in other departments on the Atlantic coast (Atlántico, Bolívar, Córdoba, Guajira and Sucre) in possession of amounts ranging from "a few paper cones" to considerable amounts of marihuana.45

Within the country (as well as in Caldas), numerous arrests were also made for marihuana-trafficking. The police discovered marihuana plants being grown on a farm near the town of Miranda and another crop in the Bolívar jurisdiction in Cauca, in the south of the country.46 The police arrested two individuals in possession of three arrobas of marihuana in a rural area near the town of El Tambo.47 An arrest for marihuana-trafficking was made in Popayán (the department's capital)48 and two adolescents were arrested when they tried to smuggle a package of marihuana for a prisoner in the prison in Popayán.49 The police confiscated the following on a farm in the El Paraíso rural area near the town of Algeciras: 11 sacks of raw marihuana, 21 pounds of seed and 41 pounds of already-prepared product.50 Other individuals were arrested for marihuana-trafficking in other cases and in different parts of the neighbouring Huila department.51 Marihuana crops were found in Antioquia52 and individuals were arrested for marihuana-trafficking and possession in Antioquia, Urabá Chocoano, Cali, Santander del Sur and Norte de Santander.53

Some authors have pointed out the contradiction of president Mariano Ospina Pérez's government which struggled against vice, including smoking marihuana, whilst importing cannabis seeds for producing fibre which was to be used by national industry (i.e. in making hemp sacks) (Salazar 1998). As shown in this document, well before "Santa Marta Golden" became famous amongst north-American consumers, Colombians already knew that cannabis was good for more than making sacks and string. Its widespread domestic growing and consumption throughout the country was already old, well before the vertiginous increase in north-American demand at the end of the 1960s.
 
I pollinated this season actually a strain I have called Ultra Dog, I made F2 seeds to grow for the next couple of years and eventually find suitable penos to come up with F3. I'm storing pollen in a fridge in a small metal box filled with rice taped from all sides. Hopefully it will be still viable next season.

The only extra step you could have taken would be to line the metal box with parchment paper. Though the Rice should do its job. I am not sure of the science behind it but I've had more success storing in glass vs metal!
 
Interesting. Your story on Ghost makes more sense, really. Hard to wade through the story lines when it all happened what, over 20 years ago now? It would be easy to do a genetic analysis and see which is the parent of which strains though, if there were any real value in it other than curiosity. As for the name OG, I do not agree with the reference to Ocean Grown (I lived in SoCal for a long time and never heard that reference there). Someone out there knows what it originally stood for. Someone. Though it was crossed in Florida as I recall, not SoCal where it wound up.

Interesting about using rice to dry pollen. I refrained from using flour, the most commonly recommended cutting and drying agent as that can get damp and rot. MJ pollen rots RELLY easy and fast. So I just kept my pollen pure and stored it in vials. If it will keep for 4 years? That is good to know. Pollen viability in the freezer is still a mystery to the masses.

1100 TC strains? Wow. You put my 38 landrace/heirloom seed collection to shame. Though my seeds are 'original' cross genetics. Or rather, a slice in time for MJ genetics from the 1970s. As for GMO, I have read about death cuttings, but I thought that was more science fiction. It gives me fingers on the chalkboard feelings. It is true evil piled upon evil, and based on pure greed for profit. Imagine if Nixon had tons of Monsanto GMO self-sterilizing Cannabis pollen to wipe out the Mexican weed fields instead of Paraquat back in the 1970s? Shudder...

As for TC, I have used that a lot in cultivating bamboo chimeras and new imported bamboo plants to the US. Legally there are strict import restrictions on bamboos so the few that are imported and quarantined have to be cloned using TC to get them to market. We have found that the TC clones are not as viable as divisions though, at least in Fargesia bamboos. I also did a lot of TC stuff with orchids 30 some odd years ago when I was growing cymbidium orchids. I wound up with a collection of otherwise extinct orchid strains that were highly prized. TC works well on orchids, except for Paphiopedilums. I was able to work with a large orchid grower in central California to bring some of the better cymbidium strains back. In an odd twist I am in the same boat now with my landrace MJ seed collection. No one seems to have these seeds any more. Amazingly. There were so many seeds in every lid of pot back in the day.

My small contribution to the anti-GMO cause I guess. I am an over ripened product of the NorCal drug scene with a twist of Telegraph Avenue underground comix at heart.

I've heard from reliable sources the Ghost was an F1 from the original OG Kush breeding, and with it came the F1 hybrid vigour. Being a Paki Kush x Thai lemon crossed to a cutting of Chemdog supposedly. With all that said they can't ascertain whether OG stands for Ocean Grown as quoted by none other than Harold (Putz) OR.. if it came from the infamous Cypress Hill in their song K.U.S.H (I may have the wrong song) referencing Original Gangster when saying OG KUSH. I've never had it in my garden I know people with it and I've seen it at different stages. Awesome plant... I would take a cut but I just don't have room right now. My mate that has it wants me to Tissue culture it for him. Which I will do and in the process make a culture for myself also. I'm sitting on about 1100 Tissue cultures currently. So you could call me somewhat of a collector.

On the topic of Pollen there are some old school tricks that will do wonder for you. The first of these is rice. Depending on the size of the jar. It sounds silly but it works. The other is expanded polystyrene pellets. Both absorb water over time and if sealed correctly they both work sufficiently. I have pollen 4 years old that still worked so I'm not sure on the shelf life as I've never collected pollen that I keep longer than that. When I do I'll be sure to let you know mate ;)

I'm so anti GMO I almost made my name Nonsanto on here though my grow buddies have always called me Growlow so here we are. The genetics company I know up here is in the works with an ex Monsanto geneticist. They are working on making cuts that die after there growth cycle.. so that they cannot not be put into veg again or cuts taken from it die like a time bomb went off. It has led me to a crossroad where I have to cut ties. I can't be associated on someone who is so greedy they are ready to go to the darkside... My avatar is for kicks I'm a Jedi at heart!
 
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I love all of your experience and insight. I have been slowly collecting seeds myself, but often wonder what exactly I am getting in the mail when I am buying Landrace seeds from "reputable companies". Is there a go-to source for landrace genetics?
 
Ok if you're not one of these smartasses storing their seeds from the 70s in the freezer or you do not travel just for them then you need to look the seedbank way! I've used few of these in the past and can definitely recommend Cannabiogen, Ace, Seeds of Africa and Real Seed Company. The best is Cannabiogen with Charlie Garcia as a head breeder and researcher. This guy knows his stuff, he knows Spanish, has a lot of friends in Colombia and Mexico, and his lines are flawless almost. What he releases are strains created by open pollination with picked landrace non-herming phenos. Great Colombian Punto Rojo, Colombian Mangobiche or Pakistan Chitral Kush. He offers Nepalese Highland too. Yeah few Himalayan lines, charas plants, are available through Real Seed Company, and these are genuine half-wild sativas with very unpredicted growth patterns. You can find two Mexican landraces through either Cannabiogen or Eskobar, these are Jarilla de Sinaloa and Jalisco. Most famous African strains are available from Seeds of Africa, and this is really good shit! If you want strong Durban or Malawi Gold you can go with them without any fear. There are also clones if you're in a medical or legal state, and I can see more Colombian available as clones there recently, so you could also go that way I suppose :tokin:
 
Yes! This is what I like to hear! I have seeds from a couple of those companies and I like to hear positive reviews, especially from someone such as cordadino. I hope these companies are doing a good job at keeping pure seed stock and keeping them healthy also.

But what does it matter? Wont the strains' genetics change eventually? Do they repeatedly breed single female mother strain with a single "mother" male ....or does it just come from breeders' experience--- picking a proper "stallion" for the mare? In the case of the stallion, wouldn't there be some kind of unavoidable dilution eventually?

Malawi from ACE. Just a few weeks into flower...
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I love all of your experience and insight. I have been slowly collecting seeds myself, but often wonder what exactly I am getting in the mail when I am buying Landrace seeds from "reputable companies". Is there a go-to source for landrace genetics?

I cannot attest to the reality of what is being sold online or by mail order as "landrace" seeds. Pot seeds all basically look alike. As for genuine landrace seed availability? As a matter of what I have been told in the last year by many growers and medical dispensaries, as well as posts in forums like this one, landrace seeds like I have simply do not exist. Many people do not believe that I have the seeds that I have, because it has been a paradigm that these seeds simply do not exist any more. I am a complete fluke I guess?
 
But what does it matter? Wont the strains' genetics change eventually? Do they repeatedly breed single female mother strain with a single "mother" male ....or does it just come from breeders' experience--- picking a proper "stallion" for the mare? In the case of the stallion, wouldn't there be some kind of unavoidable dilution eventually?

You are correct in that Cannabis plants change rather rapidly due to widely variable genetics. If carful attention is not paid to selecting the best plants for breeding, the viability is lost over time. That is true for hemp fiber plants, hemp seed/oil plants, and psychoactive MJ plants. Even from landrace seeds grown in the same area. In NorCal in their attempts to breed better and more stony pot, they grew sinsemillia and crossed bred sativas with indicas to came up with better strains and the original landraces were lost. No one that I knew self crossed landrace strains to maintain genetics, or even thought about that.

In Mexico, after Emperor Nixon intensified DEA intervention and initiated Paraquat spraying of large open pot fields, many farmers were forced to bail out of growing weed altogether. Many local MJ landraces went with them. A similar thing happened when NAFTA forced Mexican corn farmers out of business. Others were forced to grow different and better crosses (with ruderalis and indica) in smaller spaces to get higher quality weed (sinsemillia), and avoid detection by the DEA. They also moved to other grow areas, like Morelos. In this process they also lost much of their own original landrace genetics.

That is why I say that my seed collection is a snap shot of landrace genetics in place and time, the 1970s and early 1980s. These seeds were the result of being crossed long before the 1970s and dragged to central and South America from wherever many eons ago. They existed as a group of genetics after farmers had selected and crossed earlier breeds to produce with particular traits by region. They changed over time, as Cannabis does, locally and abroad wherever they were and are planted. So to answer your question of why does it matter, the reason is genetics. Once you cross a plant, genes are lost in the process. In the case of Cannabis each parent only provides half their genes in the mating process. The other half is lost. The more variable the cross, the more varied the offspring. It is a one way process. This is why seed banks are important and being able to preserve genes and keep them from being lost or 'polluted'. You can go back to the original strains to get specific genes for whatever you want as better quality. I am crossing early flowering landrace Mexican sativas with indica heirlooms from NorCal, for example. I want a clear minded sativa style high with an indica kick to it, from an early maturing smaller stature plant. It is counter-entropic, this process, and nature (as you suggest) tends to run the opposite way (losing species traits over time).
 
I cannot attest to the reality of what is being sold online or by mail order as "landrace" seeds. Pot seeds all basically look alike. As for genuine landrace seed availability? As a matter of what I have been told in the last year by many growers and medical dispensaries, as well as posts in forums like this one, landrace seeds like I have simply do not exist. Many people do not believe that I have the seeds that I have, because it has been a paradigm that these seeds simply do not exist any more. I am a complete fluke I guess?

I'd say most of the 60s/70s landraces do not exist anymore, but some do, and they are available if you have the right connections and enough patience. There are also strains previously unknown or little popularized, and some are as good as the old school shit. Let's take Malawi Gold for example, A+++ sativa that will frighten even very experienced smokers. Still, Thai, Colombian, Nepalese and many Mexican lines are out there, it's just very hard to obtain seeds. I'd put my hands on original Oaxacan Highland for example, but hard to get by :tokin:
 
1100 TC strains? Wow. You put my 38 landrace/heirloom seed collection to shame.

I'd say only 100 of them were taken from seed that weren't my own. A small handful of them are from famous clone only cuts and the large majority are either f1, f2, f3's from breedings I've done that I REALLY liked for one reason or another. So the majority of my keep is of my own making. It's just a brilliant way of essentially keeping mothers in confined spaced and since they are cultures it doesn't impact the amount of plant's I'm allowed to have as a licensed medical patient in Washington.

EDIT: I was hasty in my submission. Yes I concur on the origins of OG Kush being from the south east coast. Typical for it to band over to the south west coast. I love orchids. Growing up with the Daintree rainforest literally as my backyard I was privy to some awe inspiring orchids, hibiscus and wild ginger. It was a great backdrop to inspire a young mind.

In terms of the nasty GMO talk. I too share that same nails on the chalkboard feeling. Hairs on the back of my neck stand up! I felt like I was in the presence of someone void of empathy or any type of emotion in general. Pure hunger!
 
Are you journalling that Malawi, Lazyfish?


I am sorry to say I am not. I have been going to school and working a lot, so not much time for the journals. I do love writing them, so expect a journal with the Malawi and a few other "heirloom"/ "landrace" strains from the internets... "Wild Thai" from World of Seeds is one I am looking forward to, but again, can I trust when they say it is pure?
 
Thanks. I hope you do and I'll keep my eyes open for it. I have some Malawi sprouts going, as well as Thai Stick (also from Ace) unsexed but in flowering room as of yesterday. Have been growing Mama Thai, from Seedsman, for a year or so now. If I grow any of them to some level of perfection, or at least good health someday I'll post some info on this thread about these three supposed landraces. One thing that would keep me from doing so is that my setup is a scrog, so I wouldn't be showing the lovely natural and untrained plant form, but still could give my experience. I used to hang out in Thailand a lot and still plot on getting landrace seeds directly from there someday when I get a chance.
 
I ran Wild Thailand from WOS and it was a total dud. :straightface: I really haven't seen one yet that looked much like a Thai, and no one has raved about theirs.

I'd recommend another choice first. Ace Seeds has a Thai Stick available right now. PotChimp hs been running it and it looks like a genuine Thai. Ace also has a few landrace (maybe more IBL than landrace) Thai and Laos strains they use for breeding and often make available in breeder's packs.
 
Ace actually stopped selling the Thai Stick seeds, as far as I know. When Potchimp's TS plants all turned out to be male, spelling the end for his awesome Thai Stick journal, I emailed Ace and they found some in a back room freezer and sold us a couple packs. They said they had no plans on continuing to sell the strain but may still have some seeds in the back if you ask.
For some reason I don't find 15 weeks to be extremely long. I guess I'm just used to it, and have a perpetual grow so don't worry much about how long they take. There's always something in there getting close to harvest.
 
Yeah I haven't seen that one in their stock but they have Double Thai for sure which is a hybrid of two landrace lines from Thailand so you might also go with that one. In some headshops you can also still find their Vietnam Black x Thai, they have a great VB mother. Not many breeders work with this landrace, there's only Reeferman except them who used it to create Willie Nelson.
 
...Now what about Colchicine..I just heard about using this on weed... I was kinda floored to read about all it does.So are all new super strains (Bomb comes to mind) been contaminated with this stuff? Would Landrace strains also be Pre Colchicine? As tempting as it seems ,It just doesn't sit well with me. Soaking seeds in this stuff and then the first grow could make you sick??? WOW, some Wild stuff out there .Thanks Red
 
I never saw another Thai stick after the war in Vietnam ended in my area. Sad! But I think we really have no idea what was being grown right here around the Americas pre 1935! Or , how much has been lost world wide during the war on drugs. Including in different parts of the USA! What I saw in the 1960's and 1970's was the burnt over remains of pots history in the USA! My father, who graduated high school in 1933, has told me that every alley in North Memphis had pot growing in it when he was a kid! Some of the other old timers told me back in the seventies ,when we talked, that most of our weed was shit weed compared to what they grew back in the 1920's! My Dad also told me that about 1935 they began using thousands of WPA/CCC workers to eradicate pot across the south, where it was endemic at the time. They sprayed diesel oil/weed killer from backpack sprayers, trucks and railroad cars down every roadside, railway, alley and many fields all across the south for many years( of course, a lot of it was just hemp quality). That is also when the propaganda campaign began to reach high gear, steam rolling the rights of the poor! Harsh sentences for possession/sales of pot became common across the south and doing 5 to 10 years in one of the notorious penal farms was common. Often, one did not survive ten years in one of those work farms between the guards beatings, hard work, snakes, mosquitos, and weather! Fear and intimidation took hold and by the 1950's almost total control over society had been achieved by the "Control Freaks" and their goons. As a small child in the 1950's We were taught Marijuana was the root cause of drug addiction, alcoholism, child abuse, rape, murder and most other reprehensible acts! Who is to say now, that some of those pot stains grown pre prohibition, had not been growing here for a hundred years under the expert attention of organic farmers who had carefully selected the best for generations along with their collard greens?. Here in the south, I have been told by the old timers, that women of all classes didn't usually smoke pot (or cigarettes)but it was in widespread use as Tincture of Cannabis (until removed from the pharmacies)of which they would put a few drops in their tea for "women's complaints" especially during their "monthly time". Young people smoked it a bit, but mostly poor laborers, musicians, minorities and other poor persons smoked it(most people in the south were poor!). I had a well known local doctor who told me he smoked it on his farm( he said it grew in "every laborers yard behind the chicken house or in their garden")) with the "help" from time to time once he came back from collage in 1919! My own experience and from my research in the 60's-70's ,Sativa strains of marijuana was what was grown in the old days here (and when I started growing). Most of the imported pot that came in to the Memphis area pre 1967 came from the Caribbean Islands, Honduras and Panama(think Banana/fruit growing areas!). The pot usually was of very good quality according to old guys whose opinions I trusted!( the good doctor, a bunch of good old world war 1 &2 veterans and musicians mostly and one old guy we called Uncle Ben who was a naval veteran of the Spanish American War and WW1) They all talked of the good stuff from Panama and Cuba! Most of the pot came up from New Orleans, Mobile or Biloxi from fishing boats or sailors off merchant ships. A lot of people in certain affluent areas of the country seem to think they began the growing of good marijuana in their area in this country and have some kind of bragging rights for the best pot varieties coming from their area(maybe!). What they know is what they have seen or how little they have seen! I traveled hitching and in old hippy vans all across America in the early seventies and quite a bit more since that time, I have spent time smoking with Indians and other locals in Chiapas, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua way back in 1972-73. I smoked a lot of really good weed with people in all parts of the southern USA, out west in California, and places between like Colorado and New Mexico that was local grown. Good weed is and has been grown all over the North and South American continents, long before I was born. What we have lost in the way of Landrace strains is huge.But what has been wiped from history is even bigger! The years since 1935 have been stripped of truth and knowledge by the control freaks who have focused on persecuting their neighbors for using a mild herbal medicine to self medicate or to relax! In this repressive environment the areas with a large population of more affluent users and more lenient authorities(California) have led in the underground grow movement. That does not necessarily mean they are growing better pot there or than 100 years ago! I am grateful to my brothers in northern California and Hawaii for their contributions to underground growing, propagating excellent varieties, leading the way in legalization efforts and the spreading of knowledge about marijuana! Now with the lenient pot enforcement in some areas, limited legalization in several states and the wide availability of both seeds and knowledge over the internet, more of us will be bold enough to grow our own and experiment with strains/techniques. However in my part of this nation we are still under heavy handed governmental abuse of our civil rights and surely it will be quite a while before much is changed. Maybe we are still being punished for the civil war by Washington. Both the feds and local police are still very active in seeking out even the smallest amounts in tiny garden or closet grows and seeking the maximum in punishment! Helicoptors and planes using special cameras, fly grid patterns over almost every foot of Tennessee each summer. They also use infrared detection equipment looking for suspicious hot spots in our homes and barns. They have talks with utility workers, social workers and others training them to look for or smell pot in and around the homes they may be working at/near.They ask elementary school children to report if any member of their family is using marijuana (so they can help them!) They often confiscate the homes.cars and money from families found growing a small amount of marijuana (just a few pounds). They remove the children from their parents and make them foster children or use them as pawns to control the parents. It is a lot more dangerous to take the risk of growing even one plant here than a hundred in some areas! I had a friend back a few years ago who grew 3 plants in his mothers garden area and was busted. He served over two years, his mother served over 3 years and had never smoked in her life and did not know what it was he was growing in her garden. Despite her son trying to take the blame she was tried as the primary responsible felon. She was almost 60 years old at the time and in poor health. She lost her home as well. I stopped clandestine outside grows here way back in the early 1980's because of the intense aerial and other scrutiny of the authorities! They have shown up at friends houses who had one or two plants growing near their house in a rural area that was fairly well concealed and not too large! A neighbor less than a 1/2 mile from me was busted last year when a power crew smelled pot while working restoring power after a storm at their neighbors house. He and his wife had a closet grow and were exhausting it unfiltered out of a vent under the house eaves apparently. Their children were taken by the state and they are currently serving time. At any rate, it is easy to see why all the pre war on drugs strains of domestic pot disappeared from here! Often, when we think we invented something it is probably just vanity coming out. It is fairly natural to think our school , our team, or our intelligence is better than everybody else's, but when it comes down to reality it is doubtful to me that any pot available from anywhere is any better than what may of been available 100 years ago if it was habitated by smokers and grown there then. Undoubtedly, some very good stuff comes fairly reliably from some areas and there are/was areas that had particularly good strains, but nowadays those strains are becoming widely available to us everywhere and then the local husbandry begins. Excellent hybrids will continue to be found with this diversity available for us to work with. They are coming from all over the world, Halleluja! I sure would like to find some seeds of the old Landrace varieties I smoked in Chiapas, Mexico or the Thai Sticks we used to get from back in the Vietnam War days! Forgive me for rambling so, but I thought a little history of Pot from my part of the country might be interesting to some.
 
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