NPK in vermi? What soil NPK is needed?

[Pondwater]

Got 2 worm castings. And the npk score are as follows.
Thisone is a local guy
"Our worms are grown in a composted bark bedding with an addition of 20% shredded wood fibres. They are fed twice a week on a bran meal with a protein of approximately 16%. They break the bark medium and feed down over a four to six week cycle."
Determinand Value Units Determinand Value Units
pH 6.5 Cond. at 20 C 243 uS/cm
Density 456 kg/m3
Ammonia-N 22.5 mg/l
Dry Matter 25.1 %
Nitrate-N 0.8 mg/l
Dry Density 114.5 kg/m3
Total Soluble N 23.3 mg/l
Chloride 81.7 mg/l
Sulphate 7.6 mg/l
Phosphorus 156.6 mg/l
Boron 0.15 mg/l
Potassium 170.8 mg/l
Copper 0.02 mg/l
Magnesium 8.6 mg/l
Manganese <0.01 mg/l
Calcium 10.3 mg/l
Zinc 0.08 mg/l
Sodium 24.2 mg/l
Iron 0.26

And i have another whos is

Tiger Worms digesting horse manure and vegetable matter.
Ingredients: Biohumus 100%

Nutrients (mg/kg): Nutrients (N) 11422, Phosphorus (P) 8258, Potassium (K) 7173

Micro-elements: Fe, Ca, Mn. Mg, Zn, Cu, B. pH 6.5-8; moisture 45-55%

@DankFrank from icmah makes a recipie and pulls like a bitch prob bihhest yields i seen livingsoils and said his
NPK profile of 740-1110-945 on his soil.
He changed amendments to hit this exactly
So id say its pretty good info hes like wiki science

Is this worm cast exceeding his npk? Does thst mean i dont need amendments?
Im sure i do like.. But the numbers?

Which cast would you use and why.
Or a mix?

Would i still need my poultry compost to mix with this for nutrients? Or similar? Or is the cast more thsn enough?

 

[DeanWest89]

I would suggest purchasing the book true living organics by the rev so you can understand the reason for everything in a living soil.

 

[Pondwater]

I would suggest purchasing the book true living organics by the rev so you can understand the reason for everything in a living soil.

Noted and ofc i will do..
But i stil am curious ofc as am starting my grow niw and the book gona take a while to read.

Thr npks mean somthing ofc thays why there there. Somany do tests and add accordingly with advicr off forums.
Thesr already have tests and i have thrm. So just want to be sure they got whats needed

 

[Pondwater]

Ok baught it £16 didnt have much in it. Its ok. Its good but most what i read here.

He has a nice recipie for vermicompost but no insight to npks of thrm or which is best.
Or what they mran. And doesnt tslk sbout npks of soils

 

[DeanWest89]

The npk of soils ? By doing simple math , you can add up npk value of all amendments added , did you actually read it front to back because it explains everything and why , but it also says if you don’t understand the fundamentals of growing the basics , he suggests a book in it . You have the loose the thought of pour the nutrients on and feed the plant , your feeding the microbeasties in your soil which in turn feeds your plant.
All soil must be cooked prior to use .
I mixed a 5 gal tester batch 4 days ago started @ 21 degrees Celsius , yesterday it hit 35degrees there is a lot going on in there.
My soil is also 4 years old at this point , every scoop you will almost gurentee to get a red wiggler it .
But read it again slower , there’s no Rush here , if you rush in not understanding everything things can go south bad , I’ve been there
But it’s not all about npk values growing tlo
But like I said you can do the math , when you purchase everything the suppler with have npk values on all products

 

[DeanWest89]

The npk of soils ? By doing simple math , you can add up npk value of all amendments added , did you actually read it front to back because it explains everything and why , but it also says if you don’t understand the fundamentals of growing the basics , he suggests a book in it . You have the loose the thought of pour the nutrients on and feed the plant , your feeding the microbeasties in your soil which in turn feeds your plant.
All soil must be cooked prior to use .
I mixed a 5 gal tester batch 4 days ago started @ 21 degrees Celsius , yesterday it hit 35degrees there is a lot going on in there.
My soil is also 4 years old at this point , every scoop you will almost gurentee to get a red wiggler it .
But read it again slower , there’s no Rush here , if you rush in not understanding everything things can go south bad , I’ve been there
But it’s not all about npk values growing tlo
But like I said you can do the math , when you purchase everything the suppler with have npk values on all products

Remember if your not using pure water 50 ppm and less , after all that time and effort you will fail , I’ve been there . I lost my whole grow because I used tap water with high mineral salts , around 350 ppm so again from me rushing to grow I in turn lost all genetics all soil involved was garbage and I had to start again so if your going to put all this time and effort in . Distilled or reverse osmosis water , you may get lucky and have very low ppm water from the tap , but send a sample away for free to your local municipality and get it tester before use . Someone you can look up and follow who is a guru on tlo and started me on the right patch is @Emilya , I highly suggest looking at her tutorials and journals top notch, he end product speaks for itself .

 

[DeanWest89]

They will have excatly what they need to thrive if you follow the revs supernatural mix 2.2 , now if your growing in big pots 5gal + you can get away without having to using spikes , but I highly recommend trying it out to the T if you want to start tlo style growing . I have been composting and worm farming since day 1 , you will definatly need good quality worm castings even if it’s small amounts the life in it is far greater then anything you will purchase. I still have to purchase some but I cut it with mine .
But once you do a couple grows and begin to understand things you can change things up ; just remember small changes only change 1 thing at a time , and things happen in 14 day cycles in organics it takes time for things to be processed to become available to the plant. I’m on the 3rd time reading the book and I am still picking up on things I miss or didn’t understand as well as I thought I did, after talking to some other tlo growers.

 

[Pondwater]

Thanks bro. Doin coots mix tho its ainr hot.
Coot said u can do his mix and do shit u wont do like him or any 1 els
Its based off the worm cast first time
Worm cast crap grow crap...

Im asking sbout the npkbin the castings i found alot of people made cast very fast and fed it crap.

I found these 2 and both display totsly diffetent npks.

Now if its based off the castingnthe npk on them does matter.

If i know the npk there at i know where is high or low. And can adjust

Nothin to do with me addies ivknow am feeding microherds.
I know about cooking. Ty for the info never hurts to re read.

But i simplay ak lookin to see if tyese 2 diverse npks in these casting are good in range of perfection or if needed amending.
Once i work thst i csn seenif i need to add

 

[bobrown14]

Where are these NPK readings coming from?

Generally worm castings I dont worry about. The NPK of worm castings is going to be like 1 or less that 1 for all 3 NPK. Its not used as an amendment for nutrients per se.

We use the worm castings in Coots mix for bacteria and micro-nutrients not macro.

BUT - you can make an EWC/kelp meal slurry or tea as a fix if you have a plant problem. Rare tho with this mix.

That bacteria works on the soil organic matter in your soil and breaks it down for the plants roots to uptake.

If you look at Coots mix he doesn't use 100% EWC as part of his humus portion

1/3 humus - (can sub some of the compost or humus for EWC but not all).
1/3 peat - (can change out some of the peat for leaf mold)
1/3 aeration - rice hulls or pumice or perlite or a mix.

 

[Nunyabiz]

I have worms in my pots continously supply fresh worm castings daily.

 

[Pondwater]

Where are these NPK readings coming from?

Generally worm castings I dont worry about. The NPK of worm castings is going to be like 1 or less that 1 for all 3 NPK. Its not used as an amendment for nutrients per se.

We use the worm castings in Coots mix for bacteria and micro-nutrients not macro.

BUT - you can make an EWC/kelp meal slurry or tea as a fix if you have a plant problem. Rare tho with this mix.

That bacteria works on the soil organic matter in your soil and breaks it down for the plants roots to uptake.

If you look at Coots mix he doesn't use 100% EWC as part of his humus portion

1/3 humus - (can sub some of the compost or humus for EWC but not all).
1/3 peat - (can change out some of the peat for leaf mold)
1/3 aeration - rice hulls or pumice or perlite or a mix.

Ive bin told numerous times and coots vids say too. Ur grow will only be asgood as ur castings.
Coot feeds the kelp neem basalt to his worms and said all nutrients are broken down in worm castings everything u add from potash to potato skins. Its ehat makes the grow and is why people copy his recipie and do not habe same results..because his castings are loaded with npk for the whole grow.
The worm castbon the first till is everything. They say u will level by till 2 because worms broke down the amendment u added in ratio coot did. So should start to get better.

But uf u can gwt quality castings and what tou feed them totaly matters or ypu could just use any castings

These npks are from the casting companiea they all state them or u contact them they sent me them.
Ive asked them all bro.

Ones feeding only potatoe is totaly diffetent npk to one i found feeding wide range of foods.
It changes evwrything


Crap cast crap fed wil grow crap
A well fed cast will deliver you from all evil a gos blessed tree.

Trust bro get 3 casts plant 3 plants and see the difference its unbeliveable

 

[Pondwater]

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Invaluable composting info/routine from Clackamas Coot.
"This is the compost that I started with
1 c.y. organic barley straw 12 lbs. basalt rock dust 2 c.f. roughly chopped Comfrey as the Nitrogen source 5 c.f. pumice (1/4" size)
When the material ramped back down to 100F or so I added the following:
3 lbs. kelp meal 3 lbs. a neem / karanja meal mix that I had made because I was bored - obviously 1 lb. organic alfalfa meal 1 c.f. roughly chopped Comfrey leaves 1 c.f. roughly chopped mint mix - Peppermint, Spearmint, Thyme, Cilantro, Holy Basil (Tulsi) and chopped Rosemary 3 lbs. organic fish meal 3 lbs. crustacean meal
I loaded this into #150 SmartPot and dumped about 3 gallons of worms that I harvested from other set-ups also using SmartPots. Basically 3 gallons is somewhere around 10 - 11 lbs. of worms. I covered this with barley straw to reduce evaporation in the bedding material.
A year later I harvested over 28 lbs. of worms, thousands and thousands of cocoons (using a 1/8" screen which will capture the cocoons) and this specific batch of vermicompost is what I'm currently using.
It's all about patience - it takes time to create premium humus.
Dat's it!
CC"
Then just mix it up as such:
1/3 Humus 1/3 SPM or Leaf Mold 1/3 Aeration (Rice hulls/Pumice/Lava Rock)
A bit of time and effort is required at the front end for sure. After that's done, just add water

note no amendments....its in the castings..... the coot rwcipie is just for people like us who dont have thw castings. The ammendments wont bw avalible till 2 months of worms eating them.

ur pla ta dont eat amendments worms do their poo feeds the plants man


Just recently I came up on a gem of an interview with Clackamas and here is his current mix. I also included the way to feed this mix because it's unique in the fact that we're targeting enzymes in our feeds. Coots is also getting upset about his method not being used properly and people messaging him saying the mix sucks. The mix is awesome if you know how to drive it.

Reasons people fail this method

• Poor humus source (humus is a term thrown loosely in the compost world. Humus is pure carbon. Mature compost will stain your hands black if you squeeze it.
• Container too small (a 15g or larger will ensure a smooth grow if you follow the schedule. 10g works but it's a struggle.)
• Cutting corners on the feed schedule (all these inputs have their place and must be used to keep the system healthy.)

I start by lining the bottom 1.5" of my containers with flowerock volcanic rock for better aeration and leached nutrients get captured here and are not lost. In deeper pots like grassroots I go with 2" of rock. I recommend flowerock brand because companies like vigoro mix dyed granite and ive even heard of skeletons of coral because it has tiny dimples but we want pores not dimples. I've explained quality lava rock should have pores going all throughout.

Quality lava rock
This sounds gross to some but if you've ever wrangled worms from an old bed with Springtails biting you and jumping in your face its a cakewalk. This is how I check quality. Take a larger piece and wash all the dust off then try to blow into the rock...i know sounds funny...but you should be able to freely blow into the rock and notice it coming out of all sides of the rock via pores created while the magma cools and carbon seperates, steam is released, etc.

Base soil mix
11
PREMIUM worm castings (this is important)
Canadian SPAGNUM peat moss
Pumice 1/8-3/8 (flowerock works with help from a sledge hammer)

 

[Nunyabiz]

My worms are fed.

1. Thorvin Premium Kelp Meal
2. Karanja Cake - Terviva
3. Alfalfa Meal
4. CalPhos
5. Camelina Meal
6. Crustacean Meal
7. Fish Meal
8. Fish Bone Meal
9. Soybean Meal
10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
11. Organic Malted Barley
12. Premium Calcium Montmorillonite
13. Micronized Basalt - Blue Ridge Meta
14. Gypsum
15. Oyster Flour
16. Organic Banana peel
17. Avocado skins
18. Chopped up cover crop (Green manure)

 

[Pondwater]

My worms are fed.

1. Thorvin Premium Kelp Meal
2. Karanja Cake - Terviva
3. Alfalfa Meal
4. CalPhos
5. Camelina Meal
6. Crustacean Meal
7. Fish Meal
8. Fish Bone Meal
9. Soybean Meal
10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
11. Organic Malted Barley
12. Premium Calcium Montmorillonite
13. Micronized Basalt - Blue Ridge Meta
14. Gypsum
15. Oyster Flour
16. Organic Banana peel
17. Avocado skins
18. Chopped up cover crop (Green manure)

U have the gold bro ur on the right page id love to see ur npk cast damn gimi that sexy shit now any porn to show?

 

[Nunyabiz]

U have the gold bro ur on the right page id love to see ur npk cast damn gimi that sexy shit now any porn to show?

The rove beetles also seem to enjoy all the same, they help break it all down with the worms.

 

[Pondwater]

The rove beetles also seem to enjoy all the same, they help break it all down with the worms.

Chittin too..my gods coot wud be proud haha

Look atbit heave lol haha months agobida run a mile .
I started lookin at this then i sawe lacewing on my dripper i killed it in panic looked it up. And felt so bad . The spring tail too i tryed to rid them...then i i learnt.....now i feed em

Thistime full organics inc.
Even sewing my fabric pot like grassroots lol

 

[bobrown14]

My worms are fed.

1. Thorvin Premium Kelp Meal
2. Karanja Cake - Terviva
3. Alfalfa Meal
4. CalPhos
5. Camelina Meal
6. Crustacean Meal
7. Fish Meal
8. Fish Bone Meal
9. Soybean Meal
10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
11. Organic Malted Barley
12. Premium Calcium Montmorillonite
13. Micronized Basalt - Blue Ridge Meta
14. Gypsum
15. Oyster Flour
16. Organic Banana peel
17. Avocado skins
18. Chopped up cover crop (Green manure)

Avacado skins?? They never broke down for me. Whats your secret??


Edit: Comfrey? Its huge!

 

[Nunyabiz]

Avacado skins?? They never broke down for me. Whats your secret??


Edit: Comfrey? Its huge!

Actually its mostly the avocado scrapings left on the skin but its the skin they love to have a worm orgy under and create little worms.
I remove the skin when its totally spent.
Comfrey is good, I might try to get some seeds and plant some way out in the woods near my house so I can use it in compost and for worm food

 

[Pondwater]

Actually its mostly the avocado scrapings left on the skin but its the skin they love to have a worm orgy under and create little worms.
I remove the skin when its totally spent.
Comfrey is good, I might try to get some seeds and plant some way out in the woods near my house so I can use it in compost and for worm food

Invasive stuff that. U can chop the root into slices and it will grow.
If u find some rip it outbthw garden lol they cant tell u off forbmakong it biggerv.

As u rip 50root u make 50 babys takes over fast but good stuff too nuts plant

 

[Nunyabiz]

Invasive stuff that. U can chop the root into slices and it will grow.
If u find some rip it outbthw garden lol they cant tell u off forbmakong it biggerv.

As u rip 50root u make 50 babys takes over fast but good stuff too nuts plant

Thats why I want it way out in the woods nowhere near the house.