Colorado's Legalized Pot Has U.S. Governors Curious

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Colorado Democrat John Hickenlooper has a firm answer to other U.S. governors asking him about marijuana as source of revenue: Just say no. Hickenlooper said yesterday that about a half-dozen called or asked him at this weekend's National Governors Association meeting in Washington about his state's experience legalizing recreational pot. They want to know about the potential to collect money and avoid the costs of enforcement and incarceration, he said.

Colorado projected last week that sales would generate more than $100 million a year toward a general fund of about $9 billion. But Hickenlooper, who opposed legalizing marijuana, said he's telling fellow governors that he's not counting on it to lower other taxes or for spending -- and that they shouldn't, either. "It's not a panacea," Hickenlooper, 62, said in an interview. "It's not going to solve your revenue problems."

The movement to bring pot out of the shadows and onto the tax rolls reflects its steady presence in U.S. life. Thirty-eight percent of Americans acknowledge having tried marijuana, compared with 33 percent in 1985, according to a Gallup poll conducted in July. With its widespread familiarity, and with prisons and jails strained by large populations of nonviolent criminals, above-board pot presents possibilities.

New Attraction
Colorado's numbers "opened a lot of eyes," Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee, a Democrat, said in an interview. He said Colorado's fiscal forecast fostered a discussion about whether to "regulate it and tax it in these tough times." Chafee, who previously served as a Republican U.S. senator, said the ill effects of the long-running fight against drugs should hasten discussion about new approaches worldwide. He said legalization measures have been proposed in Rhode Island and didn't rule out signing one.

"We'll see how these bills come out of the legislature," he said. Colorado and Washington became the first two states to legalize recreational pot use after voters approved it in 2012. Sales in Colorado started Jan. 1 for those 21 and older, and Washington retailers are expected to start this year. Hickenlooper didn't identify which governors approached him, and most who were asked about whether their state would be inclined to follow Colorado's lead said no.

Watching, Waiting
"I don't think that's going to happen in Kentucky any time soon," said Governor Steven Beshear, a two-term Democrat. He said while there has been discussion about medical marijuana, more research is needed. "I don't see any groundswell of support for legalizing and therefore taxing," Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy, a Democrat, said in an interview.

North Dakota Governor Jack Dalrymple, a Republican, said he didn't foresee legalization soon. "Everybody is watching to see how it settles out in Colorado," he said. "But you never know." Maryland also has had legalization bills introduced. Governor Martin O'Malley, a Democrat and potential presidential candidate in 2016, said he was opposed, saying it could keep residents from receiving federal jobs, a pillar of the state's economy. "I don't think this would be a good issue for us to be a laboratory of democracy on," he said. "I don't believe we should be a state that's experimenting on this one."

No Crime
Fifteen states, including California and Connecticut, have already lifted criminal penalties for possession of small amounts of the drug, according to the Washington-based National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, which advocates legalization. Possession and sale remain illegal under federal law. In August, the U.S. Justice Department said it wouldn't challenge the Washington state and Colorado measures, saying it would focus federal prosecutions on organized crime, distribution to minors and transportation across state lines.

In an interview with the New Yorker magazine published last month, President Barack Obama, who has acknowledged smoking pot in his youth -- his Hawaii friends called themselves the Choom Gang -- said it was important that the legalization be allowed to proceed in Colorado and Washington. Advocates are pushing for legalization through legislatures or ballot campaigns in at least a dozen states, including Alaska, Oregon, and California, over the next three years, according to the Marijuana Policy Project, which is backing the change.

Hickenlooper said legalization is "one of the great social experiments of the 21st century" and a response to a failed "war on drugs." Still, the governor said it makes him nervous to have government promoting vices such as gambling and drugs. "I urge caution," Hickenlooper said. "The jury is out on this."

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I don't understand how ANY reasonable legislator could tell others, "No" when their state is going to be generating ANY revenue, especially if they're even CLOSE to the $100mil in taxes received.


Anyone else think this guy maybe high himself and not really understand what he's saying?? In these hard times, I'd think any source of revenue that hasn't spurned crime or public health crises should be thoroughly investigated and introduced! There's too much "old-school," thinking with regards to this, and it's really about time we start thinking a little more progressively...
 
What we have here is a governor (H-looper) who is a natural politician, and as such does not wish to alienate any of his current (or, future) constituency.

Hence, his 'fence-straddling' on the issue of #MedMj for both recreational, and medicinal benefits.

He stresses caution, yet his state is going full-bore through the 77 year old Federal prohibition against Cannabis with the tacit blessing of the executive branch of the United States.

There are only two years left on Mr O'bama's tenure as Commander in Chief.

Will the new president be as lenient on Coloradans as President O'bama has been in allowing the states of Colorado (and, soon the state of Washington) to move forward with recreational Cannabis sales even though the FDA still has Cannabis listed as a Schedule 1 scourge?

Strike when the iron is hot!

More political pressure by Democratic 'chickens' such as H-Looper is needed to push the president and the judicial branch into rescheduling Cannabis at the very least prior to Mr O'bama's exit from the White House in January of 2017.

Or, else the country will revert back to the old ways of 'Drug War' that have plagued our society and families for the past 77 years.

Robert Hempaz, PhD Trichometry
 
Ah he is one off those old stiff necked hard headed older farts who probably where too chicken back in his day to try weed. So he believes all those lies that have been told for all those years since the 1930's about good old Mary Jane. I smoked weed in my teens in the 70's. I knew all the stuff they said about it was lies. My favorite high was alcohol at that time. Weed made me sleepy. Which is what I need now. Back then I did not like it. Sleeping with whole body pain is hard to do. Along comes MMJ and good night. But as for it making you useless. That is bull crap. Everyone thanks those that do weed are low lifes. I know of rich people who have been doing it their whole lives and never been busted. They have successful careers and are not listless bums like they try to paint the picture all weed participants are. For that matter George Washington's main crop was Indian Hemp, weed. He probably smoked it himself. I'm sure the Indians taught him all about this plant. My Dad was like this governor. He never tried weed and he believed all the lies Hearst and DuPont and our own Government spewed about Mary Jane.
 
They make choices, not on the base of evidence but on some personal prejudice, their mind need to evolve - but that won't happen soon.
 
Hickenlooper said legalization is “one of the great social experiments of the 21st century” and a response to a failed “war on drugs.” Still, the governor said it makes him nervous to have government promoting vices such as gambling and drugs. “I urge caution,” Hickenlooper said. “The jury is out on this.”

OK, my take is "H" has always been opposed to mmj. The voters decided to amend our state constitution to legalize cannabis even though the "H" man lobbied hard against it. What I find very funny is the line: "...it makes him nervous to have government promoting vices such as gambling and drugs." Notice that he never mentions alcohol. It couldn't possibly be that "H" owns a brewery could it? "H" doesn't want other governors to go pro legal? Well duh, "H" wants to sell them all as much beer as he can before they finally go legal cannabis. Drug use is down, traffic accidents are down, just how is it negatively impacting our state exactly is what I want to know. It has been totally legal for use for over a year now. It was just the retail stores that just opened on Jan 1. We have been using it for a long time now with no negative repercussions. I have been giving it away to a lot of people to enjoy. I have been able to legally bless people with cannabis for over a year now. I can not sell it but I can give it away, and I have been giving it to family and friends for over a year. We all have jobs, vote, pay taxes, no arrests, no traffic tickets, and are just some really nice people. We need someone to speak the truth here. Just some thoughts from a long time resident of CO.
 
I have been able to legally bless people with cannabis for over a year now. I can not sell it but I can give it away, and I have been giving it to family and friends for over a year. We all have jobs, vote, pay taxes, no arrests, no traffic tickets, and are just some really nice people. We need someone to speak the truth here. Just some thoughts from a long time resident of CO.

Colorado Kid, I like how you put this. I know professional business people who use the MMJ and it has not affected their work in any way.


The problem is that everyone opposed to MMJ do have a conflict of interests. Greed is how it got made illegal illegally in the first place. It's crash in Society was started by Hearst and DuPont in the 1930's. The same exact reason this "H" guy has a conflict of interest but they committed perjury getting their Marijuana Tax Law passed and they did it in secrecy instead of the proper channels for making laws.


Everyone I know who uses weed are interesting people, until they get high and get stupid. Then we just giggle at everything and zone in and out and notice things we never noticed before. We can still think but it is interestingly strange and dramatic thoughts. Sometimes it is totally mind expanding thoughts. Every time is different depending on the weed. I noticed it helps me to play the guitar more creatively of late. I really like that.


Do not try to drive stoned! Not unless you only want to travel 5 miles per hour. I tested it and zoned out during my test drive. When I came out of the zone I was not where I was when I went into it. I could not at first recognize where I was so I was totally disoriented. I guess that is what it feels like to have dementia? Scary feeling. Don't drive stoned everybody. I don't after that experiment.


But the ones who demonized MJ was the government in partnership with those greedy bastards out there who all had a conflict of interests with the MJ industries that where growing at that time. Those very same greedy bastards are still out there trying to control MJ in other ways.


They will make it illegal for anyone but some large corporation to grow, make or produce the end product and distribute it. So basically even if you have seeds you will not legally be allowed to grow your own when they get finished tweaking the laws.


They still will be in control. They will make it so you do not get the medicinal affects you get now also from this plant. When they get done tweaking it genetically it will not even be the same product we know now. This is what we have to look forward too. Unless we nip it in the bud now. (Pun intended)

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HawkNo1, I am completely against driving stoned. I believe that most of us know when we are to high to drive and simply don't do it. If I am to high to drive I ride my bicycle up to the hamburger "joint" (dum pun). As far as getting stoned goes, I don't do much of that anymore. I just do a puff or two and get a tiny buzz and call it good. I don't go for the "holy shit where am I" anymore. I mostly medicate before bed so I can get a peaceful nights rest without pain or nightmares. :peace: :Namaste:
 
Great 'takes' ALL ! It really all boils down to $$$. Sometimes I think all this is a set-up to fail Bro !! See we told you !!! But yet, cigs, booze, are legal simply because it ends back up to the big pharmies pushing their wares. I'm on the same page for toking Brother. All medical now and its so much more enjoyable. End of the day for me when my 'treat' arrives...lol.

Kid your a good man Brother ! I like your way of thinking. :Namaste:

ps...Sure is hard for the Gov. to play all sides of the fence :)
 
Motoco my friend, one day when the war is over we will have to meet for a beer and burn one for old times sake. It would be a pleasure to do that with you and a few of the others here. :peace: :Namaste:

Be my honor Brother! :high-five:
 
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